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Wow. That's pretty stunning.

Though it seems that the pathologist did actually say what she's quoted as saying-- --just that she thought it was off the record and was either misled or straight up lied to.

Either way, pretty unprofessional conduct for the P-D with an issue this volatile.

wustl_eng wrote:Wow. That's pretty stunning.

Though it seems that the pathologist did actually say what she's quoted as saying-- --just that she thought it was off the record and was either misled or straight up lied to.

Either way, pretty unprofessional conduct for the P-D with an issue this volatile.

So, this information should be kept from the public?

What? No, that's an odd reading comprehension fail... It's about journalistic ethics and the pathologist saying the reporter misrepresented what she said. Though as I looked more into it, it seems that the pathologist was indeed quoted accurately and went into damage control mode because of the blowback she was getting. However, as she said--"I told her not to quote me - but that I would send her quotes she could use in an e mail."--it still seems that P-D reporter was on some bullsh*t. A misunderstanding either way.

Can someone please explain the protests in Shaw? Even fleeing, after shooting at a cop, isn't he justified if every last shot was in the back, which it wasn't?
As for Darren Wilson, Michael Brown, everyone should have and still should wait for the investigation to be complete. Sadly, everyone, me included got on the bandwagon before hearing all the evidence. And that doesn't mean that what comes out is "manufactured" to justify DW's defense or side either.
The biggest "change" that should come out of this better be the consolidation of these tiny towns and their harassment of residents, more often then not, black Americans. This absolutely needs to happen.

McGraw Millhaven posted an interesting question on TWTR this weekend. It was after the two toddlers in NSTL had been shot by a drive-by. Paraphrasing, he asked that if "black lives matter!", which is common signage seen at the Ferguson protests, then why aren't there protests, outrage, venom, etc. regarding this shooting?

Thankfully, the two toddlers should survive

sirshankalot wrote:McGraw Millhaven posted an interesting question on TWTR this weekend. It was after the two toddlers in NSTL had been shot by a drive-by. Paraphrasing, he asked that if "black lives matter!", which is common signage seen at the Ferguson protests, then why aren't there protests, outrage, venom, etc. regarding this shooting?

Thankfully, the two toddlers should survive

Good for Mr. Millhaven, as he has been one of the more sane, responsible voices on this matter in my opinion.

I have wondered this ever since I first saw the 'Black Lives Matter' signs and chants. It's ridiculous in so many ways that I don't even know where to begin. ALL lives matter. Unfortunately, over 100 lives, mostly African-American, have been taken much too soon in the City of St. Louis during the first nine months of 2014. I understand the reasons people protest against police as there is an institution to 'rage against', but things in this community would be a lot different if 'Black Lives Matter(ed)'.

Black lives Matter and Stop Killing Us signs are amusing to me. Most of the people doing the killing of black people are black. and Most of the people killed by cops are white, 60%.....

Also, some weekend reading I came across was Charles Barkley chiming in:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/showbiz/c ... index.html

I don't really have time/desire to address the comments above but I think they're missing the point... hopefully someone else'll make an intelligent counterargument

But on another note, what the hell is going on in Wells-Goodfellow this past year? Massive, perpetual turf war(s)? And there's a really bizarre pattern or coincidence going on here:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/mother--ye ... 53307.html From 9/27 - woman and 4 year old son shot on 5900 block of Kennerly

http://www.stltoday.com/news/child-shot ... 35bd0.html From yesterday - 4 year old boy shot on 5900 block of KENNERLY

What? It doesn't even make sense to me. And I don't think it's a typo or error either. A testament to how messed up the neighborhood currently is, I guess.

sirshankalot wrote:Also, some weekend reading I came across was Charles Barkley chiming in:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/showbiz/c ... index.html

Here's a pretty enlightening article on the history of black people saying stuff like Charles Barkley did: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ks/382022/

Greatest St. Louis wrote:Most black on black violent crime comes as a result of gang violence or armed robbery or drug violence. These are crimes of desperation borne of poverty. Poverty is borne of a national legacy and history of slavery, Jim Crow, white flight, redlining, Voter ID, etc.

Is it really that hard for some of you to understand the difference between a poor black person being murdered by another poor black person, and a poor black person being murdered by an agent of the state from south city or St. Charles or Lincoln County?

Spare me the condescension. Of course there is an unfortunately long history of discrimination in our country, but there are plenty of poor people of all races and backgrounds who realize that crime doesn't pay and murder is always wrong.

I am concerned about police brutality, racial profiling, and the effect that long-term discrimination has on our community and our society as well. I simply disagree with the ways in which some people have addressed these concerns lately.

This is not my forte however I'm going to attempt to make a clean comment.I for one believe all lives matter not just black lives. You can be Asian Russian Canadian Mexican Chilean Nairobi etc. Every life matters whether you're poor have an illness disabled wealthy transgendered dealing with depression so on. I think whats appalling to me is these signs that protesters are holding up saying black lives matter however you have in unfortunate circumstances people who don't care about anyone and not even themselves murdering each other as all of this is going on like nothing significant ever happened. How many people have been slain in city since this whole thing started? I'm one to believe in my own personal experience and opinion that the past is the past the more we bring it up not saying that its not important the more we live the past. We become a city a nation thats polarized thats unable to move forward. People today have nothing to do with people of yester years. I also believe all people are guilty of racism whether you admit or not you been a victim or instigator. I remember my granny always telling me that our ancestors who were once slaves in turn gave us freedom to live life as freely as possible don't ever let anyone tell you differently your sky goes as far as my sweet apple pie and to me that was pretty far. Those were her exact words. She was a strong confident women who fought not only for her own freedom but for all of our freedom today.
Finally life is what we all make of it and if we all are going to live our lives through the past then we are doomed for failure. I know the term we can forgive but never forget however if we can all find peace within ourselves to live life of happiness then the skies the limit. What I'm saying is that every living creature on this planet lifes matter.

threeonefour wrote: there are plenty of poor people of all races and backgrounds who realize that crime doesn't pay and murder is always wrong.

Right, but my point that you apparently missed is that it disproportionately affects American blacks because those other "poor people of all races and backgrounds" have not been subject to the policies of slavery, Jim Crow, white flight, redlining, racial profiling etc. that blacks have been (and are to this day).

That's why I have an issue with people throwing out the comically oversimplified red herring that "black on black violence is statistically more prevalent than white on black violence."

Greatest St. Louis wrote:

RedOctober wrote:This is not my forte however I'm going to attempt to make a clean comment.I for one believe all lives matter not just black lives. You can be Asian Russian Canadian Mexican Chilean Nairobi etc. Every life matters whether you're poor have an illness disabled wealthy transgendered dealing with depression so on. I think whats appalling to me is these signs that protesters are holding up saying black lives matter however you have in unfortunate circumstances people who don't care about anyone and not even themselves murdering each other as all of this is going on like nothing significant ever happened. How many people have been slain in city since this whole thing started? I'm one to believe in my own personal experience and opinion that the past is the past the more we bring it up not saying that its not important the more we live the past. We become a city a nation thats polarized thats unable to move forward. People today have nothing to do with people of yester years. I also believe all people are guilty of racism whether you admit or not you been a victim or instigator. I remember my granny always telling me that our ancestors who were once slaves in turn gave us freedom to live life as freely as possible don't ever let anyone tell you differently your sky goes as far as my sweet apple pie and to me that was pretty far. Those were her exact words. She was a strong confident women who fought not only for her own freedom but for all of our freedom today.
Finally life is what we all make of it and if we all are going to live our lives through the past then we are doomed for failure. I know the term we can forgive but never forget however if we can all find peace within ourselves to live life of happiness then the skies the limit. What I'm saying is that every living creature on this planet lifes matter.

It's my understanding that the people participating in these civil rights demonstrations happen to agree with you that all lives matter.

I must say I respectfully disagree with you on why we as a region (or a nation) are unable to move forward. We are not unable to move forward because people "keep bringing [the past] up." We are unable to move forward because people disagree on the extent to which the past has contributed to today's situation of disproportionate law enforcement leveled against blacks, and high concentrations of uneducated, unskilled, poor blacks with little-to-no opportunity.

Your grandmother most certainly gave you good advice to not let others tell you differently that you were given "freedom to live life as freely as possible." The key phrase is "as freely as possible." As soon as slavery was outlawed in the states, efforts were rapidly underway (both in government and in business) to segregate blacks, prevent them from receiving equal education, prevent them from securing loans to buy homes or cars, prevent them from owning or operating businesses, etc. While overt, easily-provable segregation and racial discrimination have also since been outlawed, the simple fact is those efforts continue in great force to this very day. Our inability to "move forward" comes directly from people of power and privilege either choosing to ignore those efforts, or actively perpetuating them.

I'd also like to point out that there's a big difference between "liv[ing] our lives through the past" and learning from the past while allowing it to form our actions in the present in order to bring about a better future.

No one disagrees with you that all life matters. These demonstrations are specifically about injustices against blacks, which is why the signs are about how "Black Lives Matter."

Metro St. Louis is moving "forward" in all sorts of ways. Central St. Louis is seeing investment on a scale it hasn't seen in decades.

MatthewHall wrote:

Greatest St. Louis wrote:

RedOctober wrote:This is not my forte however I'm going to attempt to make a clean comment.I for one believe all lives matter not just black lives. You can be Asian Russian Canadian Mexican Chilean Nairobi etc. Every life matters whether you're poor have an illness disabled wealthy transgendered dealing with depression so on. I think whats appalling to me is these signs that protesters are holding up saying black lives matter however you have in unfortunate circumstances people who don't care about anyone and not even themselves murdering each other as all of this is going on like nothing significant ever happened. How many people have been slain in city since this whole thing started? I'm one to believe in my own personal experience and opinion that the past is the past the more we bring it up not saying that its not important the more we live the past. We become a city a nation thats polarized thats unable to move forward. People today have nothing to do with people of yester years. I also believe all people are guilty of racism whether you admit or not you been a victim or instigator. I remember my granny always telling me that our ancestors who were once slaves in turn gave us freedom to live life as freely as possible don't ever let anyone tell you differently your sky goes as far as my sweet apple pie and to me that was pretty far. Those were her exact words. She was a strong confident women who fought not only for her own freedom but for all of our freedom today.
Finally life is what we all make of it and if we all are going to live our lives through the past then we are doomed for failure. I know the term we can forgive but never forget however if we can all find peace within ourselves to live life of happiness then the skies the limit. What I'm saying is that every living creature on this planet lifes matter.

It's my understanding that the people participating in these civil rights demonstrations happen to agree with you that all lives matter.

I must say I respectfully disagree with you on why we as a region (or a nation) are unable to move forward. We are not unable to move forward because people "keep bringing [the past] up." We are unable to move forward because people disagree on the extent to which the past has contributed to today's situation of disproportionate law enforcement leveled against blacks, and high concentrations of uneducated, unskilled, poor blacks with little-to-no opportunity.

Your grandmother most certainly gave you good advice to not let others tell you differently that you were given "freedom to live life as freely as possible." The key phrase is "as freely as possible." As soon as slavery was outlawed in the states, efforts were rapidly underway (both in government and in business) to segregate blacks, prevent them from receiving equal education, prevent them from securing loans to buy homes or cars, prevent them from owning or operating businesses, etc. While overt, easily-provable segregation and racial discrimination have also since been outlawed, the simple fact is those efforts continue in great force to this very day. Our inability to "move forward" comes directly from people of power and privilege either choosing to ignore those efforts, or actively perpetuating them.

I'd also like to point out that there's a big difference between "liv[ing] our lives through the past" and learning from the past while allowing it to form our actions in the present in order to bring about a better future.

No one disagrees with you that all life matters. These demonstrations are specifically about injustices against blacks, which is why the signs are about how "Black Lives Matter."

Metro St. Louis is moving "forward" in all sorts of ways. Central St. Louis is seeing investment on a scale it hasn't seen in decades.

I assumed mentions of "moving forward" referred to healing discrepancies of racial privilege, not to gentrifying certain parts of the city.

I assumed mentions of "moving forward" referred to healing discrepancies of racial privilege, not to gentrifying certain parts of the city.[/quote]

I know. My point is that part of the answer to improving the racial dynamics of St. Louis lies in improving it's economic dynamics. Racial identities don't exist in isolation from other sources of identity. Stopping all other activities in St. Louis until racial harmony has been achieved is not only unrealistic, it wouldn't work.

Can someone please explain why there are/were protests in shaw again? Man shot at cop, cop fires back and kills criminal. Perfectly legal. End of story. I wouldn't care if the criminal was, white, Asian, black etc. don't shoot at police. Pretty basic.

^ false rumors on social media that the kid only had a sandwich on him...a magical sandwich that leaves gun residue and fires bullets...

Greatest St. Louis wrote:Right, but my point that you apparently missed is that it disproportionately affects American blacks because those other "poor people of all races and backgrounds" have not been subject to the policies of slavery, Jim Crow, white flight, redlining, racial profiling etc. that blacks have been (and are to this day).

That's why I have an issue with people throwing out the comically oversimplified red herring that "black on black violence is statistically more prevalent than white on black violence."

Your point is loud and clear. However, I still think there is a disconnect in the message of 'black lives matter' when over 100 of the 120 or so homicides in the City of St. Louis in 2014 have been African-American victims. Just my $.02.

The media, especially local outlets, are not helping. If you want to talk about a red herring, consider those who tell blacks they should protest the violence that occurs in their neighborhoods. The fact is, there have been several marches and/or gatherings in recent weeks in predominately African-American neighborhoods, frequently led by churches or neighborhood organizations. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least four, and there may have been more. These activities, however, get only a brief mention on the news at best, and oftentimes they're not even acknowledged at all. Clearly black lives- and all lives- matter to these people.

jcity wrote:Can someone please explain why there are/were protests in shaw again? Man shot at cop, cop fires back and kills criminal. Perfectly legal. End of story. I wouldn't care if the criminal was, white, Asian, black etc. don't shoot at police. Pretty basic.

I don't understand this whatsoever. I get that we all believe what and whom we want to believe. However, I think you could have 50 videos that support the officer's statement and some people would still believe the police were in the wrong even though the officer was being shot at by Myers. From the beginning, there was less ambiguity in this situation than there was in the officer-involved shootings in Ferguson and Baden. I suppose it's just another opportunity to stir up trouble.

Great story about the owner of the Shaw Market and how he is committed to the neighborhood

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 5f0fd.html

The line where he states he doesn't think Meyers had a gun is sure to inspire some hateful comments from the usual STL Today trolls, but people should keep in mind if this guy knew Meyers and had a good shopkeeper/customer relationship with him it's probably hard for him to hear what actually happened.

I used to live two blocks from here. I remember stopping in there in a pinch to get hot dog buns for a BBQ. It still looked pretty ghetto from the outside but they were really nice. Glad to see they have made some improvements and are reaching out to the neighborhood.

I may have to have some of that Wed. night Eritrean food. It sounds amazing!