urbanSTL

Posting of any religious symbol by any private business doesn't offend me in general. I do think it's inappropriate. I think people should express their faith within their own personal realm. Is it the policy of Schnucks that they are a Christian organization? If so, I have never heard that expressed. Also, given the level of public subsidy this project received I wouldn't exactly call it a "private business." Not sure where the line is since so many projects (including residential) receive tax subsidies.

ricke002 wrote:So McDonald's falls into this same category because they market Filet-o-Fish sandwiches to Catholics during lent, right?

A filet-o-fish (or the marketing of said sandwich) is not a crucifix.

So McDonald's falls into this same category because they market Filet-o-Fish sandwiches to Catholics during lent, right?

Is McDonald's lobbying the government to amend the constitution to force catholics to eat Filet-o-Fish sandwiches during lent? no? oh, that's funny because lots of christian organizations are lobbying to amend various constitutions, based solely on religious ideology, so that i can never have the same rights as married couples (a freedom that would not effect their lives at all, by the way). so that's one thing that comes to mind when i see a crucifix.



that said, i think the new culinaria is fantastic and i'll certainly shop there when i return to STL, just like all the catholics that continue to eat Filet-o-Fishes - some even during lent! i might prefer that they take down the crucifix but, as i conceded before, they have every right to keep it up.

JuiceInDogtown wrote:

urban_dilettante wrote:of course they have every right to put it there, but in doing so they ostracize certain customers.

Read previous 10 or so posts.

I think this pretty much sums up both sides of the argument. Yes, they have every right to put up a crucifix. Yes, it may ostracize certain customers. Yes, they have every right "not to shop there," but I think that is exactly the problem. A grocery business should be more interested in keeping customers shopping than making any sort of religious stance. If a grocery store wants to lose customers because they insist on keeping up religious imagery, then let them do that. However, it just isn't that smart. It's perfectly appropriate to mention something to them and if they want to respond, they can.

Wow, I haven't been there yet but was at a dinner party Sat. night in downtown and residents stated that while they are grateful, the bakery and prepared food offerings are not upscale enough. Pate anyone?

I think this pretty much sums up both sides of the argument. Yes, they have every right to put up a crucifix. Yes, it may ostracize certain customers. Yes, they have every right "not to shop there," but I think that is exactly the problem. A grocery business should be more interested in keeping customers shopping than making any sort of religious stance. If a grocery store wants to lose customers because they insist on keeping up religious imagery, then let them do that. However, it just isn't that smart. It's perfectly appropriate to mention something to them and if they want to respond, they can.

I don't typically make "me too" posts but the above sums up my feelings EXACTLY.

Cityboy wrote:

I think this pretty much sums up both sides of the argument. Yes, they have every right to put up a crucifix. Yes, it may ostracize certain customers. Yes, they have every right "not to shop there," but I think that is exactly the problem. A grocery business should be more interested in keeping customers shopping than making any sort of religious stance. If a grocery store wants to lose customers because they insist on keeping up religious imagery, then let them do that. However, it just isn't that smart. It's perfectly appropriate to mention something to them and if they want to respond, they can.

I don't typically make "me too" posts but the above sums up my feelings EXACTLY.

It would appear that Schnuck's is doing a pretty decent job as is. Though I personally have no dog in the fight, I appreciate that they at least have stuck to their morals/guns/ideals/beliefs and made the place their own. In none of the reviews (save 1 a few pages back) have I read anything about the crucifix. Whether this is an indicator of inattentive customers or credit to the wonderful job they've done with the new store, I think something as small as this "issue" certain patrons have will eventually work itself out.

Let's get off the crucifix topic...

migueltejada wrote:

stlmike wrote:

JuiceInDogtown wrote:

Read previous 10 or so posts.

I think this pretty much sums up both sides of the argument. Yes, they have every right to put up a crucifix. Yes, it may ostracize certain customers. Yes, they have every right "not to shop there," but I think that is exactly the problem. A grocery business should be more interested in keeping customers shopping than making any sort of religious stance. If a grocery store wants to lose customers because they insist on keeping up religious imagery, then let them do that. However, it just isn't that smart. It's perfectly appropriate to mention something to them and if they want to respond, they can.

So what's your opinion on easter/xmas decorations? Should they sell those/decorate their store?

I don't have an opinion about it. Why should I? They can put out whatever they want. That's not the issue. Someone else may have an opinion about the decorations. If they do, they are free to mention it to the manager. The manager is, in turn, perfectly free to assess the complaint and determine whether or not taking them out of the store will hurt or help their business. My guess is that stores selling and putting up christmas decorations brings more people in than it turns them away. My guess is also that a crucifix doesn't have any business purpose but may turn people away. I'm not making an argument about what should or should not be the case. That's what you're doing. I'm saying- let the business listen to its customers and make decisions based on how they think it will effect their business.

I was in Culinaria for the first time early Saturday evening and the place was busy. I was shocked how much their addition has increased the liveliness of the neighborhood during what would normally be a pretty quiet time of the week. Its been pretty startling how much Post Office Square has improved over the past few months, can't wait for some of the additional retail to open. I bet by next spring we won't recognize the place because of all the increased activity. For those that want a theater downtown, until the early eighties there was the Stadium Twin in the Kiener Plaza garage. It was located about where Hooters and Calicos are currently at.

GelatinousEndive wrote:
This discussion has never been about The Law...

Actually you quoted me, not JCity.



JCity asked "have you read the constitution?" That part of the discussion was definitely about "The Law" despite what you say. JC brought "The Law" into it by asking that question.



My reply (which you quoted) was intended to point out how "The Law" didn't apply to BL's comments.





GE & JC, hope you're not offended. Just wanted to clarify.



Dare I say, JCity's question was "inappropriate"?



On a positive note I think I we can solve this "crucifix dilemma" by replacing it with a copy of the Constitution.



Just having a little fun with the last 2 lines. Now we really need to get back to solving the issue of the $.10 markup on eggs.





Ok, I'll stop. Sandman Sims is about to yank me off the stage.

Notes from Home wrote:Ok, I'll stop. Sandman Sims is about to yank me off the stage.

oh for the love of god, let it go

Doug wrote:So I walked by the new grocery store on Washington Avenue and it looks stalled indefinitely?



I suppose this project killed that one as well?



Would have been nice to have some diverse shopping options Downtown.

I'm pretty sure the owner that moves a a glacial pace killed, or stalled, or whatever it currently is. See the Diner or Copia for a similar example.

MattnSTL wrote:I'm pretty sure the owner that moves a a glacial pace killed, or stalled, or whatever it currently is. See the Diner or Copia for a similar example.

Probably a wise idea. A market west of Tucker might work, but I don't see how this concept could be very successful with the Culinaria so close by.

to the person that mentioned there are not enough gourmet items, i agree, but typically schnucks doesn't carry a ton of these.. Gourmet to Go will be opening on Sept 14th, so i hear.. there you will have plenty of options.



As I said. I'm agnostic, not regligious at all, and I also noticed the cross and I knew it would freak some people out. I agree that if it was any other religion the same people wouldn't be saying anything. I mean come on, if it was an Indian store and they had a Buddha statue there would be crickets chirping. I'm basically in lock step with Bill Maher on religion - that's its all made up.. I just don't get how people don't understand that it's a private business and this country was founded on religious freedom/expression. sure, you have the right to say that "the cross on the wall offends me." - clearly your intent is for them to take it down..

anyway, I love telling everyone in the county (coworkers) that the place is always packed!

dweebe wrote:Has anyone noticed that the cold Bud/Bud Light/Bud Select) six packs are always low or out of stock? I don't drink the stuff anymorebut its always interesting to see that hole in a heavily merchandised store.

Beer snob.

I'm okay with drinking cheap beer. Quantity not quality, right? I noticed they don't have any super cheap options...Milwaukee's Best, PBR, etc. I thought about requesting this to management but feel it may not be worth it if I'm the only person downtown who will drink it.