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PostFeb 22, 2008#376

foodicles wrote:It will be nice to be able to actually buy a magazine downtown again. Seemed odd, but I had the worse time trying to find magazines in the CBD.


The newstand in the St. Louis Place building at Broadway and Olive has LOTS of magazines. Even the nudie stuff.

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PostFeb 22, 2008#377

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foodicles wrote:It will be nice to be able to actually buy a magazine downtown again. Seemed odd, but I had the worse time trying to find magazines in the CBD.


The newstand in the St. Louis Place building at Broadway and Olive has LOTS of magazines. Even the nudie stuff.


I didn't realize that place was still there. I haven't been in there since Caleco's moved out.

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PostFeb 22, 2008#378

Granted it is in a parking garage but that means taking an elevator which insinuates anything more than two floors which means a 'tall building' with implies urban which, we all know, is dangerous.



They'll probably raze OPO

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PostFeb 22, 2008#379

I'm guessing the Schnucks Frontenac store is closer to 40000sf now because of the expansion (5-7 years ago? Hard to remember) that added the produce, cheese and cooked-foods section. There's also an urban legend that says that that store has better stock in selected products than many others because of a Ladue homeowner who lives within about half a mile.

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PostFeb 22, 2008#380

bonwich wrote:I'm guessing the Schnucks Frontenac store is closer to 40000sf now because of the expansion (5-7 years ago? Hard to remember) that added the produce, cheese and cooked-foods section. There's also an urban legend that says that that store has better stock in selected products than many others because of a Ladue homeowner who lives within about half a mile.


The St. Louis County tax records show the following.
Building Information

Locator ID: 20M440336

Tax Year: 2008

Card: 1

Living Units:

Year Built: 1959

Units:

Building Number: 0001

Improvement Name: SCHNUCKS

Structure Type: SUPERMARKET

Class: C

Grade: C-

Identical Units: 1

Area Under Roof: 37379

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PostFeb 22, 2008#381

DeBaliviere wrote:


The newstand in the St. Louis Place building at Broadway and Olive has LOTS of magazines. Even the nudie stuff.


do they have "She Male Fiesta," "Women Over 80," and "Drunk Chicks"???

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PostFeb 22, 2008#382

bonwich wrote:I'm guessing the Schnucks Frontenac store is closer to 40000sf now because of the expansion (5-7 years ago? Hard to remember) that added the produce, cheese and cooked-foods section. There's also an urban legend that says that that store has better stock in selected products than many others because of a Ladue homeowner who lives within about half a mile.


I always thought the Schnucks on Lindell had the best stock. (insert sarcasm) :wink:

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PostFeb 22, 2008#383

Moorlander wrote:do they have "She Male Fiesta," "Women Over 80," and "Drunk Chicks"???


I thought you had those delivered to your house, Mr. Madison. :)

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PostFeb 22, 2008#384

Here's a note from our friends up north:


This is news? Sweet Jeezus. Slow news day or just an inherently boring town?



You’re not going to believe this…so get a real tight white-knuckle grip on your mouse…I was just out at lunch in Chicago and walked past a Trader Joes, Whole Foods, a Jewel AND a Dominick’s. All downtown. Imagine that! And on my walk home tonight from the subway this evening, I’ll walk by a another grocery store, a Treasure Island.



I bet there’s not even such a selection in your glorious Maryland Heights…..quel horror!


SIC’EM!



http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/busine ... n-schnucks

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PostFeb 22, 2008#385

"sic' em" - must be a Baylor fan...



Wow, there are some bad takes on that blog, but not nearly as bad as usual. I think the new location is perfect. I prefer it over the Cass location without question.

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PostFeb 22, 2008#386

bonwich wrote:I'm guessing the Schnucks Frontenac store is closer to 40000sf now because of the expansion (5-7 years ago? Hard to remember) that added the produce, cheese and cooked-foods section. There's also an urban legend that says that that store has better stock in selected products than many others because of a Ladue homeowner who lives within about half a mile.


Does his last name begin with "Schn"?

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PostFeb 22, 2008#387

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
bonwich wrote:I'm guessing the Schnucks Frontenac store is closer to 40000sf now because of the expansion (5-7 years ago? Hard to remember) that added the produce, cheese and cooked-foods section. There's also an urban legend that says that that store has better stock in selected products than many others because of a Ladue homeowner who lives within about half a mile.


Does his last name begin with "Schn"?


Well, Schneithorst's is still right across the street, in diminished form. (Who knew there could be so many?) 8)

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PostFeb 22, 2008#388

BL211 wrote:Here's a note from our friends up north:


This is news? Sweet Jeezus. Slow news day or just an inherently boring town?



You’re not going to believe this…so get a real tight white-knuckle grip on your mouse…I was just out at lunch in Chicago and walked past a Trader Joes, Whole Foods, a Jewel AND a Dominick’s. All downtown. Imagine that! And on my walk home tonight from the subway this evening, I’ll walk by a another grocery store, a Treasure Island.




Wow what a liar.



There are no grocery stores in downtown Chicago. By their official definition (North and West to the Chicago River, East to Lake Michigan, and South to Rossevelt Road) there is not one of those stores she named. If she were expand her definition of downtown to say West to 90/94 and south to to the Stevenson Expressway you could count 2 Jewel's, 1 Whole Foods, and 1 Dominicks. But that's the same thing as if we would say we have two arena's in downtown St. Louis to Chicago's none because new SLU arena is in an area adjacent to downtown.



I doubt this person is even from Chicago.

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PostFeb 22, 2008#389

^ I have noticed most of the "Love Chicago, STL sucks" crew who live here have never lived in the Windy City. Odd.

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PostFeb 22, 2008#390

Whoa. You guys are confusing people here by using the term "Downtown Chicago." There are no grocery stores in the Chicago Loop, the CBD. There are plenty of grocery stores in the Near North Side, which is often considered part of Downtown Chicago, although that term is subjective, since many people don't use it. There are hotels in the Loop, and in the Near North Side that have the term "Downtown" attached, although it's not often used by locals. Most people use specifics; "the loop," "the near north side," "the south loop," "streeterville."



When I lived in the Loop I was with-in walking distance to several grocery stores; a Jewel on Grand and State, and a Dominic’s near the Navy Pier. It was never a big deal. There was also a Jewel on State and Roosevelt, but the others were much closer. Apparently there is a Dominic’s planned for a new high rise on State and Randolph, in the Loop.



moving back to the STL discussion...

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PostFeb 22, 2008#391

You are correct I should have used CBD instead of Downtown in my explanation, but I think the spirit of what I said was correct: the implications that a new grocery store in St Louis' CBD is old hat compared to all the grocery stores in Chicago's CBD was misleading.

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PostFeb 25, 2008#392

The best part about DONNA is that her name is Donna! :lol:

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PostFeb 25, 2008#393

southsidepride wrote:^ I have noticed most of the "Love Chicago, STL sucks" crew who live here have never lived in the Windy City. Odd.
I love Chicago and St. Louis and have lived in both. Of course, I left Chicago when I was 5 but I still go back.



In any case, people were wondering about parking. At the press conference, it was stated that there would be 2 hour free parking in the garage for customers. Perhaps some kind of validation? Not sure.

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PostFeb 25, 2008#394

Amazingly enough, this is one area where St Louis will have Chicago beat. My uncle in the Loop has to get in his car to get to a decent grocery store. Scary...

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PostFeb 25, 2008#395

saminSTL wrote:Amazingly enough, this is one area where St Louis will have Chicago beat. My uncle in the Loop has to get in his car to get to a decent grocery store. Scary...


Seriously? You can walk or take the train to a grocery store from anywhere in the Loop. Maybe he likes to buy in bulk? After all, if you don't drive, you can only buy as much as you can carry.

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PostFeb 26, 2008#396

you can take the train in STL too for what it is worth

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PostFeb 27, 2008#397

Xing, the closest one is a Jewel about a mile away. It is two buses for him. He lives off the wrong EL line for it.

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PostFeb 27, 2008#398

saminSTL wrote:Xing, the closest one is a Jewel about a mile away. It is two buses for him. He lives off the wrong EL line for it.


There's about a 14-16,000 sq ft Jewel/Osco just north of the Loop on the corner of State/Grand, right by a Red Line station. Does it have a lot of stuff? Yes. Does it have every single thing? No. Plus I think they are building a pretty decent sized Whole Foods a few blocks south (closer to the Loop, by Harry Carry's)



Yes, if you want a 50,000 sq ft full-line store: you'll have to head up to the Gold Coast area to the full sized Jewel. But we're not getting a 50,000 sq ft full line store here in downtown St. Louis.

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PostMar 07, 2008#399

FROM DOWNTOWN STL ORG.



The ground floor of the ten-story 9th Street Parking Garage will soon be home to a well known downtown grocery store, Schnucks. The 25,000 square foot urban food store and specialty market will be located at the corner of 9th and Olive Streets and cater to the needs of downtown residents, workers and visitors.







The two-level store will feature fresh produce and specialty foods (natural and organic), a pharmacy, floral shop, Kaldi's Coffee bar, meat and seafood departments, salad bar, Asian hot-food bar, barbecue bar, pizza station, made-to-order sandwich shop, tapas tasting area, seating space and more. The store is slated to open in either late 2008 or early 2009.

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PostMar 28, 2008#400

Schnucks to spend $3.4 million on downtown St. Louis store

St. Louis Business Journal - by Christopher Tritto

It will cost $7.56 million for Schnuck Markets Inc. to build out, stock and open downtown St. Louis' first full-service grocery store. But the family-owned supermarket chain is getting help.



Schnucks will pay $3.42 million necessary for tenant improvements, inventory and other opening expenses at the downtown location, at Ninth and Olive streets, according to state finance board documents. The remaining money will come from a combination of state, federal and city subsidies.



"If we didn't have the public support, it wouldn't be a viable project," said Scott Schnuck, chief executive of Schnuck Markets. "We're starting with a space that wasn't designed for a grocery store." The location will require a leveled floor, extensive wiring and other improvements, he said.



The grocery chain will receive $1.1 million in state funds from the Missouri Development Finance Board (MDFB), $1.29 million in proceeds through the federal New Markets Tax Credits program and $1.75 million from the city of St. Louis through a development agreement that will operate like a tax increment finance (TIF) plan, according to a resolution approved March 18 by the state finance board. The city's Board of Aldermen approved the development agreement March 14 and has sent its bill to Mayor Francis Slay for his signature.



The planned 20,800-square-foot urban concept store, a first for Schnucks, will be smaller than the chain's typical stores, which are about 55,000 square feet. The store will feature all of the services of a traditional store, including a pharmacy, floral department, bakery and meat department. But it also will feature a Kaldi's Coffee bar and a 6,306-square-foot mezzanine with a wine department, tapas bar and seating space to cater to daytime workers in the area and to downtown residents who eat out often. The store is slated to open in late 2008 or early 2009.



"This is a store specifically designed for this market," Schnuck said. "It is unlike anything else we have today."



The state owns the 1,065-space Ninth Street Garage, where Schnucks will lease ground floor retail space for the store. The initial term of the lease will be 10 years at a rate of $9 per square foot. After that, Schnucks can extend its lease for one or more of six consecutive five-year terms at slightly increased rental rates, according to the lease summary.



Gary McElyea, spokesman for MDFB Chairman Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder, said state funding for the store will help drive economic development downtown and get a project off the ground that would not otherwise be feasible.



"Having a full-service grocery store has been perceived as critical to raising the downtown residential market to the next level," said Barbara Geisman, deputy mayor for development. "When (Schnucks) wanted a TIF to be able to do it, we were happy to entertain the idea. It does considerably enhance the credibility of the downtown residential market that an established name-brand store is confident there is enough of a market to invest there."...







..."We realize we're probably early in opening here, and we have been watching downtown very closely," Schnuck said. "But we feel strongly that the first person who comes downtown with a full-service grocery will really stake out the market. We're counting on the continued momentum downtown."



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