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bonwich wrote:It's hard to tell from the clips I can find from that time. Schnucks was under some political pressure because they'd bought out National, but there was also a trend at that time for downsized retail stores from everyone from Office Max to Wal-Mart. I can't fully see Schnucks throwing together an entire small-store concept just to appease one small sector of the region.


Also check the county journal papers. I vaguely remember reading articles in those.



I used to work with someone who lived right behind that store. He used to complain about the space being empty and even went so far as to get a petition going trying to force Schnucks to loosen they stranglehold on the plaza. Supposedly Shop n Save really wanted that spot but Schucks wouldn't give it up. I think my coworker and his neighbors got the Affton officials so worked up that Schnucks was forced to open the small store up.



I remember the one article the Post had about that Affton store where all the price tags on the shelves were digital and linked so price changes could occur immediately. Schnucks was using that small store to do the beta test of the system. We joked it was so they could triple the price of bread, milk and eggs if snow was forecasted.

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It is articles i like this that really confuse me.



The Business Journal, May 17 - not just two weeks ago...



Schnucks planned for downtown

St. Louis Business Journal - May 17, 2007by Lisa R. Brown



Schnuck Markets plans to open a grocery store in downtown St. Louis.



The St. Louis-based grocery chain is finalizing plans to open a 20,000-square-foot store on the ground floor of the Ninth Street garage at 9th and Olive early next year.



The store will be an urban concept store much smaller than Schnucks' typical stores, which are about 55,000 square feet. The chain has hired a nationally-based design firm to develop the urban concept store. The development cost for the store is more than $6 million.



Speculation has centered for months on Schnucks' plans to open a downtown store. The newly constructed Ninth Street Garage was co-developed by The DESCO Group, a real estate development firm headed by Mark Schnuck. The DESCO Group is the developer on all of Schnucks' stores.



Schnucks will be competing for shoppers' dollars with City Grocers, a 6,500-square-foot store across the street. Developer Craig Heller announced plans in 2006 to more the double the size of his City Grocers store at 920 Olive and move the expanded store across the street to the ground floor of the Syndicate building at 915 Olive St., which his company, LoftWorks, and Minneapolis-based Sherman Associates are redeveloping into 102 condos and 70 apartments. City Grocers opened in 2004 and is currently the only grocery store open downtown.



The new Schnucks will also face competition when Gilded Age opens a 35,000-square-foot grocery store on property across the street from its Georgian condominium project that is located on the western edge of the Lafayette Square neighborhood, just south of downtown. Gilded Age principal Chris Goodson said the added competition will be good for business. "It will offer a nice complement," Goodson said about the new Schnucks store.



Gilded Age plans to break ground on a new Walgreens across the street from its Georgian condominiums this August. The City Market will open in summer or fall of 2008, Goodson said.



lrbrown@bizjournals.com





AND THEN AGAIN IN THE POST DISPATCH - SAME DAY



Schnucks planning downtown store

By Deborah Peterson

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

05/17/2007



Finishing touches are being put on a plan for a 20,000-square-foot Schnuck’s to go into the first floor of the Desco-DFC Group garage development at 9th between Olive and Locust streets, several sources said Thursday. The Century Building formerly was at the location.



A source close to the project said the store would be more than three times larger than the nearest grocery, City Grocers at 10th and Olive streets. Expected is an upscale urban market, complete with an in-store pharmacy, restaurant, deli and food bars.



It would be more of a boutique size, not comparable to the large suburban Schnucks stores. A spokeswoman for Schnucks declined to comment on the project. St. Louis officials and a spokesman for DFC also declined comment.



debpeterson@post-dispatch.com



:!: Maybe write to the authors of these articles and ask their sources.



:arrow: It just seems VERY strange that Schnucks would even have "uttered" anything about the downtown store to the media. BOTH articles also came out together - indicating a "press release" fo some sort from Schnucks in the first place.

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PostMay 30, 2007#178

maybe this will encourage them to open more "urban concept" stores.

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TGE-ATW wrote:Wait, What? How many times is this grocery store going to happen/not happen? Several times now it has gone from "rumor" to "speculation" to "done-deal" to "where's the announcement" to "somebody jumped the gun." I just don't get how this has gotten so f...ed up?
Ok, we should probably just relax a bit. It's highly likely Schnuck's will move into the downtown location at the garage. Deals take a while to finalize so let's just wait and see. If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, fine as well.

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PostMay 30, 2007#180

Xing wrote:maybe this will encourage them to open more "urban concept" stores.


I'm not sure where else in St Louis a store like this would work. Maybe in Midtown once that area takes off a little more or the the West End, but both those area's are served by the standard store on Lindell.



Not that the concept wouldn't work, but the area's that could potentially be served by these types of stores already have standard stores close by.

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mcarril wrote:
Xing wrote:maybe this will encourage them to open more "urban concept" stores.


I'm not sure where else in St Louis a store like this would work. Maybe in Midtown once that area takes off a little more or the the West End, but both those area's are served by the standard store on Lindell.



Not that the concept wouldn't work, but the area's that could potentially be served by these types of stores already have standard stores close by.


But what about other markets Schnucks serves? How about downtown Springfield Illinois? Memphis? Jeff City?

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innov8ion wrote:
TGE-ATW wrote:Wait, What? How many times is this grocery store going to happen/not happen? Several times now it has gone from "rumor" to "speculation" to "done-deal" to "where's the announcement" to "somebody jumped the gun." I just don't get how this has gotten so f...ed up?
Ok, we should probably just relax a bit. It's highly likely Schnuck's will move into the downtown location at the garage. Deals take a while to finalize so let's just wait and see. If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, fine as well.


what deal? doesn't the company that owns the garage also own schnucks?

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PostMay 30, 2007#183

^Yes. IMO - this 'idea' was floated pretty hard to gauge exactly what would happen - and maybe to stall City Grocers in their planning . . .

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innov8ion wrote:
TGE-ATW wrote:Wait, What? How many times is this grocery store going to happen/not happen? Several times now it has gone from "rumor" to "speculation" to "done-deal" to "where's the announcement" to "somebody jumped the gun." I just don't get how this has gotten so f...ed up?
Ok, we should probably just relax a bit. It's highly likely Schnuck's will move into the downtown location at the garage. Deals take a while to finalize so let's just wait and see. If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, fine as well.


I'm not worked up about the Schnucks opening/not opening (although I want it to happen), I am annoyed by all the PUBLISHED information that is presented as news, but apparently just rumors. I would think that when the BJ and the P-Diddy publish articles such as the ones quoted earlier, there would be more behind them. It seems to me like Schnucks can't make up their mind. They're like a kid trying to get up the nerve to jump into a pool.

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BL211 wrote:
innov8ion wrote:
TGE-ATW wrote:Wait, What? How many times is this grocery store going to happen/not happen? Several times now it has gone from "rumor" to "speculation" to "done-deal" to "where's the announcement" to "somebody jumped the gun." I just don't get how this has gotten so f...ed up?
Ok, we should probably just relax a bit. It's highly likely Schnuck's will move into the downtown location at the garage. Deals take a while to finalize so let's just wait and see. If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, fine as well.


what deal? doesn't the company that owns the garage also own schnucks?


No. DESCO does not own Schnuck's. Member's of the Schnuck family own DESCO, but I don't know if it is 100% overlap.

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I jsut walked by and they are doing plaster and drywall work inside the garage. Would they start this before they had a tenant lined up and a build-out planned?

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PostMay 30, 2007#187

^No. And I believe every Schnuck's is located in a DESCO owned property. Does anyone know if DESCO has any properties where there isn't a Schnuck's?

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TGE-ATW wrote:I jsut walked by and they are doing plaster and drywall work inside the garage. Would they start this before they had a tenant lined up and a build-out planned?


Are you sure that they're doing that work in what will be the retail space? Could it be just passageways for people going up to the garage?

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Grover wrote:Does anyone know if DESCO has any properties where there isn't a Schnuck's?


Yes, quite a few.

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steve wrote:
TGE-ATW wrote:I jsut walked by and they are doing plaster and drywall work inside the garage. Would they start this before they had a tenant lined up and a build-out planned?


Are you sure that they're doing that work in what will be the retail space? Could it be just passageways for people going up to the garage?


Could be, I just saw the drywall/plaster/acoustical tile trucks parked out on Locust and I saw Drywall loading onto a forklift at the corner of Locust and 9th.

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steve wrote:
TGE-ATW wrote:I jsut walked by and they are doing plaster and drywall work inside the garage. Would they start this before they had a tenant lined up and a build-out planned?


Are you sure that they're doing that work in what will be the retail space? Could it be just passageways for people going up to the garage?


Now, if they were loading crates of fruit or cartons of Cap'nCrunch, that MIGHT indicate a grocery store moving in. :lol:

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There's a rumor about a Trader Joes or Whole Food Going in the base of the Skyhouse, I heard this from a person who spoke with someone at the Skyhouse office.

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PostJun 01, 2007#193

TGE-ATW wrote:I'm not worked up about the Schnucks opening/not opening (although I want it to happen), I am annoyed by all the PUBLISHED information that is presented as news, but apparently just rumors. I would think that when the BJ and the P-Diddy publish articles such as the ones quoted earlier, there would be more behind them. It seems to me like Schnucks can't make up their mind. They're like a kid trying to get up the nerve to jump into a pool.


I get annoyed by this practice as well. The word on the street is that Schnucks is serious about locating on the main level of the Ninth Street Garage, but who knows how long we'll wait for someone to actually confirm this?



Well, if there's anything good about the recent flurry of stories, I guess it blows a massive hole in the theory that the Post-Dispatch is somehow anti-downtown. If anything, they're jumping the gun on reporting the good news in this case. 8)

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Xing wrote:There's a rumor about a Trader Joes or Whole Food Going in the base of the Skyhouse, I heard this from a person who spoke with someone at the Skyhouse office.


I talked to someone at Helen's tonight who has a friend who's best friend's 2nd cousin's great uncle's grand nephew said that Trader Joes's and Whole Foods would both be renting space in the first floor of the Van DeLay Tower.



That's just what I heard.

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PostJun 01, 2007#195

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Xing wrote:There's a rumor about a Trader Joes or Whole Food Going in the base of the Skyhouse, I heard this from a person who spoke with someone at the Skyhouse office.


I talked to someone at Helen's tonight who has a friend who's best friend's 2nd cousin's great uncle's grand nephew said that Trader Joes's and Whole Foods would both be renting space in the first floor of the Van DeLay Tower.



That's just what I heard.


Har har. Very funny.



I copied the guy's exact words on the residential projects section of Downtown St. Louis, in this forum. Read them there.

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BL211 wrote:
Now, if they were loading crates of fruit or cartons of Cap'nCrunch, that MIGHT indicate a grocery store moving in. :lol:


You're right, I guess I jumped the gun.



On a related note, I heard that a drywall/ plaster/acoustical tile shop was going in on the ground floor of the 9th street garage. They've been loading their merchandise in all week. :lol:

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TGE-ATW wrote:
BL211 wrote:
Now, if they were loading crates of fruit or cartons of Cap'nCrunch, that MIGHT indicate a grocery store moving in. :lol:


You're right, I guess I jumped the gun.



On a related note, I heard that a drywall/ plaster/acoustical tile shop was going in on the ground floor of the 9th street garage. They've been loading their merchandise in all week. :lol:


Now that's funny... CS please take note as your wittiness has slipped in recent posts. :wink:

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PostJun 05, 2007#198

gsp9993 wrote:On the other hand, we have another option that opens next week:



http://www.localharvestgrocery.com/



Local Harvest Grocery

3148 Morgan Ford

St. Louis, MO



Our grand opening is scheduled for June 1, 2007.



We will stock high quality, foods from the St. Louis region including meats, produce, cheese, eggs, grains and more. We will also have sustainably produced goods from outside the St. Louis region, including olive oils, canned goods, natural cleaners and organic produce not grown locally.



Initially we will also be serving prepared foods, including sandwiches, fruit/vegetable juices and smoothies. We will sell locally produced baked goods, as well, and brew locally roasted coffee.



Please keep checking back for more details!


Local Harvest Grocery is now opening on Friday, June 8

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PostJun 06, 2007#199

The thread has been recovered, and the new thread has been merged in and cleaned up.

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Xing wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Xing wrote:There's a rumor about a Trader Joes or Whole Food Going in the base of the Skyhouse, I heard this from a person who spoke with someone at the Skyhouse office.


I talked to someone at Helen's tonight who has a friend who's best friend's 2nd cousin's great uncle's grand nephew said that Trader Joes's and Whole Foods would both be renting space in the first floor of the Van DeLay Tower.



That's just what I heard.


Har har. Very funny.



I copied the guy's exact words on the residential projects section of Downtown St. Louis, in this forum. Read them there.


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