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The crime this morning was a murder-suicide stemming from a domestic dispute.



In recent months we've seen several of these in rural MO and IL as well as in the burbs. A tragedy, but not exactly random or even your stereotypical "urban thug" incident.

Matt Drops The H wrote:

<Name> September 18, 2009 8:39AM CST

I wish the thugs would keep their shooting on the north side of the city. Don't make me deal with shootings on my side of town.

An UrbanSTL forumer posted the above on STL Today re: a murder on the South Side.



I think this is so disappointing. I know the vast majority of UrbanSTL is either Central Corridor, South Side, or suburban, and not from the North Side, but I find comments like this, in 2009, to be so backward-looking.



We need to move past this type of speech and attitude: "my side of the city".

As a northsider, I wish the poster of the ignorant comment you quoted would just shut the hell up. We don't want shootings here either. Obviously. It suppose it's easy for him to run his mouth about wishing violence on me and my neighbors on the internet, though.

Matt Drops The H wrote:

<Name> September 18, 2009 8:39AM CST

I wish the thugs would keep their shooting on the north side of the city. Don't make me deal with shootings on my side of town.

An UrbanSTL forumer posted the above on STL Today re: a murder on the South Side.



I think this is so disappointing. I know the vast majority of UrbanSTL is either Central Corridor, South Side, or suburban, and not from the North Side, but I find comments like this, in 2009, to be so backward-looking.



We need to move past this type of speech and attitude: "my side of the city".

How do you know it was someone from the forum? Oh, because it was my the same nickname I use here! I am fully aware that people from this forum read the comments - probably most of us - and I chose to keep the same name. I usually don't even comment except to chime in about how the city is mostly fine and I love living here. Today, my friends, I am fed up. Love the city, sick of the killing and other crime that make us look like we don't know what the hell we are talking about. I am tired of having my car rifled through, people kicking in back doors to take our sh*t. I love Dogtown and sing its praises, but if anyone else moved here thinking it was a crime-free mecca like I once thought it was, they will soon hate it.



I have lived in Dogtown since April 28, 2008. That means 1 year, 5 months.



4 - the number of times I've had my car "broken" into, or rifled through in Dogtown

1 - the number of times the door to my home was kicked in while I was out of town





You're right Matt, what I said was wrong and pretty par for the course for STLToday - but I am so sick of having to defend this city every minute of the day because of this crap. Now it even looks like it was someone from Kirkwood that did the killing.



I am very happy with my life but I have found myself pretty withdrawn recently, disappointed and angry with the city. I was going to the park every night with my son and now I've reached a point where I would rather play with him at home or in the back yard because there I don't have to socialize, something I usually love doing. Had to call the cops on kids sitting under the shelter smoking weed in plain sight the other day. Park is frequently trashed any more. Just about to lose it.



Every time I think we take a step forward, we take 2 steps back with another double murder or a gang of douchebags in your neighborhood kicking in your doors you have to watch out for. I still would take city living over suburban living any day of the week, but I'm past the honeymoon phase.



From "Berkeley killed in St Louis city drive-by"

Anyone who’s in Berkeley at any time deserves to be shot.

— mcdan51

12:36 pm September 18th, 2009

My frustration is apparently making it out on to the STLToday comments section. I think I just need a break.

^ Juice did you miss this?

Framer wrote:I noticed this tidbit burried at the bottom of a murder writeup in the Post today. It seems that there have been 88 murders in the city so far this year, compared to 126 in the same period last year. If accurate, that's a 30% decline. Pretty significant.

JuiceInDogtown wrote:


I don't think Beck or Limbaugh would comment on it if the end result was expected to be the same as it would be if the skins were reversed. If this was just another story, no. And if this were getting the airplay that 2 white students would get for pounding on a black kid, there would be no reason for them to comment. Beck and Limbaugh are covering it because no one else will.



[searched "belleville school bus beating _______" on google]

Searched CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, and CBS in the ________ spot - found one article, from CBS. If others covered it, I'm not finding it with these search terms. If they are out there, please correct me.



No, us conservatards have created a fictional "liberal media."

I think the reason it hasn't been reported extensively on CNN, NBC et al is because a school bus fight in Belleville, IL is not national news. If it wasn't for Drudge's headline, no one outside of St. Louis would have ever heard about it or cared. If it wasn't for the Belleville police's premature "race related" remark, no one outside of Belleville West High School would have heard or cared about it.



I do not expect or want to see "Wedgies Reported at Cleveland, OH Middle School" next time I turn on CNN. I realize the pummeling this poor kid took (and the disappointing behavior of the kids laughing at him) is a bit more serious than a wedgie, but its still something that happens in hundreds of schools each day.

southsidepride wrote:The crime this morning was a murder-suicide stemming from a domestic dispute.



In recent months we've seen several of these in rural MO and IL as well as in the burbs. A tragedy, but not exactly random or even your stereotypical "urban thug" incident.

I rode my bike from TGE to my office downtown this morning. I happened to ride by this at about 8:30 AM, less than 30 minutes after this happened. That is kind of disturbing.

Juice, does Dogtown have any kind of neighborhood watch/neighborhood patrols?

After four years of living in Jeff Vanderlou I have finally been victimized (actually it was Ameren). I was out of town for a few weeks and when I came back I found that my electric meter (just the meter, not the base) had been apprehended.



I still had power so it wasn't a big deal. What doesn't make sense is the stolen meter has an internal modem, so if it's ever plugged in again it'll call back and let Ameren know where it is.



The linesman put a bigger lock on the box this time.

DeBaliviere wrote:Juice, does Dogtown have any kind of neighborhood watch/neighborhood patrols?

Not to my knowledge...



One of the saddest things that happened was when I asked the Franz Park Community Association what the association actually did, and the head of it actually said "We hold meetings once a month." I expected a little more.

Matt Drops the H wrote:The easy life is really, sadly, not the reality of most of St. Louis City. It's a high crime city. That's our reality.

I hated having to come to that reality, but alas, I have.

Matt Drops the H wrote:I didn't mean to call you out specifically, Juice.

I ain't mad at cha

I think it's Tower Grove South that started a neighborhood patrol, with pairs of neighbors patrolling specific blocks on foot, and carrying walkie-talkies to communicate with each other and the police.



You might want to think about looking into what other neighborhoods have done and trying to start up something in your neighborhood.



Dogtown needs a hero, juice.

DeBaliviere wrote:I think it's Tower Grove South that started a neighborhood patrol, with pairs of neighbors patrolling specific blocks on foot, and carrying walkie-talkies to communicate with each other and the police.



You might want to think about looking into what other neighborhoods have done and trying to start up something in your neighborhood.



Dogtown needs a hero, juice.

You're right. I'll contact the FPCA and see if they want to consider doing something beyond having meetings.

^

And yes, I did watch The Dark Knight before writing my last post.

I absolutely agree with you. Why do we have to be 3 different neighborhoods? I told the FPCA president (or whatever its called) that Dogtown should get a farmer's market - close down the West Park/Tamm intersection every Saturday for 6 hours or so and do it. But, it's not her job to bring ideas like that to the table because she's president of the Franz Park Community Assoc, and it would do "us" no good as far as "our" neighborhood.



I don't know why, since the only reason people recognize "Hi-Point" is because of the theater name, and most people probably think Clayton/Tamm is just an intersection, and nobody knows what Franz Park is....that we can't just get "Dogtown" to be our official city neighborhood. Then we could have Dogtown-wide meetings to discuss crime and there would be a lot more interest, I would imagine. I am just as concerned about someone getting their car stolen on Oakland Avenue as I am on Mitchell or Waldemar.

DeBaliviere wrote:I think it's Tower Grove South that started a neighborhood patrol, with pairs of neighbors patrolling specific blocks on foot, and carrying walkie-talkies to communicate with each other and the police.

Any indication that this is working well in TGS? I've been seriously considering purchasing here and a strong community/neighborhood involvement is important.

I have been hearing about cop talk for years but can never find it. Can someone post a link to the website?

Juice, I understand your frustration and I hope that you will continue to be proactive in trying to remedy the situation in your neighborhood.



I'm curious about your statement that you are "tired of defending the city every minute of every day". Might I suggest that you stop defending it. The people who don't get it never will.



Trust me, I went through the same thing about 6 yrs. ago when my car was stolen from in front of my apt. on Shaw. The same week my sister's truck was stolen from inside of her garage as the perp broke into the house and stole the keys (along with some other posessions). She lived in St. Charles



If you ask me my situation was far less disturbing, but guess which one of us was asked if we were going to move?

Anyone know anything about the murder on 9/18/2009 at the 2800 block of Park Ave down near Lafayette park?



Or the shooting at Jefferson and Park on 9/23?

http://members.boardhost.com/stlouiscop ... 58570.html



Haven't heard anything about it in the news... just read about the shooting on cop talk and checked the safe city map.



http://safecity.slmpd.org/MapMain.htm



Safe city map lists it as "weapons"

Yikes! Hit and run on Washington and 9th.



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument