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PostSep 02, 2009#801

I saw the sporty black vehicle yesterday pulling into our back alley - it's a black Kia with dark tinted windows. One of the guys looked to be the same guy as before, in the Dodge Caravan.



They didn't see me (this alley only serves 5 homes, we all know each other and the cars that belong to every one).



As the car slowly drove through the alley, they didn't see me. I walked out of my garage, they saw, dropped the car into reverse and quickly took off.



I called the non-emergency police number (231-1212) and they were very helpful. Within minutes police were patrolling the area.


DOGTOWNB&R wrote:Update from the Clayton/Tamm Neighborhood association:



Ladies and Gentlemen: We have the below described individuals that are currently committing burglaries in the Dog Town neighborhoods. Do not hesitate to call 911 if you see any individuals or a vehicle matching the description below. This is a priority, we will respond. Do not approach the individuals let us do the Policing; we need you to be our additional eyes and ears in the community. As you see we have witnesses that are helping identify the suspects, however they didn’t initially call the police when they first saw these individuals. Reminder; Do not hesitate to call the police when you see something or someone suspicious in your neighborhood. Dial 911 for suspicious persons and we will respond. Let’s pass this information on to your neighbors.



Respectfully,



Captain Ronnie Robinson

Commander Dist. 2



Subject: Dogtown Burglaries

The listed burglaries have similar shoeprints recovered from the scenes and are believed to have been committed by the same suspects:



6648 Oakland (4 Apartments) 1:30pm (08/17)



09-51230



09-51231



09-51232



09-51233



1912 McCausland 11:14am (08/21)



09-52182



1553 Kraft 11:45am (Today)



09-54711



1305 Lousiville 10:30am-12:00pm (Today)



09-54704



In the burglaries on Oakland and McCausland, witnesses described the suspects as 3-4 black males, 18-25 years old, occupying a “sporty” black vehicle hatchback with temporary tags MO. A15-???



**Ladies and Gentlemen: Last night we arrested 4 individuals riding bicycles in the district after they had assaulted and robbed two victims in Francis Park. The individuals were 4 B/M teenagers who did not live in the district. If you see multiple individuals 3 or more, black or white, who look suspicious and are engaging in suspicious activity please do not hesitate to call 911 for suspicious persons. We will respond. Take a look at the information below and if you see a vehicle matching the description please dial 911 or if you know of persons and vehicle that may match do not hesitate to send me an email with the information. Keep communicating and we will definitely reduce crime and send a message to the criminals who are trying to destroy our district. Please share this information.



Thank you for your concern



Captain Ronnie Robinson

Commander Dist. 2



The below described vehicle was seen leaving several car cloutings in District 2. The vehicle may have a loud muffler. The vehicle should be occupied by 3 or 4 white males. Any help in locating this vehicle/occupants would be greatly appreciated.



Incident: Stealing from a Vehicle



Location: 6460 Smiley



DATE/TIMES: 8-28-09



SUSPECTS: W-M late teens, shoulder length (or longer) curly black hair, black shirt. He was with three other subjects, W-M teens, in a black Grand Prix.



SYNOPSIS: Witness was leaving for work when he saw the described subject inside of a vehicle parked at the curb, as he approached the subject got into a black Grand Prix occupied by three other subjects and they fled turning onto Arsenal then north on Tamm. He saw a possible plate of 730-WR.







INCIDENT: Stealing from a Vehicle



LOCATION: 5956 Columbia



DATE/TIMES: 8-28-09 4:40 a.m.



SUSPECTS: 4 subjects occupying a black vehicle



SYNOPSIS: Witness was a block away and saw 4 subjects get out of a vehicle parked at the curb and jump into a black vehicle (possibly a Grand Prix or Grand Am). The vehicle then turned and went south on Hampton. Witness saw the door left open on the vehicle at the curb when he got up to it. By then, the subjects were gone. They got an I-Pod and tried to rip the radio out of the dash, but were unsuccessful and left it lying in the street, still connected to the wires.
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PostSep 02, 2009#802

^Did you fire a gun at them! :hell:



Seriously, good job on reporting them. If everyone did that every time they saw something out of ordinary, we'd likely catch these thugs.



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PostSep 02, 2009#803

No shooting.



But they took off pretty quick. And the police got here quick.



These creeps seem to think that everybody is gone at lunchtime.



When did those 4 guys (mentioned in your post) get arrested?


DOGTOWNB&R wrote:^Did you fire a gun at them! :hell:



Seriously, good job on reporting them. If everyone did that every time they saw something out of ordinary, we'd likely catch these thugs.



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PostSep 02, 2009#804

^8/26/09, mid-day. They were knocking on doors around lunch time. It just so happened that a stay at home mom, answered the door, didn't like the questions, called the police, as suspected, the guys were not legit and got arrested.
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PostSep 02, 2009#805

^ We've had four different black male teenagers (all of whom we recognize from them hanging out a couple blocks away) knock on our door in the middle of the day, each asking for a different person claiming they were told he/she lived here. My wife called the police this last time and four officers arrived. Two hours later we saw the same person (changing his shirt back to the one he had on when he knocked) hanging out down the street and called the police again. They arrived in no more than two minutes and stopped the kid to talk to him - no word on what transpired then.
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PostSep 02, 2009#806

Franz Park (Mitchell/Glades intersection) is full of kids and parents after dinner time - 6ish/7ish. The other night 4 kids were under the shelter smoking weed. Unbelievable. If I drove by people smoking on their porch I wouldn't bother, but thats ri-damn-diculous. I called the police and it was probably a 10 minute response time. They were long gone. 2 of them returned but I didn't feel like calling again.
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PostSep 02, 2009#807

^ Call. Call. Call and then call again.
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PostSep 02, 2009#808

juiceindogtown wrote:
Franz Park (Mitchell/Glades intersection) is full of kids and parents after dinner time - 6ish/7ish. The other night 4 kids were under the shelter smoking weed. Unbelievable. If I drove by people smoking on their porch I wouldn't bother, but thats ri-damn-diculous. I called the police and it was probably a 10 minute response time. They were long gone. 2 of them returned but I didn't feel like calling again.


Juice, there are a few on this forum that believe that is perfectly okay. Gives the City that vibe or edge it needs.......see the LK Sullivan party thread.... :roll:
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PostSep 03, 2009#809

DOGTOWNB&R wrote:juiceindogtown wrote:
Franz Park (Mitchell/Glades intersection) is full of kids and parents after dinner time - 6ish/7ish. The other night 4 kids were under the shelter smoking weed. Unbelievable. If I drove by people smoking on their porch I wouldn't bother, but thats ri-damn-diculous. I called the police and it was probably a 10 minute response time. They were long gone. 2 of them returned but I didn't feel like calling again.


Juice, there are a few on this forum that believe that is perfectly okay. Gives the City that vibe or edge it needs.......see the LK Sullivan party thread.... :roll:


Hey, don't worry bud, I've already got that covered - the kids were white.
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PostSep 03, 2009#810

^I was referring to the fact that a little open drinking and bud smoking in public is considered by some, to be a good thing for the City. It gives it that New Orleans/Vegas vibe..... :roll:



I am sure that the race card will get thrown down at some point too. I am glad that you covered the fact that you were not targeting African American kids.
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PostSep 03, 2009#811

I couldn't give a wind fart about race. I care about crime. Brother, crime is color blind.
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PostSep 04, 2009#812

DOGTOWNB&R wrote:^I was referring to the fact that a little open drinking and bud smoking in public is considered by some, to be a good thing for the City. It gives it that New Orleans/Vegas vibe..... :roll:



I am sure that the race card will get thrown down at some point too. I am glad that you covered the fact that you were not targeting African American kids.


I think you may have read Jcity's LKS comment wrong. He said that he always kind of appreciated how Saint Louis has a loose New Ortleans vibe...sometimes. Not that he thought drinking and smoking dope in public are good for the city. I thought we were all finished with that thread a long time ago.
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PostSep 04, 2009#813

^Yes, we did beat that thread to death. I don't think it was just jcity. A few others seemed to defend that action and the gathering. My point was, some probably feel, if that activity is acceptable on LKS, why not Franz Park....I hope that we have come to a consensus, that this behavior is not acceptable in certain places.



By no means do I want to get into this conversation again. However,I had a conversation with another cop friend of mine works secondary at that White Castle on occasion. He said they run the crowds off constantly on LKS. Said there have been shootings, fights, drive-bys, drug dealing, you name it. When the cops tell the crowds to disperse, they have cursed, thrown things and the smart individuals put out there philly blunts. Unfortunately for my friend, the angry crowd takes over the White Castle, where many incidents have occurred. I think the arguements on that subject are over!
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PostSep 04, 2009#814

Considering that White Castle is literally right next to an outside bar that I love to take out of towners as well as locals, Broadway Oyster Bar, that kind of behavior is TOTALLY unacceptable.



I hope the cops watch that WC like a HAWK!
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PostSep 04, 2009#815

DOGTOWNB&R wrote:^I was referring to the fact that a little open drinking and bud smoking in public is considered by some, to be a good thing for the City. It gives it that New Orleans/Vegas vibe..... :roll:



I am sure that the race card will get thrown down at some point too. I am glad that you covered the fact that you were not targeting African American kids.


Oh yeah, I knew exactly what you meant when you said it. I was just saying to you that the kids were white in advance, so nobody will be sticking up for them :)
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PostSep 13, 2009#816

The Post-Dispatch had a brief story the other day about St. Louis County Police using vacant homes as bait for burglars. I wish that City police would do this - makes sense to me.



http://www.stlurbanworkshop.com/2009/09 ... rglar.html
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PostSep 14, 2009#817

I noticed this tidbit burried at the bottom of a murder writeup in the Post today. It seems that there have been 88 murders in the city so far this year, compared to 126 in the same period last year. If accurate, that's a 30% decline. Pretty significant.
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PostSep 14, 2009#818

^That is especially shocking considering how many more people are unemployed and how bad economy is. Then again, who knows what is going on in the 'gang community' this year versus last. Unfortunately, we still have over 3 months left in the year.
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PostSep 14, 2009#819

DOGTOWNB&R wrote:^ Then again, who knows what is going on in the 'gang community' this year versus last. Unfortunately, we still have over 3 months left in the year.


Yes, but those 3 months is when the weather cools off and usually crime decreases.
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PostSep 14, 2009#820

Does anyone have any good information sources for safety tips, or common sense/street wise behaviors and good practices for city dwellers and especially visitors?



Stuff like, don't leave valuables in a parked car, walk briskly and confidently, carry cash separate from your wallet?



Here's one pretty decent article I could find regarding city safety tips in Milwaukee:



http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=54



thanks
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PostSep 14, 2009#821

^ Not sure, but you've pretty much hit it. I'd say it's commonsense, but I know for visitors it's not always obvious that they shouldn't leave a backpack on their front seat, etc.



Anyway, I've heard from a few neighborhood associations that crime is generally down, all crimes. This could end up being a very significant story for the city. Of course you'll still have those who just plain think that the city is dangerous and they won't be quiet until there are 0 murders...
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PostSep 14, 2009#822

Interesting:


Guardian Angels' founder scoping out St. Louis



ST. LOUIS -- Abdul "Sam" Samara, who runs a grocery in the city's Hyde Park neighborhood, said drive-by shootings and drug activity are rampant in that pocket of north St. Louis. He has been to 15 funerals in seven years.



"That's too many," Samara says. "They're my customers' kids or my customers. One of the boys got raised in this neighborhood, and I'd known him since he was 8 years old. He was killed one block from my store."



With that reality, Samara greets Guardian Angels' founder Curtis Sliwa as the cavalry of sorts. Samara thinks the volunteer crime-prevention group could do wonders if it took root in that St. Louis neighborhood. The Guardian Angels is a New York- based citizens group that seeks to reduce crime by using unarmed residents to patrol their own communities.



"I hear about them and what they did in New York and Chicago," Samara says. "I was waiting for him for years."


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PostSep 14, 2009#823

I don't know about other neighborhoods, but I know that the increase in crime in the Clayton-Tamm neighborhood has been a big topic at the meetings. In fact we now have a officer on a Vespa patrolling the alleys. He stopped by our business to introduce himself last week. One of our company vans was stolen twice this year. The first time was in May, but was only 3 blocks away, at Turtle Park, it was out of gas almost. They had left a stolen car from the Hill behind where our van was parked next to our building. They then stole another van from Turtle Park. This was all around 7:00 pm, daylight. Then the same van was stolen around Aug. 1, while we were on vacation, that has never been found, and we have since replaced it with a different make. The officers told us Dodge vans are the easiest to steal. This van had vanity plates and our logo on it. Who would of thought! There was an attempted burglary last week on Plateau and they chased them down towards the K-Mart but did not catch them. There have been a lot these burglaries in Dogtown recently. The economy is making people desperate.
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PostSep 14, 2009#824

Ironically, the guys who have been robbing places in Dogtown had used a Dodge Caravan. We caught them on tape. They tried to hit our alley again in a black Kia.


darkstar wrote:I don't know about other neighborhoods, but I know that the increase in crime in the Clayton-Tamm neighborhood has been a big topic at the meetings. In fact we now have a officer on a Vespa patrolling the alleys. He stopped by our business to introduce himself last week. One of our company vans was stolen twice this year. The first time was in May, but was only 3 blocks away, at Turtle Park, it was out of gas almost. They had left a stolen car from the Hill behind where our van was parked next to our building. They then stole another van from Turtle Park. This was all around 7:00 pm, daylight. Then the same van was stolen around Aug. 1, while we were on vacation, that has never been found, and we have since replaced it with a different make. The officers told us Dodge vans are the easiest to steal. This van had vanity plates and our logo on it. Who would of thought! There was an attempted burglary last week on Plateau and they chased them down towards the K-Mart but did not catch them. There have been a lot these burglaries in Dogtown recently. The economy is making people desperate.
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PostSep 15, 2009#825

I saw those pictures on here. It wasn't ours, wrong color, wrong license plates. But the police said they like mini vans due to the room to load people and stuff.. We now have a super deluxe club that they will have to cut the steering wheel in 4 places to remove. then there is not much steering wheel left. As my husband says "life in the city".
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