darkstar wrote:In fact we now have a officer on a Vespa patrolling the alleys
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. On a Vespa.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA. On a Vespa.
This is awesome.
The Drudge report had this on their front page.. linking to an STLTODAY story.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
Look at all the comments. No, even better... LOOK AT THE TITLE from Drudgereport.com
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Best thing is that the story has been updated to say that the Police Chef has apologized for calling it racially motivated as it now seems like it wasn't.
“It was premature on my part,” said Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax. “It was my personal and emotional comment after only seeing the video briefly.”
Really, that is awesome how even police chefs just wants to ASSume.
In case no one knows, the Drudge Report is like Fox News, only it trys to disguise itself as a new sources... wait thats what fox does as well... nm.
The Drudge report had this on their front page.. linking to an STLTODAY story.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
Look at all the comments. No, even better... LOOK AT THE TITLE from Drudgereport.com
Best thing is that the story has been updated to say that the Police Chef has apologized for calling it racially motivated as it now seems like it wasn't.
“It was premature on my part,” said Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax. “It was my personal and emotional comment after only seeing the video briefly.”
Really, that is awesome how even police chefs just wants to ASSume.
In case no one knows, the Drudge Report is like Fox News, only it trys to disguise itself as a new sources... wait thats what fox does as well... nm.
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I trust the Belleville police to decide if this was racially motivated before I trust the Neanderthals on the STLtoday forum.
Either way these kids need to be punished and the message needs to get out there that this kind of behavior is UNACCEPTABLE no matter who is doing it or why!
Either way these kids need to be punished and the message needs to get out there that this kind of behavior is UNACCEPTABLE no matter who is doing it or why!
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I certainly believe this was racially motivated, number one - because there was absolutely 0 reason for the beating. Yes, I do believe that had another black kid sat by this kid, it wouldn't have happened.
After all, let's look at the support for the "Jena 6" who beat a white kid down who was in no way involved with another attack that was considered "racially motivated" (whites beating up a black, of course), so Sharpton and thousands of jobless scum from around the nation took buses so they could march around the town demanding "justice." There were buses piling in to Jena from East St. Louis. Seriously.
But in this instance, since it is 2 black kids beating up a white kid, and as I can see here some libs are actually coming to the defense of the black kids saying it was not racially motivated, they are backing off of it immediately. I mean, we all know that no black person has ever beaten up a person that's white, just for being white.
It should be considered a racially motivated incident. No matter what the situation was, if the colors of the skin of the three involved were switched, the white kids would be hanging in front of the school today. They would be painted as Nazis in the media and they would probably have the book thrown at them. The liberals on this board would be mortified and Sharpton or Jackson would have already arrived in Belleville denouncing this obvious act of "hate."zink wrote:Really, that is awesome how even police chefs just wants to ASSume.
After all, let's look at the support for the "Jena 6" who beat a white kid down who was in no way involved with another attack that was considered "racially motivated" (whites beating up a black, of course), so Sharpton and thousands of jobless scum from around the nation took buses so they could march around the town demanding "justice." There were buses piling in to Jena from East St. Louis. Seriously.
But in this instance, since it is 2 black kids beating up a white kid, and as I can see here some libs are actually coming to the defense of the black kids saying it was not racially motivated, they are backing off of it immediately. I mean, we all know that no black person has ever beaten up a person that's white, just for being white.
A Fox News "joke." Very original!!! BAAAAHHHH!!!! :hyper:zink wrote:In case no one knows, the Drudge Report is like Fox News, only it trys to disguise itself as a new sources... wait thats what fox does as well... nm.
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If we don't know what sparked the incident why should it be considered racially motivated regardless of the situation?
Maybe the black kid who did the beating is just a bully and starts fights with kids of all races. Maybe the two had a beef that had nothing to do with race. It's still wrong, but maybe it's just wrong and not racially motivated.
Let's just look at the facts of the case and act accordingly, rather than inventing scenarios as to what would happen if it were reversed (which we cannot imagine what that would be if we don't know or speculating on what J. Jackson or Sharpton would do. The less time I spend thinking about those two the better.
Maybe the black kid who did the beating is just a bully and starts fights with kids of all races. Maybe the two had a beef that had nothing to do with race. It's still wrong, but maybe it's just wrong and not racially motivated.
Let's just look at the facts of the case and act accordingly, rather than inventing scenarios as to what would happen if it were reversed (which we cannot imagine what that would be if we don't know or speculating on what J. Jackson or Sharpton would do. The less time I spend thinking about those two the better.
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JuiceInDogtown wrote:
A Fox News "joke." Very original!!! BAAAAHHHH!!!! :hyper:zink wrote:In case no one knows, the Drudge Report is like Fox News, only it trys to disguise itself as a new sources... wait thats what fox does as well... nm.
Just brush it off. Is it really worth your trouble on a primarily liberal board?
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DeBaliviere wrote:^
The commenters seem to think this is all Obama's fault.
Apparently Rush Limbaugh has the same mindset of many of them--"In Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering,"
So who knows who said it first--either way they're all nuts!
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southsidepride wrote:Let's just look at the facts of the case and act accordingly, rather than inventing scenarios as to what would happen if it were reversed (which we cannot imagine what that would be if we don't know or speculating on what J. Jackson or Sharpton would do. The less time I spend thinking about those two the better.
You must be joking. The scenario doesn't have to be invented, it's happened a thousand times. It doesn't matter if it was truly racially motivated, because if the attackers were white, it wouldn't matter. We (whites) should not be held to a higher standard - it's a bit racist to do so, isn't it?
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^^ I've seen numerous movies at the Esquire where when a black guy beats up a a white guy or police officer the entire theatre erupts in applaus and racial slurs... This is nothing nothing new.
And I sometimes listen to Rush, not because I agree with everything he says but because he's wildly entertaining. I've never heard him be racist like that.
And I sometimes listen to Rush, not because I agree with everything he says but because he's wildly entertaining. I've never heard him be racist like that.
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Moorlander wrote:JuiceInDogtown wrote:
A Fox News "joke." Very original!!! BAAAAHHHH!!!! :hyper:zink wrote:In case no one knows, the Drudge Report is like Fox News, only it trys to disguise itself as a new sources... wait thats what fox does as well... nm.
Just brush it off. Is it really worth your trouble on a primarily liberal board?
You're right.
And crap like this is why I quit questioning people who move to the suburbs.Moorlander wrote:^^ I've seen numerous movies at the Esquire where when a black guy beats up a a white guy or police officer the entire theatre erupts in applaus and racial slurs... This is nothing nothing new.
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JuiceInDogtown wrote:southsidepride wrote:Let's just look at the facts of the case and act accordingly, rather than inventing scenarios as to what would happen if it were reversed (which we cannot imagine what that would be if we don't know or speculating on what J. Jackson or Sharpton would do. The less time I spend thinking about those two the better.
You must be joking. The scenario doesn't have to be invented, it's happened a thousand times. It doesn't matter if it was truly racially motivated, because if the attackers were white, it wouldn't matter. We (whites) should not be held to a higher standard - it's a bit racist to do so, isn't it?
And I find it appalling when Jackson and Sharpton do that kind of thing, so the last thing I want is a white version of those two--Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, coming here and saying this is all "part of Obama's America".
You seem to have a childish "well that's what would happen if it were reversed" attitude. Do two wrongs make a right?
And I hate to break it to you, but the Esquire is in the suburbs.
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Moorlander wrote:^^ I've seen numerous movies at the Esquire where when a black guy beats up a a white guy or police officer the entire theatre erupts in applaus and racial slurs... This is nothing nothing new.
I haven't seen a movie at the Esquire in 15 years. Will never go back.
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southsidepride wrote:And I hate to break it to you, but the Esquire is in the suburbs.
Esquire is in Richmond Heights. Yes, I know this. I drive past it every day and am well aware of where the city limits stop as I live about 4 blocks from McCausland. But it is close enough to the city that it is frequented by urban neanderthals who cheer when they see a white person or police officer beaten. It's what, a 10 minute bus ride? I can't explain why they go there, but they do. I highly doubt you see the same behaviors at a theater in Creve Coeur or Chesterfield.
You're right, two wrongs don't make a right. But...where are you when this is happening to white kids who beat up a black kid? Nobody in the media will be saying that this was wrong (that a white kid was charged with a hate crime). In other words, it's bound to happen time and time again. And time and time again, black people will be let off of the hate-crime hook. This is ongoing, not a "oh, well they accidentally charged that one white kid with a hate crime that one time, but it will never happen again" situation.southsidepride wrote:You seem to have a childish "well that's what would happen if it were reversed" attitude. Do two wrongs make a right?
So with this argument, you are suggesting that whites should be held to a higher standard? Oops...you're racist!
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I saw Benjamin Buttons at the Esquire the week between Christmas and New Year's. It wasn't a raucus crowd, it was an afternoon show though.
There are a lot of movies that I won't see there on a weekend evening though because I actually want to hear the actor's dialogue rather than the audience's.
And I would say that the Chase and Moolah (both in the city and easily accessible on bus routes) tend to have better behaved audiences than many theatres in the suburbs. Ronnie's in particular is overrun with SoCo kids on the weekends.
There are a lot of movies that I won't see there on a weekend evening though because I actually want to hear the actor's dialogue rather than the audience's.
And I would say that the Chase and Moolah (both in the city and easily accessible on bus routes) tend to have better behaved audiences than many theatres in the suburbs. Ronnie's in particular is overrun with SoCo kids on the weekends.
As for "hate crimes", no I don't think whites need to be held to a higher standard. We all need to be held to the same standard and not every attack that happens to involve people of different races is necessarily due to race.
If it were a bus full of white kids attacking one black kid I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Regardless of skin color the person or people who performed the assault (and cheered) need to be punished and a message needs to be sent that this behavior is absolutely unacceptable. But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it is a hate crime.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson may think so, but that doesn't mean I do.
As far as it happening "time and time again" jumping to the conclusion that it is will only keep that cycle going.
It's 2009, isn't it time to get beyond this?
It has to start somewhere, and yelling "they started it so we can do it too" won't get us there.
If it were a bus full of white kids attacking one black kid I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Regardless of skin color the person or people who performed the assault (and cheered) need to be punished and a message needs to be sent that this behavior is absolutely unacceptable. But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it is a hate crime.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson may think so, but that doesn't mean I do.
As far as it happening "time and time again" jumping to the conclusion that it is will only keep that cycle going.
It's 2009, isn't it time to get beyond this?
It has to start somewhere, and yelling "they started it so we can do it too" won't get us there.
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It's been going on for decades, back and forth. My posting on an internet forum can not and will not change the course of history or the future.southsidepride wrote:As far as it happening "time and time again" jumping to the conclusion that it is will only keep that cycle going.
Totally agreed.southsidepride wrote:It's 2009, isn't it time to get beyond this?
Once again, with Sharpton and Jackson around, who make their living off of these "controversies" (they are silent on this one for some reason..hm..), it would be a one-sided attempt to stop the abuse of the race card.southsidepride wrote:It has to start somewhere, and yelling "they started it so we can do it too" won't get us there.
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JuiceInDogtown wrote:[Once again, with Sharpton and Jackson around, who make their living off of these "controversies" (they are silent on this one for some reason..hm..), it would be a one-sided attempt to stop the abuse of the race card.
And if the situation were reversed do you think Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck would comment on it?
All four of them are demogogues playing to their constituency. It's just that two of them happen to be on one side, the other two on the flip side of the same crappy coin that oughta be tossed out!
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southsidepride wrote:JuiceInDogtown wrote:[Once again, with Sharpton and Jackson around, who make their living off of these "controversies" (they are silent on this one for some reason..hm..), it would be a one-sided attempt to stop the abuse of the race card.
And if the situation were reversed do you think Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck would comment on it?
All four of them are demogogues playing to their constituency. It's just that two of them happen to be on one side, the other two on the flip side of the same crappy coin that oughta be tossed out!
I don't think Beck or Limbaugh would comment on it if the end result was expected to be the same as it would be if the skins were reversed. If this was just another story, no. And if this were getting the airplay that 2 white students would get for pounding on a black kid, there would be no reason for them to comment. Beck and Limbaugh are covering it because no one else will.
[searched "belleville school bus beating _______" on google]
Searched CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, and CBS in the ________ spot - found one article, from CBS. If others covered it, I'm not finding it with these search terms. If they are out there, please correct me.
No, us conservatards have created a fictional "liberal media."
And I have no clue what Limbaugh's comment was about, because we all know this kind of thing was happening decades before Obama got in to office.
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[quote="JuiceInDogtown
And I have no clue what Limbaugh's comment was about, because we all know this kind of thing was happening decades before Obama got in to office.[/quote]
I think it's pretty clear what Limbaugh's objective here is. Tear down Obama by any means necessary, if that includes ridiculously playing on people's racial fears by maintaining that this kind of thing will happen more and more in "Obama's America", so be it. And Beck is the one who claims Obama "has a deep seated hatred of white people", even though his mother was white.
These guys play on race every bit as much as Sharpton and Jackson do IMO.
Honestly I don't see why this story, in it's current context SHOULD be national news. If it weren't videotaped it wouldn't be.
And yes I would say the same thing if the skins were reversed and we knew the same about the situation as we do now.
And I have no clue what Limbaugh's comment was about, because we all know this kind of thing was happening decades before Obama got in to office.[/quote]
I think it's pretty clear what Limbaugh's objective here is. Tear down Obama by any means necessary, if that includes ridiculously playing on people's racial fears by maintaining that this kind of thing will happen more and more in "Obama's America", so be it. And Beck is the one who claims Obama "has a deep seated hatred of white people", even though his mother was white.
These guys play on race every bit as much as Sharpton and Jackson do IMO.
Honestly I don't see why this story, in it's current context SHOULD be national news. If it weren't videotaped it wouldn't be.
And yes I would say the same thing if the skins were reversed and we knew the same about the situation as we do now.
JuiceInDogtown wrote:I certainly believe this was racially motivated, number one - because there was absolutely 0 reason for the beating. Yes, I do believe that had another black kid sat by this kid, it wouldn't have happened.
It should be considered a racially motivated incident. No matter what the situation was, if the colors of the skin of the three involved were switched, the white kids would be hanging in front of the school today. They would be painted as Nazis in the media and they would probably have the book thrown at them. The liberals on this board would be mortified and Sharpton or Jackson would have already arrived in Belleville denouncing this obvious act of "hate."zink wrote:Really, that is awesome how even police chefs just wants to ASSume.
After all, let's look at the support for the "Jena 6" who beat a white kid down who was in no way involved with another attack that was considered "racially motivated" (whites beating up a black, of course), so Sharpton and thousands of jobless scum from around the nation took buses so they could march around the town demanding "justice." There were buses piling in to Jena from East St. Louis. Seriously.
But in this instance, since it is 2 black kids beating up a white kid, and as I can see here some libs are actually coming to the defense of the black kids saying it was not racially motivated, they are backing off of it immediately. I mean, we all know that no black person has ever beaten up a person that's white, just for being white.
A Fox News "joke." Very original!!! BAAAAHHHH!!!! :hyper:zink wrote:In case no one knows, the Drudge Report is like Fox News, only it trys to disguise itself as a new sources... wait thats what fox does as well... nm.
I went to high school in Belleville. This has been politically transformed into something it wasn't, and has been used as an excuse to suggest an alternative reality for delusional morons. The Belleville Police stated it wasn't racially motivated, after (go figure), they impulsively stated it was. A black boy even came to defense of the kid who was bullied . I can tell you, from my experience in a Belleville High School, the bullies, and the bullied, weren't more or less dominated by a particular race.
The most obnoxious thing is to hear the ignorant perspectives of political voices taking advantage of this situation, and using it to fuel their stupidity.
When I was in high school there, it was a black kid who defended me when a new kid from South Carolina tried to make fun of me for being Mexican.
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southsidepride wrote:
And yes I would say the same thing if the skins were reversed and we knew the same about the situation as we do now.
I have no doubt that you would, because you have common sense. I, too, am able to tell a difference in a fight between races, and a racial beating. Our media may catch on one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
Xing wrote:
A black boy even came to defense of the kid who was bullied .
Watch the video again. The boy who "came to the defense" was the one who started it. Probably because he might have come to his senses that he was being videotaped.
There is no excuse for any of this BS. And I only hope the kid who was beaten sues the attacker and his family into oblivion.
http://videos.stltoday.com/p/video?id=6172583
Unacceptable.
gopher wrote:Xing wrote:
A black boy even came to defense of the kid who was bullied .
Watch the video again. The boy who "came to the defense" was the one who started it. Probably because he might have come to his senses that he was being videotaped.
There is no excuse for any of this BS. And I only hope the kid who was beaten sues the attacker and his family into oblivion.
http://videos.stltoday.com/p/video?id=6172583
Unacceptable.
I'm not defending the act. I'm defending the assumption that it was racially motivated. The act was absolutely inexcusable.