What!!!!!!!i,Iive,to,draw wrote:This is why companies don't move downtown
http://fox2now.com/2014/11/04/attorney- ... -st-louis/
Unfortunately, I have to agree. While this crap happens only occasionally, it happens way more downtown than it does in Clayton or some really boring office park. If a company attributes crime as a reason for not locating downtown, it would be hard to argue against that.
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The fact that this stuff occasionally happens in other cities doesn't make me feel any better. I know the guy in this story. I've always defended St. Louis and scoffed at claims of it being "too dangerous," but the last several weeks have me rethinking that. We simply have too many thugs out roaming the streets and wreaking terror on good people.
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i know this might get me heat on here, but i think every good person in the city needs to carry and shoot to kill any criminal, the only good thug is a dead thug.
On last month crime report crime is down In downtown 3.4 % and downwest 7% so crime is going down so I don't think crime is out of control (had not seen oct numbers yet) but the problem is downtown has 3 sides with nothing but section 8 housing. So in a way downtown is an island in a sea. Overtime waves wash up on the beach. So we need to tare down all the section 8 housing around downtown in city.Anglophile wrote:The fact that this stuff occasionally happens in other cities doesn't make me feel any better. I know the guy in this story. I've always defended St. Louis and scoffed at claims of it being "too dangerous," but the last several weeks have me rethinking that. We simply have too many thugs out roaming the streets and wreaking terror on good people.
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This rarely occurs. And yes it does occur in other cities. Same thing happened to Gavin DeGraw in NYC.
The thing that floors me, is the fact no one is around to witness and criminals have the confidence they won't be seen because pedestrian activity is so sparse at 5pm on a workday. If we had more pedestrians, it may deter this from happening. Eyes on the street make a safe street.
The thing that floors me, is the fact no one is around to witness and criminals have the confidence they won't be seen because pedestrian activity is so sparse at 5pm on a workday. If we had more pedestrians, it may deter this from happening. Eyes on the street make a safe street.
Time for more cameras everywhere downtown. London style.
20 years minimum for first time mugging offense. I want STL city to have the harshest laws in the country. Double for a second offense.
I'm thinking about getting my concealed carry.
Now I'll really think twice about seeing packs of teenagers walking in groups when I'm downtown alone walking in even broad daylight. And we wonder why this city left in mass for the county. Hate to say it, I love the city more than anyone.
20 years minimum for first time mugging offense. I want STL city to have the harshest laws in the country. Double for a second offense.
I'm thinking about getting my concealed carry.
Now I'll really think twice about seeing packs of teenagers walking in groups when I'm downtown alone walking in even broad daylight. And we wonder why this city left in mass for the county. Hate to say it, I love the city more than anyone.
The county is not looking much better to crime wish look at some of the crimes that happen in Kirkwood my neighbor about a month ago was robed during a home invasion.jcity wrote:Time for more cameras everywhere downtown. London style.
20 years minimum for first time mugging offense. I want STL city to have the harshest laws in the country. Double for a second offense.
I'm thinking about getting my concealed carry.
Now I'll really think twice about seeing packs of teenagers walking in groups when I'm downtown alone walking in even broad daylight. And we wonder why this city left in mass for the county. Hate to say it, I love the city more than anyone.
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I agree. I think cameras are the way to go. In London they even have restrictions on what you can wear--nothing covering your face or obstructing a clear view of it. I know it's a little 1984, but the way I see it the only people who have anything to fear are those who are up to no good. I would be perfectly happy to smile for the cameras if it would lower my risk of getting my face smashed in.jcity wrote:Time for more cameras everywhere downtown. London style.
20 years minimum for first time mugging offense. I want STL city to have the harshest laws in the country. Double for a second offense.
I'm thinking about getting my concealed carry.
Now I'll really think twice about seeing packs of teenagers walking in groups when I'm downtown alone walking in even broad daylight. And we wonder why this city left in mass for the county. Hate to say it, I love the city more than anyone.
No.i,Iive,to,draw wrote:i know this might get me heat on here, but i think every good person in the city needs to carry and shoot to kill any criminal, the only good thug is a dead thug.
The fact that this beating occurred at freaking RUSH HOUR in the middle of downtown and presumably no one was around to witness it reveals the the sad reality of our CBD, which has to be one of the most desolate city centers in the United States. I mean, walk down Locust Street in the middle of a business day, and you're likely to not pass a single pedestrian for blocks. I've done this many times and it's truly sad. The emptiness of downtown I think damages our national image more than our crime rate, considering that 75% of visitors to the city probably stay downtown and don't venture into the neighborhoods, and their impression is that St. Louis lacks a pulse.
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There WERE witnesses around though. The issue is that the criminals have become especially brazen in the last several weeks. I'm trying to think of some kind of social condition that could have caused this. Something different since August 9. Any ideas, anyone?
RE CAMERAS:
We bought some 1080p outdoor security cameras for our house (LaView brand) as well as a security system (Simplisafe).
The cameras a pretty awesome and detail is amazing. It definitely makes me "feel" safer. I have mentioned this NUMEROUS times on this forum. Why cant we get Boeing Defense to experiment with some type of camera system for downtown. The publicity of just having the cameras installed i would hope would deter more of these types of crimes.
We bought some 1080p outdoor security cameras for our house (LaView brand) as well as a security system (Simplisafe).
The cameras a pretty awesome and detail is amazing. It definitely makes me "feel" safer. I have mentioned this NUMEROUS times on this forum. Why cant we get Boeing Defense to experiment with some type of camera system for downtown. The publicity of just having the cameras installed i would hope would deter more of these types of crimes.
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When the police are again perceived as a credible threat by serious criminals, this latest wave will stop. It's the perception of hesitant police by criminals that are causing the wave of violence. This is about the legitimacy of the police.
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Last night i was walking my dog around the neighborhood (southhampon) walked by a house on Devonshire (about 5-6 houses down from Big River) there was an older couple maybe in their early 60s unloading those big moving containers...they asked to pet my dog (he is a 135lbs Great Pyrenees so im always getting stopped when i walk him)...anyway got to talking with them, they moved here last weekend from the shores of maryland.....i was floored to hear that...asked them why here and why the city...the wife said her brother lives here and they always liked it when they visited, said all the news about crime was never a big worry. 
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And that's the case for most outsiders. Crime paralyzes people originally from STL.dbInSouthCity wrote:Last night i was walking my dog around the neighborhood (southhampon) walked by a house on Devonshire (about 5-6 houses down from Big River) there was an older couple maybe in their early 60s unloading those big moving containers...they asked to pet my dog (he is a 135lbs Great Pyrenees so im always getting stopped when i walk him)...anyway got to talking with them, they moved here last weekend from the shores of maryland.....i was floored to hear that...asked them why here and why the city...the wife said he brother lives here and they always liked it when they visited, said all the news about crime was never a big worry.
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The following is a true story either unreported - to my knowledge - possibly because of the age of the offenders or covered up as to not bring bad publicity.
This happened last Saturday (or maybe the previous Saturday). I was told this by a witness and I forget which Saturday.
Two young Chinese girls from out of town were leaving Culinaria at 7PM with a few bags. They were attacked by a group of six young black females. Hair pulled, hit in the face, kicked and beaten. They were bleeding badly. Several witnesses watched in horror.
Just letting you know.
This happened last Saturday (or maybe the previous Saturday). I was told this by a witness and I forget which Saturday.
Two young Chinese girls from out of town were leaving Culinaria at 7PM with a few bags. They were attacked by a group of six young black females. Hair pulled, hit in the face, kicked and beaten. They were bleeding badly. Several witnesses watched in horror.
Just letting you know.
Obviously it's easy to sit here and say you'd do differently, but this seems like another problem.leeharveyawesome wrote: Several witnesses watched in horror.
Ok, this is for anyone to answer.
What would be your tipping point to say '***** it, I'm moving to the county'.?
What would be your tipping point to say '***** it, I'm moving to the county'.?
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literally nothing. Crime will NOT change my love for our city. Ive been held up at gun point next to Peppers on Gravios and never even thought about moving.erina wrote:Ok, this is for anyone to answer.
What would be your tipping point to say 'f*** it, I'm moving to the county'.?
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I am not moving under any circumstances. That reinforces the problem. Collaborate as a community and make your city better.
If I moved it would be to another city.
If I moved it would be to another city.
I don't see anything making me move either. I worry about the safety of my girlfriend, and I suppose that could influence what neighborhood I chose, but I'm not leaving the city ever*. (*-Setting absolutes for the future is silly, but that's certainly what I hope will be the case.)
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Ditto. Grew up in St. Charles but won't go back there unless I'm involuntarily buried there: )
If I leave the city it will mean I'm leaving the region entirely.
Staying here, staying involved, digging in, and pushing for change (and tougher policing and sentences)
Also staying aware and safe without letting the hysteria take control.
If I leave the city it will mean I'm leaving the region entirely.
Staying here, staying involved, digging in, and pushing for change (and tougher policing and sentences)
Also staying aware and safe without letting the hysteria take control.
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It would take something happening to a close friend to make me move. But even then I would probably go to SW City (STL Hills, Southampton, etc.) before the County.
I wish I live in the city but sadly when I first got here my real estate agent keep on steering me in to the county I ask about downtown and and she tole me it was all boarded up and this happen 3 years ago. So being new I believed her and settled in Kirkwood now I feel I would not be able to sell my house for what I payed for it and I am stuck in a town were the downtown is for middle age house wives. Crime is not to much of an issue for me after being robed in NYC and DC buy gun point.