Agree 100% I would not mind hanging them off the new bridge might as well get our money worth out the bridge for what a bust that was.. I don't think the police are standing down I Think what happing is the criminals are just like I don't give a F*** if I get caught or shot. So they are just doing the crimes anyway. We must remember that over all crime is still down and on the next monthly crime report would tell is there is any jump cause of Ferguson.onecity wrote:I'm totally okay with the police roughing up violent offenders. They've earned it. The gangtrash of STL deserves only the most exquisite level of police brutality.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slopeonecity wrote:I'm totally okay with the police roughing up violent offenders. They've earned it. The gangtrash of STL deserves only the most exquisite level of police brutality.
Surely it wasn't intentional but this conjures up some unsettling historical imagery, especially if you think about what happened across that river 100 years ago. Let's leave the medieval punishments behind...Redbrickcity wrote: Agree 100% I would not mind hanging them off the new bridge might as well get our money worth out the bridge for what a bust that was..
http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/3-men-sh ... 17381.html
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Two-men- ... 88521.html
Seems like gun crimes in the whole region are out of control and Ferguson is having a lot more they they use to.
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Two-men- ... 88521.html
Seems like gun crimes in the whole region are out of control and Ferguson is having a lot more they they use to.
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I completely disagree with this just extremely harsh i'll leave it at that. I do agree that there should be a relative high level of punishment for these acts of unjustifiable crimes that have been ongoing here but hanging someone just rubs me in the wrong way possible.Redbrickcity wrote:Agree 100% I would not mind hanging them off the new bridge might as well get our money worth out the bridge for what a bust that was.. I don't think the police are standing down I Think what happing is the criminals are just like I don't give a F*** if I get caught or shot. So they are just doing the crimes anyway. We must remember that over all crime is still down and on the next monthly crime report would tell is there is any jump cause of Ferguson.onecity wrote:I'm totally okay with the police roughing up violent offenders. They've earned it. The gangtrash of STL deserves only the most exquisite level of police brutality.
This is what I was thinking of.wustl_eng wrote:Surely it wasn't intentional but this conjures up some unsettling historical imagery, especially if you think about what happened across that river 100 years ago. Let's leave the medieval punishments behind...Redbrickcity wrote: Agree 100% I would not mind hanging them off the new bridge might as well get our money worth out the bridge for what a bust that was..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_o ... .D._Nelson
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wow I did not notice really what I said sorry If I offended anyone or made you up set. I did not mean it in any racial why or context.wustl_eng wrote:Surely it wasn't intentional but this conjures up some unsettling historical imagery, especially if you think about what happened across that river 100 years ago. Let's leave the medieval punishments behind...Redbrickcity wrote: Agree 100% I would not mind hanging them off the new bridge might as well get our money worth out the bridge for what a bust that was..
There were gunshots just behind my building (perhaps the alley, perhaps the next block south) Saturday night in TGS. It's my first time being close enough to hear them. It wasn't a good feeling.
I can't imagine living in one of the neighborhoods where this is a regular occurrence.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's been any sort of report about what happened, which just makes me feel all the more uneasy.
I can't imagine living in one of the neighborhoods where this is a regular occurrence.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's been any sort of report about what happened, which just makes me feel all the more uneasy.
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^ Same thing happened in my neck of the TGS woods about two weeks ago.... best I can tell from neighbors is there was an argument b/w a homeowner and a visitor maybe about owing money and the visitor popped some shots off then sped off. Witness thought it was a white guy. But again no media reports and this is all second-hand stuff.
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Did you call the police IMMEDIATELY? The police need as much info as they can get. You are helping them do their job when you inform them about everything suspect that you see.jstriebel wrote:There were gunshots just behind my building (perhaps the alley, perhaps the next block south) Saturday night in TGS. It's my first time being close enough to hear them. It wasn't a good feeling.
I can't imagine living in one of the neighborhoods where this is a regular occurrence.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's been any sort of report about what happened, which just makes me feel all the more uneasy.
^
It took me about 5 minutes to call probably, as I honestly didn't know the protocol. (Now I do—the more info they have the better, whatever it is) I had nothing to report except hearing the shots. But I did call. And the dispatcher said he had already had a number of calls reporting the same thing.
Although I never noticed the police presence afterwards, I saw on Facebook someone mention that they did come out pretty quickly. No idea if they were able to determine anything.
It took me about 5 minutes to call probably, as I honestly didn't know the protocol. (Now I do—the more info they have the better, whatever it is) I had nothing to report except hearing the shots. But I did call. And the dispatcher said he had already had a number of calls reporting the same thing.
Although I never noticed the police presence afterwards, I saw on Facebook someone mention that they did come out pretty quickly. No idea if they were able to determine anything.
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^ police may not have used sirens when they came.... they responded pretty quickly and silently in the other TGS incident I mentioned. Folks must have lit up 9-1-1 as it was busy when I called.
Yeah, I actually ended up calling the non-emergency line. I'm not sure what's right, but I felt like I didn't have a personal emergency, nor did I even know if there was one for sure, so I didn't dial 9-1-1. I'm sure it would have been okay if I had, though.
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The police may not share with you how they use your info. but they do use it. Today, police analyze the location and time patterns of reports of activity with sophisticated software to plan their work. You get more attention for your area the more credible info. you give the police.jstriebel wrote:Yeah, I actually ended up calling the non-emergency line. I'm not sure what's right, but I felt like I didn't have a personal emergency, nor did I even know if there was one for sure, so I didn't dial 9-1-1. I'm sure it would have been okay if I had, though.
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^For what it's worth, many times the non-emergency calls are routed to the same dispatch as 911. They just get a different notation when you're calling and if they're busy you might have to wait a bit before getting a dispatcher. If you call non-emergency and the person says "911 dispatch" then you get the idea.
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I live in Carondelet west of I-55 and I probably hear shots once or twice a month. The more that people call in, the easier it is for police to pinpoint the area of activity, so I recommend always calling in whenever you hear gunshots.MatthewHall wrote:Did you call the police IMMEDIATELY? The police need as much info as they can get. You are helping them do their job when you inform them about everything suspect that you see.jstriebel wrote:There were gunshots just behind my building (perhaps the alley, perhaps the next block south) Saturday night in TGS. It's my first time being close enough to hear them. It wasn't a good feeling.
I can't imagine living in one of the neighborhoods where this is a regular occurrence.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's been any sort of report about what happened, which just makes me feel all the more uneasy.
I feel like you may be over thinking that. Just call 911; you pay for it.jstriebel wrote:Yeah, I actually ended up calling the non-emergency line. I'm not sure what's right, but I felt like I didn't have a personal emergency, nor did I even know if there was one for sure, so I didn't dial 9-1-1. I'm sure it would have been okay if I had, though.
I categorically disagree with this. Furthermore, it seems you may disagree too as a later post of yours reiterated how these events when reported to police are heavily analyzed for leads/suspects/time/place etc.MatthewHall wrote:Criminals are taking advantage of the fact that the police don't want to be charged with excessive force. For the police point of view, it's much safer wait to clean up the blood after the crime than to risk being charged with excessive force trying to stop a criminal. I thought this was self-evident. Are there people in St. Louis who DON'T realize this is what is going on?ttricamo wrote:There is a full on killing spree happening in STL city. What is going on? I can't believe the police chief and the mayor haven't said anything. They were all over the TV for the Shaw fiasco.dweebe wrote:One dead in a shooting by the Arena Liquor on Hampton.
Happy Halloween St. Louis.
Your assumption seems like the broadest brush stroke possible: someone was killed in a horribly murky situation in August: police as a response stop policing: criminals pick up on this and start killing more...ALL OVER ST LOUIS. With all due respect, you've put together this theory, it seems, by watching way too much Anderson Cooper and following that up with STL Today articles. You've also managed to completely discount any data from these events in terms of people involved, their illicit activity, the location of these crimes, etc.
Again, I completely disagree with your inflammatory, half-baked, kind of snarky, wholesale comment.
That said, I would love for an actual law enforcement official to provide their interpretation of this situation.
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"Again, I completely disagree with your inflammatory, half-baked, kind of snarky, wholesale comment.
That said, I would love for an actual law enforcement official to provide their interpretation of this situation."
Again, thanks for the kinds words, but I'm just a simply ordinary citizen doing my bit for my community. I don't do it for the praise. I support people engaging the police so that they get back to work and serious criminals start to take them seriously again. The police are all over TV to reestablish their reputation. What IS causing the crime wave in your view?
That said, I would love for an actual law enforcement official to provide their interpretation of this situation."
Again, thanks for the kinds words, but I'm just a simply ordinary citizen doing my bit for my community. I don't do it for the praise. I support people engaging the police so that they get back to work and serious criminals start to take them seriously again. The police are all over TV to reestablish their reputation. What IS causing the crime wave in your view?
The short answer is, "I don't know." Mathematically speaking, there has to be a double digit amount of "factors" at play here. Could Ferguson be one of those factors? Sure. However, there are other factors at work and probably a large portion of which are purposely not shared by the police in order to retain some level of covert operation. The latter point I always teeter with. Is it more important to manage the fear of the general public or retain some level of advantage in secrecy?
I saw that article. It seems like it's 1 step forward, 5 steps back with this crap.
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Then how do we explain why PEOPLE do move downtown?i,Iive,to,draw wrote:This is why companies don't move downtown
http://fox2now.com/2014/11/04/attorney- ... -st-louis/
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People move there for the urban life style but I think crime stories like this do keep some potential, people and business away though.
This news is never good but it dose happen in other cities to. But it hurts our downtown more due to it's slow growth. Compared to DC for instance. The city needs a downtown crime and job plan. Consecrate on the start ups and beat cops.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/cri ... story.html
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