Multiple shots fired nearer the south side of Lafayette Park. Fifteen minutes later no sirens.....
No sirens would actually be a good thing. Sirens would be heard if someone got shot. Otherwise, police will typically respond to calls of shots fired with no lights or sirens. Did you report it?
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I put on the Tunein radio police scanner a couple minutes after I decided it was gunshots, there was at least 5 from one gun and three or four from another. Scanner said shots at Mississippi and Geyer where I imagine there were quite a few people who called it in.
Hate to be crime thread poster guy but you might want to know someone got shot at Connecticut and Gustine right near Tower Grove park. Seems there's been a rash of perps that have zero skills or brains to execute a simple robbery. Instead they just quickly botch the robbery then shoot someone. In this case it was a 65 year old woman. No link, too lazy.
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How effing stupid can you be? Ridiculous.The victim began yelling for help and the suspects fled. Police say as they continued to run down the street, the armed suspect turned and fired one shot.
Are STL city murders still at 96 for the year or did RFT stop counting? I haven't heard of any since Ashley Moorhead on Cherokee, but I wasn't sure.
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^I was just trying to find out the current number this morning too. If you take that 96 and extrapolate it out (which isn't even all that accurate because there's always more violence in the warm summer months) we're trending quite a bit down from recent years, even with some of the high profile stuff that's gone down this year.
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^^FYI, SLMPD reports 98 homicides through October 2012. http://www.slmpd.org/crimestats/CRM0005-E_20121105.pdf Last year we had 103 at the same point and finished the year with 113.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that our homicide rate was on track for sub-40 per 100,000 residents for 2012, which it looks like it will hold true. Again, for me the bigger story is that index crime is also down dramatically this year compared to last year. At this point last year, SLMPD reported 26,844 index crimes; this year it's 23,425, which is a 12.7% decline.
Here's the really big news (just ran the numbers on it): if we add last year's numbers for total index crime for November and December to this year's numbers, St. Louis will have a total crime rate of sub-9000, which is the best rate since 1967 and the first since then to be sub-10000.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that our homicide rate was on track for sub-40 per 100,000 residents for 2012, which it looks like it will hold true. Again, for me the bigger story is that index crime is also down dramatically this year compared to last year. At this point last year, SLMPD reported 26,844 index crimes; this year it's 23,425, which is a 12.7% decline.
Here's the really big news (just ran the numbers on it): if we add last year's numbers for total index crime for November and December to this year's numbers, St. Louis will have a total crime rate of sub-9000, which is the best rate since 1967 and the first since then to be sub-10000.
What may be equally important is the ratio of arrests and convictions for yearly crimes -- in particular, violent crimes and murders. That stat, combined with crime rate #s, will paint a clearer picture.
And the rate of successful arrests/convictions probably positively affects the overall #s.
And the rate of successful arrests/convictions probably positively affects the overall #s.
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Hmmm...counting up monthly reports through October results in 96 homicides. When I can reconcile this, I'll change the graph if need be.
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Thanks. Still waiting to see if SLMPD can clarify 96 v 98 from different reports.
If this continues for three more days, it will have been one full month without a single homicide. How often does that happen?
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^Knock on wood.
August to September 2003.
August to September 2003.
CITY HOMICIDES DROP SIGNIFICANTLY - AGGRESSIVE POLICING AND PROSECUTION ARE CITED AS FACTORS
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (MO) - Tuesday, September 23, 2003
Author: Bill Bryan Of The Post-Dispatch Tim Rowden, Susan Weich, Paul Hampel, Terry Hillig And Robert Goodrich Of The Post-Dispatch Contributed To This Report.
Nobody noticed except the St. Louis police. But on Sept. 11, as the nation mourned tragedy from two years before, the city homicide squad quietly enjoyed a most unusual milestone: 30 days without a murder.
That's as far as it got. Someone did get killed Sept. 12. But it was a remarkable run nonetheless for a city with a homicide rate that often ranks among the nation's highest.
It won't be that way this year, if the current trend holds.
Through Sunday, there have been 56 homicides this year -- 28 fewer than at this time last year and 58 fewer than this time two years ago.
St. Louis is on pace to register fewer than 80 killings for the entire year, which would be a 41-year low. In 1962, there were 69 killings -- the last time there were under 100.
The city had averaged 166 murders a year for the past 10 years.
"I'm amazed," St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce said, reacting to the figures.
Capt. Harry Hegger, commander of the Crimes Against Persons division, which investigates the killings, said, "I can't ever recall going a full month without a homicide . It's a hard thing to check on, but nobody else seems to recall such a dry spell, either."
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^The city only ended up with 73 murders that year. Remarkable. That's well less than half of 2008, which is one of the worst in recent memory with 167.
The interesting thing, however, is that other, mostly non-violent, crimes were still awfully high. There were twice as many auto thefts in 2003 versus 2008.
Can that really be ascribed to differences in city priorities? I don't know. Sometimes it feels far more random than that.
The interesting thing, however, is that other, mostly non-violent, crimes were still awfully high. There were twice as many auto thefts in 2003 versus 2008.
Can that really be ascribed to differences in city priorities? I don't know. Sometimes it feels far more random than that.
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Bill McClellan has had enough and he's not going to take it anymore:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/colu ... 1e5f1.html
Don't you wish the city had the guts to take a stand on crime and REALLY crack down? I disagree with Mr. McClellan on one of his points: we need to do better at enforcing all laws, not just gun laws.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/colu ... 1e5f1.html
Don't you wish the city had the guts to take a stand on crime and REALLY crack down? I disagree with Mr. McClellan on one of his points: we need to do better at enforcing all laws, not just gun laws.
WelpPost by onecity » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:01 pm
If this continues for three more days, it will have been one full month without a single homicide. How often does that happen?
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... _mobil.php
Well that's got to be one of the stupidest, most offensive things Bill's ever written (and that's saying something).Mark Groth wrote:Bill McClellan has had enough and he's not going to take it anymore:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/colu ... 1e5f1.html
Don't you wish the city had the guts to take a stand on crime and REALLY crack down? I disagree with Mr. McClellan on one of his points: we need to do better at enforcing all laws, not just gun laws.
Aside from being about as anti-American as you can get (eh, Constitution. Who needs that old thing?) it's also flat out wrong. You're not going to make things in this city better by creating an entirely new generation of people who both loathe and fear the police in a way never before seen.
It's not working in New York and it won't work here. Good way to start a damn race war though.
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2012051 ... xperts-say
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/opini ... ss&emc=rss
http://www.thenation.com/article/170413 ... mutt-video
http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-just ... -practices
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Yeah, I'm not sure McClellan has thought through the status of crime and might be allowing recent high-profile crimes to cloud his judgment. The time for a so-called crime czar would have been the early 1990s or the mid-2000s, not now. As for his historical precedent, Smoke Commissioner Tucker was not taking draconian measures to address the smog problem (although they were unpopular). People still could burn coal, just not the dirty-burn Illinois coal (that was cheap). Real solutions work, not knee-jerk solutions like those espoused by STLtoday commentators and commenters.
If you want a real solution, here is one:
1,350 police officers work for the SLMPD, but this will drop to 1,265 by the end of the fiscal year (see http://stlouis-mo.gov/government/depart ... 3-1912.pdf). Hire 200 officers and deploy them strategically to hotspot duty. Make a precondition of their contract that the police chief can alter their work schedules at any time and for any reason. At $60,000 for training, benefits and salary, that comes to roughly $12 million.
How do you pay for that? Eliminate all of these and pay property tax to the county. http://stlouis-mo.gov/government/depart ... 1-1012.pdf We spend $14.5 million on county offices that are instantly redundant through reentry. That's 200 officers on the street to fight crime and another $2.5 million in tax savings.
Suspend the Constitution? Stupid.
Reenter the County? Smart.
If you want a real solution, here is one:
1,350 police officers work for the SLMPD, but this will drop to 1,265 by the end of the fiscal year (see http://stlouis-mo.gov/government/depart ... 3-1912.pdf). Hire 200 officers and deploy them strategically to hotspot duty. Make a precondition of their contract that the police chief can alter their work schedules at any time and for any reason. At $60,000 for training, benefits and salary, that comes to roughly $12 million.
How do you pay for that? Eliminate all of these and pay property tax to the county. http://stlouis-mo.gov/government/depart ... 1-1012.pdf We spend $14.5 million on county offices that are instantly redundant through reentry. That's 200 officers on the street to fight crime and another $2.5 million in tax savings.
Suspend the Constitution? Stupid.
Reenter the County? Smart.
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So running with your idea regarding the 200 new hires, do you really want 200 brand new police officers out there, dealing with the worst criminals and taking on the most serious crime? Officer schedules are already changed quite often and it's hard on em.
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^I would rather have 200 "brand new" police officers than negative 100 officers dealing with crime in the city.
Not sure I understand your position.
Not sure I understand your position.