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PostNov 15, 2012#2526

flopoerich wrote:So running with your idea regarding the 200 new hires, do you really want 200 brand new police officers out there, dealing with the worst criminals and taking on the most serious crime? Officer schedules are already changed quite often and it's hard on em.
Sure I do. And I'd rather have 200 new officers than 100 fewer.

And I know that officer schedules change often already, but the union contract about 30 day notice for change of schedules was a major point of contention regarding the recent strategy (described here: http://www.kmov.com/news/local/St-Louis ... 10045.html). For the "contention" see http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... afacb.html.

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PostNov 15, 2012#2527

I understand the contention, that 6-2 shift is a difficult shift to work and still have a life. And I too would much rather have 200 more officers, I think the city desperately needs it, but it won't happen. My fear is with city control, we are going to lose experienced officers left and right, leaving newer officers to fill the gaps. May they be less negative and cynical? Possibly. Can they do as good of a job as the ones with the time on and experience? Not exactly.

Law enforcement is going through an interesting phase right now. Officers are scrutinized and reviewed more than they ever have been before. Both internally and externally. I'm not saying there shouldn't be checks and balances, but an already tough job, is getting exponentially tougher.

At the same time, criminals aren't. Criminals know that the police can't chase them, can't talk freely, and can't lay a hand on them, and the criminals are starting to exploit that.

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PostNov 15, 2012#2528

flopoerich wrote:My fear is with city control, we are going to lose experienced officers left and right, leaving newer officers to fill the gaps.
Why do you think that will happen?

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PostNov 15, 2012#2529

The top fear with city control for officers is that the city will dip into and eventually take their pension. There is state legislature preventing that, for now, but who knows what will happen. Another fear is that the city will rescind the rule allowing city officers with 7+ years to move out, however, with the fire fighters just winning their court case, this is not likely to happen.

Other rumors are abound that the city will take away other benefits that officers have that other city departments don't, such as sick bonus days and discretionary holidays (which are basically personal days since officers work most holidays).

Nobody knows what is going to happen now that the city has control for the first time since the Civil War, what I do know is that the number of officers who have left and are applying with other departments is staggering. Is it just because City Control? No, it's a combination of mediocre pay and not so great healthcare benefits, among other things. Does the City gaining control help it though? No.

As someone who loves the city, I wish the city and police department could get itself figured out and become a place that draws good officers away from other places, not the one that loses out.

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PostNov 19, 2012#2530

Any official news on how many people have been killed in the city this year? Alex, I know you were checking with SLMPD on the discrepancy.

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PostNov 19, 2012#2531

was this homicide reported here? From early Nov

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/11/10/ ... -bar-grill


Also I have seen articles who call this area the northside. I thought this was the central corridor? Growing up on the northside we didnt identify with anything west of Union as the Northside...unless maybe you were north of Nat Bridge

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PostNov 19, 2012#2532

stlhistory wrote:Any official news on how many people have been killed in the city this year? Alex, I know you were checking with SLMPD on the discrepancy.

SLMPD confirmed 98 through end of October. I still haven't been able to fix the graphic (96) because I can't figure out/verify which month(s) is off.

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PostDec 15, 2012#2533

Apparently Sidney Street had a near arson as someone torched their dumpster with gasoline.

Please excuse any spelling errors. This post was from a mobile device with an autocorrect function.

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PostDec 27, 2012#2534

Any more news on the shooting at the Oakland Place Apartments in Dogtown? We heard the helicopters all morning...

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PostDec 27, 2012#2535

Early morning double shooting in 6600 block of Oakland. Couple in their 20s. Not yet many details...

http://m.stltoday.com/STL/db_109121/con ... d=ucmXoBa8

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PostDec 27, 2012#2536

Everyone got a load of the perp who killed the guitar-strumming roofer a couple weeks ago right?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 4d7fe.html

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PostDec 28, 2012#2537

I am sure most of you heard about the double shooting and homicide near
Dogtown, at the Oakland Place Apts. I talked to some reliable individuals that
informed me that this was not random and involved a possible ex-boyfriend.
I am not 100%, but it makes all of the sense in the world when you think
about it. Anyhow, while any homicide or shooting is awful, I know that
many residents in the area, will sleep easier knowing this is not a
random incident.

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PostDec 28, 2012#2538

Correct... I would agree that most residents will take solace in the fact it's not totally random.

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PostJan 04, 2013#2539

What better way to celebrate the 109th anniversary year of the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair than to have the city's first murder of the year on the same block as the filming of Meet Me in St. Louis!

Things have changed.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... f6615.html

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PostJan 04, 2013#2540

leeharveyawesome wrote:What better way to celebrate the 109th anniversary year of the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair than to have the city's first murder of the year on the same block as the filming of Meet Me in St. Louis!

Things have changed.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... f6615.html
Now maybe the block could be the seen of a St. Louis-based drama series. :roll:

There was no filming of "Meet Me in St. Louis" on that block. That's not what the article reported.

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PostJan 05, 2013#2541

22 year-old Palestinian immigrant shot dead while intervening in theft of Chips Ahoy! cookies on South Grand.

We all desire more immigrant migration to the city. This doesn't help. The only positive here is that there are two more off the street during their prime baby makin' years.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 413f3.html

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PostJan 05, 2013#2542

Sickening. Nice to read dirtbag killer dropped his ID on the sidewalk.

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PostJan 05, 2013#2543

I only heard a snippet of this on SLPR yesterday, but it sounded like STL will have the key leadership positions in the statehouse this year, and Slay is asking for more strict gun laws and sentencing in the city for gun crimes. I think. Did anyone catch this?

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PostJan 05, 2013#2544

leeharveyawesome wrote:22 year-old Palestinian immigrant shot dead while intervening in theft of Chips Ahoy! cookies on South Grand.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 413f3.html
First, it's sad the victim lost his life over something so senseless such as cookie theft.

However, there are a lot of do's and don't's to go around here.

-While the thieves should not have stolen anything from the merchant, the markup on those cookies was likely 50%. I understand why they attempted the cookie theft. The store was attempting to rob them first. Fair game.

-The thieves should be arrested and jailed for a long time, however, the shooter needs the death penalty because he was dumb enough to apparently drop his identification at the scene of a cookie caper. Also, he missed an opportunity to become a part of another unsolved murder case in the city. Shame on him!

-The victim shouldn't have chased down the thieves for a bag of cookies that probably hadn't sold for months because of that 50% markup. The cookies were likely stale with weevils. The victim should have asked the thieves if they needed some milk with the cookies - and by the way - the milk would have been marked up 50% too.

The victim and clerk should have:
#1. Let the cookie monsters leave. Gotten physical and car descriptions of the thieves. Called the Police.
#2. Let the monsters have the cookies, but be ready for their thieving asses the next time.
#3. Had guns of their own for security and theft prevention.
#4. Realized that St. Louis is tougher than Palestine.
#5. Realized why foreigners don't move to St. Louis.
#6. Never trusted a neighborhood full of cookie monsters.

In this case:
Cookie Monsters: 2 Good Guys: 0


Note: This is St. Louis crime satire.

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PostJan 05, 2013#2545

^...

Vast cultural changes are needed. Unfortunately as more time goes by, it appears as though this "culture" is becoming more acceptable as opposed to what should be happening.

The gun was likely obtained illegally. How much did this idiot pay for the gun? Why didn't he just not "buy" a gun and pay for a pack of cookies?

Chair for the both of them. Prison is not going to do anything for anyone that will kill someone for a pack of cookies. Get it over with and save everyone time and the city and state lots of money. We should be using that money to assist those working hard to make their lives better, not sustaining these two for 30 years.

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PostJan 05, 2013#2546

I have some more satire for you. The merchant probably marked up his stale cookies because maybe he noticed his customers weren't paying with their own money and cared just a little less about the price. Sure, you have to keep an eye on the balance of your EBT but maybe not as much as real money. Schnucks and their fresh, properly priced cookies wasn't far away.

Also, that homicide map on this site, that's really good work. Thanks. While we are on the topic I have a question that maybe someone can answer. We know that crime and homicide are an economic and education issue. That is acknowledged as fact. I've never seem a breakdown of race of victim and race of murderer. The city has its fair share of poor, uneducated whites so I'm assuming that a portion of the murders were committed by whites. Anyone got the breakdown for last year? Isn't anyone else curious?

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PostJan 05, 2013#2547

I suspect the white homicide rate, adjusted for economic class, is only high in neighborhoods and families that have been poor for generations and turned the corner from "this is temporary bad luck" to "nothing matters anyway so why bother." White people never had a Mill Creek Valley, or Elmhurst, or Kinloch schools, or numerous other deliberate setbacks to kill their pride, industry, and outlook. So it's probably lower than the black rate. Just a guess.

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PostJan 06, 2013#2548

Just added this to the information accompanying the graphic: "Of the 506 homicides from 2008 to 2011, for which the race of the victim is available in the SLMPD annual reports, 502 are listed as black, while 64 were white. Over that period, 89% of those killed in the city were black. So, in a city that's very nearly 50/50 black/white, those 64 homicides would give an annual murder rate of ~10/100,000 for white residents and ~78/100,000 black residents."

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PostJan 13, 2013#2549

One of my pet projects is Wikipedia, and I finished compiling the FBI crime stats from 1944 to 2011 for the city of St. Louis using the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. (Right now you can use the FBI website for recent years but I had to do some archival work to get data from before the 1980s) I'm still working on the metro statistics and the 1932 to 1944 city statistics, but I thought the forum might be interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_S ... ime_trends

The takeaway so far is that index crime was on a long upswing after World War II. I don't have 2012 data yet, but it's likely that the city had fewer than 30,000 index crimes for the first time since the early 1950s, and our rate is hovering around that of the mid-1960s.

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PostJan 14, 2013#2550

Very cool. I may use this data for a new graphic. One thing I did do that I think is more informative is to equalize yearly population changes between each Census. This corrects some clearly wrong crime/homicide rates. The most glaring example is the 2000s where the population is stated as climbing to 356K, then plunging to 320K. We know this isn't correct. I've done the same for each decade.

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