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It's interesting how two somewhat high profile crimes happened in the same apartment complex so soon after each other (the multiple homicide drug robbery being the other). I wonder if there's been a change in the tenant screening, since that complex always seemed well-kept.
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I agree. It is a bit baffling. This has always been a very clean and well kept complex, very quiet in fact. I knew people who lived in that complex. The units are not overwhelmingly nice, but the units were by no means run down. I'd like to know what has changed as well. Maybe it is a coincidence, but after putting some thought into it, the complex is off the beaten path, very dark at night and quite large. I think anyone walking around there at night can easily be victimized, if they are careless. I guess that is true anywhere, but thugs like to hit people when they least expect it. This place presents opportunities.
We got to get a grip on these unruly teenagers in the city. What the hell is a 14 year child doing outside that time of night? When are we going to start holding these parents responsible? As someone who has taught at the SLPS, I have to say that we are in strong need of truancy laws. I would full support raising my taxes for truancy police and more social programs that directly confront these poverty issues like, lack of parental guidance, vandalism, neglect etc. The poverty, crime, and general "I dont give a F" attitude really brings down quality of life in the city.rawest1 wrote:My buddy in south city was complaining about a police chopper circling for what he said felt like hours last night. Now I guess we all know why
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... f6878.html
One of my friends used to live at Nebraska and Gravois and she talked about how packs of teens roam the streets there almost nightly, and it always made her uneasy because the vibe was not a good one. They weren't joking around laughing having fun; it's as if though they would be walking around looking for something/someone.
I thought this comment from one of the commenters on the article is pretty telling. he apparently lives right near where it happened:
"To the both of you...It's a deeply rooted problem embedded in our society... It's a culmination of the collapse of the value system of the country we live in.. More GUNS on the street doesn't solve jack mike.. This incident happened literally right outside my front door... I can look outside my bedroom window and SEE the spot where not only did these to girls get killed but where the entire incident took place.. My family has been living in the neighborhood for the last 10 years and needless, every since the housing market crashed, things have seriously gone south.. There was much promise when we first move in this neighborhood with brand new homes being built 2 blocks up from us, buildings being rehabbed and SOLD, NEW stores opening just blocks from here, etc.. THEN BAM, progress stopped.. the homes that couldn't get sold when the market crashed, were either left vacant or rented out to whomever the owner could get a buck from.. There are TONS of kids around here with absolutely NOTHING to do and nowhere to go.. God knows who or where their parents are.. There have been numerous times where I've had to run kids off from sitting in front of my house in the middle of the night.. Kids are raising themselves and it's sad.. the parents are probably not much older than that of their kids and are suffering from a freaking identity crisis because they had children at a young age and never had the opportunity to be kids themselves because of the choices they've made.. I make excuses for no one at all but for a lot of people, these are the facts.. and it's reality...I agree with Thomas in that it's not a racial issue in the since that "Racism" isn't necessarily involved, BUT, it just so happens that 99.9% of the kids the this crap happens to happen to be black kids..now, as for stop snitching.. I don't buy it because the people who really care about stuff that goes on around here attempt to do the right thing however from my personal experience, TOO ME, it seems as if the police really don't care at times... If they REALLY wanted to do or stop things from going in this neighbor hood and places like it.. Make or put a substation in the area.. I mean, crap happens over here OFTEN these days it seems but heck when stuff kicks off, and I call them, the are always a day late and a dollar short.. the article said NO One called it in.. I wonder why? I stopped calling in random gunfire simply because there is nothing they can do about it because by the time they show up, its peaceful! They needs camera's in the area, remote surveillance, crap they use in other cities that makes up for the lack of police man power.."
My question is, how do the police fail so badly at covering this area? It seems obvious that this 'hood is in dire need of more patrols.
Perhaps it would be a smart proposal to require all landlords to do the following:
a) criminal background check
b) if a prospective tenant or anyone who will occupy the premises has a history of violent offenses etc, require the landlord to obtain a pricey tenant-specific license in order to rent to the violent offender.
c) limit the density of subsidized tenants in the city limits per acre to like 2.
Do these three things, you've solved a lot of these problems. And you've opened the doors to gentrification by improving the perception of safety, which is pretty much always good.
a) criminal background check
b) if a prospective tenant or anyone who will occupy the premises has a history of violent offenses etc, require the landlord to obtain a pricey tenant-specific license in order to rent to the violent offender.
c) limit the density of subsidized tenants in the city limits per acre to like 2.
Do these three things, you've solved a lot of these problems. And you've opened the doors to gentrification by improving the perception of safety, which is pretty much always good.
Was out of town this weekend so I did not hear this incident, anyone have any info?
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 0f31a.html
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Nope too late for me. But we do have a serious problem that needs involvement from everyone. Meetings scheduled this week at Left Bank Books. Ward 7 is on Wed. Ward 5 on Thurs.
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I think we need to authorize more legislation making it simpler for people to buy automatic assault weapons. I mean, the results speak for themselves.
Edit: I REALLY want someone to explain on this forum why they need an assault weapon. This sh*t is ridiculous. We are actively cultivating the greatest mass exercise in willful stupidity ever seen by humans on this planet and blatantly ignoring the factual results. Amazing. Just pure genius at work. GUNS!!
Edit: I REALLY want someone to explain on this forum why they need an assault weapon. This sh*t is ridiculous. We are actively cultivating the greatest mass exercise in willful stupidity ever seen by humans on this planet and blatantly ignoring the factual results. Amazing. Just pure genius at work. GUNS!!
I'm not sure what you mean by 'assault weapon'... but I'll guess you mean assualt rifle (select fire, semi-auto and full auto). Those are regulated at the federal level and require a class III firearms permit, which are difficult to get and extremely expensive. The permit itself isn't expensive (a few hundred dollars and a tax stamp), but because all automatic firearms manufactured after 1987 are banned for civilian ownership, people that own pre-87 (pre-NFA) automatics charge huge amounts of money ($10,000+ for a low end example of any automatic) for their legal automatics.newstl2020 wrote:I think we need to authorize more legislation making it simpler for people to buy automatic assault weapons. I mean, the results speak for themselves.
Edit: I REALLY want someone to explain on this forum why they need an assault weapon. This sh*t is ridiculous. We are actively cultivating the greatest mass exercise in willful stupidity ever seen by humans on this planet and blatantly ignoring the factual results. Amazing. Just pure genius at work. GUNS!!
So any time you hear about someone using an assault rifle perpetrating a crime, it's likely they weren't using an assault rifle because they are rare and extremely expensive. They're not easy to steal either because owners aren't going to leave a $10k+ gun sitting around outside of a safe. What they really used was a rifle that might be semi-auto or bolt action (not an assault rifle because by definition it has to have select fire full auto), and if the criminal is really ballsy they'll convert a semi-auto to a full auto (guaranteed a long life behind bars if anyone is caught with one regardless of intent). But full auto crimes are rare so I don't think that class of firearms is much of a problem, not to mention even our military is shifting from full auto for standard issue rifles because full auto accuracy is poor.
Aside from that, with little exception all gun crimes in STL are done with pistols, of which all or most aren't legally owned. Anyone with a felony can't own a gun (federal law), and legal ownership of a pistol requires the person to be +21 in Missouri. Most gun crimes in STL(outside of domestic disputes) are done by previous offenders and/or juveniles so all laws pertaining to their owning a gun have already been broken.
If you want to know about why anyone would need a gun in geneneral, I don't have a short answer (everyone has their reasons). But it is the second amendment of our constitution, the supreme court backed individual ownership, and there are millions and millions of legal firearms in existence. Outlawing them now isn't going to do any good based on Chicago and D.C. gun crime stats (where firearms are all but banned). Even if firearms were eradicated, a motivated crazy person isn't going to let that stop them from mass murder (explosives are too easy to manufacture unfortunately).
Someone apparently without a felony conviction shot a man in the head outside of Union Station downtown last night. Two more were shot just north of MLK.
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The shootings north of MLK aren't surprising.
I'm kind of a data visualization junkie, and I make maps sometimes. One of the maps I made for kicks was a Jan-June 2012 STL murder map. In that time, I believe there had been something like 64 murders, of which 12 were south of Page. Which to me was fascinating. If you assume 60% of the city's population lives S of Page, that's a murder rate of about 12.5 per 100k people for the rest of the city S of Page - in the company of Houston, Boston, Columbus, Tulsa, etc. It would be easy to say this is a black/white but that sidesteps the actual problem which is pretty clearly entrenched poverty and the resulting IDGAF culture. I found a map of income levels per census tract 2005-09, and laid that over the murder locations, and although most of the areas where most of the murders occurred were overwhelmingly black, murders occurred in or if not within 4-6 blocks of areas with annual household incomes of less than $25k/year. There may have been one or two exceptions to this rule. I don't know how that applies to other types of crime, but THAT is the message we should be broadcasting.
I'm kind of a data visualization junkie, and I make maps sometimes. One of the maps I made for kicks was a Jan-June 2012 STL murder map. In that time, I believe there had been something like 64 murders, of which 12 were south of Page. Which to me was fascinating. If you assume 60% of the city's population lives S of Page, that's a murder rate of about 12.5 per 100k people for the rest of the city S of Page - in the company of Houston, Boston, Columbus, Tulsa, etc. It would be easy to say this is a black/white but that sidesteps the actual problem which is pretty clearly entrenched poverty and the resulting IDGAF culture. I found a map of income levels per census tract 2005-09, and laid that over the murder locations, and although most of the areas where most of the murders occurred were overwhelmingly black, murders occurred in or if not within 4-6 blocks of areas with annual household incomes of less than $25k/year. There may have been one or two exceptions to this rule. I don't know how that applies to other types of crime, but THAT is the message we should be broadcasting.
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^ if you're willing to share the map - it would be good to post on nextSTL.
Can do. It'll probably be next week, but I'll send it your way. PM me with details on how you'd like to receive it. Jpg good?
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A couple more shooting murders in North City yesterday. It definitely seems to be picking up. Many are described as "Man gets out of car, shoots other man, drives away." They almost seem to be indiscriminate. Lots appear to be involving cars with Illinois plates as of late.
Just from an outside perspective, it definitely seems as though the "crackdown" of sorts in ESL is pushing the crimes to the StL side of the river.
Was there any coordination at all between the police departments in ESL and StL? Cracking down on one side while cutting officers on the other (StLPD trying to lay off ~80 officers) seems like a tremendously dumb arrangement.
Just from an outside perspective, it definitely seems as though the "crackdown" of sorts in ESL is pushing the crimes to the StL side of the river.
Was there any coordination at all between the police departments in ESL and StL? Cracking down on one side while cutting officers on the other (StLPD trying to lay off ~80 officers) seems like a tremendously dumb arrangement.
Was there a crackdown on the East Side? I remember there was talk of a plan to address the nightclubs over there earlier this year.
I also remember the City laying off about 30% of its police and a good chunk of the fire department a couple years ago, and the Illinois State Police, and St. Clair County Sheriff's Department, basically telling them they were SOL.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illi ... 78c22.html
There is also the chance Missourians cross the river to steal a car to do a drive-by, and vice versa.
I also remember the City laying off about 30% of its police and a good chunk of the fire department a couple years ago, and the Illinois State Police, and St. Clair County Sheriff's Department, basically telling them they were SOL.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illi ... 78c22.html
There is also the chance Missourians cross the river to steal a car to do a drive-by, and vice versa.
^seems very abnormal.
In the middle of the day, that is crazy. From past incidents, I am hoping this is a domestic dispute crime or two individuals involved in an illegal activity that caused one party to retaliate.
If it isn't... I see a big story coming soon.
In the middle of the day, that is crazy. From past incidents, I am hoping this is a domestic dispute crime or two individuals involved in an illegal activity that caused one party to retaliate.
If it isn't... I see a big story coming soon.
It does seem strange in broad daylight, but it sounds like it was a carjacking gone bad.Witnesses told police they saw a man either get out of her Volkswagen or open the door to the vehicle. The two appeared to be arguing and shouting, police said.
The man was seen firing two shots into the vehicle before leaving the scene. He left before police arrived. He was described as a black man believed to be in his mid-20s, about 5 feet, 8 inches tall with a thin build and short hair.
This, coupled with the guy getting hit on Washington Ave by a car speeding away from the police, is pretty embarrassing. The fact that a person in broad daylight can shoot someone in one of the busiest neighborhoods and get away with it is unbelievable. So is a car on Wash Ave speeding away from cop trying to pull them over and getting away with hitting a pedestrian. No arrests have been made in either of these.
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Not surprised that noone's mentioning what happened Friday night downtown. Tucker and Convention, apparently an armed robbery -- heard this all go down on the police scanner, NOT A SINGLE UNIT responded to the victim; instead they were chasing after the suspect in multiple directions. A supervisor got on the radio and yelled at some units to respond to the victim because nobody had. Typical.
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rawest1 wrote:It does seem strange in broad daylight, but it sounds like it was a carjacking gone bad.Witnesses told police they saw a man either get out of her Volkswagen or open the door to the vehicle. The two appeared to be arguing and shouting, police said.
The man was seen firing two shots into the vehicle before leaving the scene. He left before police arrived. He was described as a black man believed to be in his mid-20s, about 5 feet, 8 inches tall with a thin build and short hair.
Sounds to me like she knew the shooter? Possible ex boyfriend?
I feel like if it was an ex boyfriend, police wouldn't still be trying to scour for details on the killer.moorlander wrote:rawest1 wrote:It does seem strange in broad daylight, but it sounds like it was a carjacking gone bad.Witnesses told police they saw a man either get out of her Volkswagen or open the door to the vehicle. The two appeared to be arguing and shouting, police said.
The man was seen firing two shots into the vehicle before leaving the scene. He left before police arrived. He was described as a black man believed to be in his mid-20s, about 5 feet, 8 inches tall with a thin build and short hair.
Sounds to me like she knew the shooter? Possible ex boyfriend?
This sounds like a random act of violence.
EDIT: Police say there is no evidence she knew her killer
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... E.facebook
I wonder who first tweeted that she knew the guy/animal. It certainly doesn't look that way now. And slay, please tweet that you will find this animal and hang him, not gun control rants. I live nearby, and if anything I might just get a concealed carry license.
Mansion House, Hampton Gardens, Washington Avenue, now the Central freaking West End. It's depressing and disconcerting to hear about the rash of gun violence in parts of the city that I thought were safe.
I knew of this girl, she graduated in my class at SLU. I can't believe this is happening.
I knew of this girl, she graduated in my class at SLU. I can't believe this is happening.