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PostJul 07, 2012#2251

Being west of 14th can be a good thing. Quieter and you miss some of the nonsense that takes place between 10th and 14th.

Jlh, what do you think should be done in regards to the loiterers? Just picking your brain for solutions.

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PostJul 07, 2012#2252

downtown2007 wrote:Being west of 14th can be a good thing. Quieter and you miss some of the nonsense that takes place between 10th and 14th.
I agree.

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PostJul 07, 2012#2253

Article on Wash Ave issues. Does a pretty good job explaining the problems.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... ced01.html

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PostJul 08, 2012#2254

^ I am surprised how many positive comments there were from that article. I guess the comment verification by Facebook really does weed out the online crazys.

Living on 10th and Washington I have seen a huge reduction in the loud music and motorcycles in the past 3 weeks. Don't want to jinx it, but I would say almost a 90% reduction. Love it.

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PostJul 09, 2012#2255

downtown2007 wrote:Article on Wash Ave issues. Does a pretty good job explaining the problems.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... ced01.html
TOO DANGEROUS! No, that's not inflammatory at all:



The seriousness of the increase of crime shouldn't be minimized - it's absolutely a concern. And the tone of the article itself was fair. Attention-grabbing invectives, however, cheapen the message - even if it's only the title of a bar graph.

-RBB

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PostJul 09, 2012#2256

^ "Too Dangerous" is a ridiculous tagline. Anyway, given to numbers I'd guarantee that the crime rate on Washington Avenue has decreased over the past five years.

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PostJul 11, 2012#2257

Alderman Lewis Reed's car stolen in the 2900 block of Russell.



http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... f6878.html

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PostJul 12, 2012#2258

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 0f31a.html

Great news! Suspects in Dogtown home invasion caught. That was quite a scene the other
day. I was wondering why that helicopter was circling for so long. Good job STLPD!

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PostJul 13, 2012#2259

What a moron some commenters are. I couldn't resist guys, I'm sorry. I had to respond.

The lady was wondering why you would park your car there expecting it to be there in the morning. Car thefts happen EVERYWHERE!

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PostJul 16, 2012#2260

What is happening downtown this year?

Another shooting on Washington Ave, right outside the MX area bus stop:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/328330 ... n-St-Louis

And a car crash outside Hooters:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/328328 ... de-Hooters

Is it just me, or is crime on an uptick downtown? It seems like not so long ago hearing of crime downtown was a much more rare occurrence than it is today...not saying it was crime-free, but still, a lot seems to be happening recently, or is the media just focusing on stuff more, not sure which?

The thing that bothers me most are incidents like these are happening in the core of downtown, right in front of tourists, business people, etc. and right where businesses are trying to establish themselves.

Not trying to be all "the sky is falling" but I've noticed a definite dip in the attractiveness of sections of downtown over the past year, it's subtle, but as someone DT on a daily basis, noticeable and troublesome.

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PostJul 16, 2012#2261

Which sections do you think have lost some attractiveness?

I think crime is probably the same overall. However there have been an increase in the number of shootings which is not good.

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PostJul 16, 2012#2262

Is crime ever a response to gentrification, and as such possibly a good indicator that the area is further gentrifying?

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PostJul 16, 2012#2263

downtown2007 wrote:Which sections do you think have lost some attractiveness?

I think crime is probably the same overall. However there have been an increase in the number of shootings which is not good.
In particular everything around the Arch.

The Highway underpass is really gross, with feces staining the walls and other nice things, litter has been allowed to collect along Memorial and on the Archgrounds themselves at times, homeless people are now sleeping and drinking on the Archgrounds.

The riverfront, while never impressive in anyway, now looks just plain awful. It's empty, there is graffiti on road signs & flood walls, torn flags, weeds in the sidewalk, general infrastructure looks bad and is deteriorating.

I'm assuming nothing is getting done because of the Arch redesign, but is that an excuse for general maintenance to just stop?

I've been working and walking in this area for the past 6 years and this year there seems to be a very noticeable decline in the areas around the Arch, Memorial and 4th street areas...maybe it's just my perception.

Maybe the increase in shootings is what is binging my "crime radar", like you said. I still don't feel unsafe, but hearing about the shootings and stuff is a bit disheartening.

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PostJul 16, 2012#2264

Sorry for continuing this off topic, but I walk around downtown a lot, including the arch grounds and I haven't noticed it. Maybe I walk around too much, so I miss the incremental changes. That said, I think the blazing heat and lack of rain add to both the perception and reality of these "broken windows" issues.

One thing I have noticed is the urine stench from the horse carriages that pervades most of the main tourist corridors. And then every now and then a review of downtown pops up on a tourism site and notes the smell of homeless people peeing in the streets. Even my wife who also works downtown thought that until I explained to her it was the horses.

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PostJul 16, 2012#2265

^ I do think there's some deferred maintenance with the Arch grounds area. That should lead the city to take care of its part well and lean on the NPS to do the same, but instead it leads everyone to sit around and wait and see.

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PostJul 16, 2012#2266

They added some little banners on the light posts that are actually pretty nice and well done.

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PostJul 16, 2012#2267

^^ Saint Louis and major cities smelled completely awful during the pre-electric trolley days. Dealing with horse manure was a major problem. And if that wasn't enough, the air pollution from manufacturing would knock you dead. Those were the days!

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PostJul 16, 2012#2268

Don't forget dogs are a major contributor to the urine stench. Especially along Wash Ave and other residential bldgs.

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PostJul 16, 2012#2269

Alex Ihnen wrote:^ I do think there's some deferred maintenance with the Arch grounds area. That should lead the city to take care of its part well and lean on the NPS to do the same, but instead it leads everyone to sit around and wait and see.
Bingo. Officials and decision-makers at both the city and state level from every political side (and really, Missourians in general) are so afraid of stepping on the toes of someone with more sway/power/money or doing something for which they -- heaven forbid -- might have to personally accept the failure, success or outcry, that oftentimes the result is inaction or the status quo.

I don't think it's a lack of passion or civic pride which is holding back this City. I think it's a critical case of humility. That Midwestern benevolence we are always so eager to tout may be the the very thing that prevents leadership from having the ego and the drive to say the things that should be said and fix the things that should be fixed.

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PostJul 16, 2012#2270

Re Arch grounds, I went there Saturday morning for the first time in a while. Going, I went down Wash Ave which of course takes you under the overpass. Accessing the park wasn't too bad and hopefully there will be more businesses opening on lower Wash Ave. Once in the park, I did notice a homeless man on a bench along the pathway (near the parking garage). But even more noticable to me were the singinficant number of trees removed from the planters.... not sure if they were diseased or not. Upon leaving, again the crossing of Memorial was not too bad, and I do think the pedestrian crossing improvements made a few years ago are a big improvement.

Overall, my impression of the grounds and access was that it was far from impressive but not a turn-off, either. There was a rather sizeable number of people going to the Arch grounds, btw.... many tourists as well some downtowners, for example a young woman walking her two dogs.

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PostJul 17, 2012#2271

Chicago has problems with Knockout game as well. Idiot posted the video on Facebook... little did he know he killed him.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/16/us/illino ... ?hpt=hp_t2

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PostJul 17, 2012#2272

I believe the major benefit of bringing the city into the county will be the engagement of county talent to solve city-county wide problems.

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PostJul 17, 2012#2273

It should be noted that there was a shooting in Toronto. 2 dead, 19 injured. The Police Chief used a bit of hyperbole: "Tonight’s event is unprecedented. It’s going to be shocking to everyone in Toronto, to everyone in Canada.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article ... carborough

Yes, it happened at a barbecue.

More quotes: "Robinson said he’s lived in Toronto since 1970 and thinks things are getting worse in the city"

“Basically it sickens me. . . . It never used to be this way,” he said. “The new players in the game are playing it wrong.”


There were six shootings in the 43 Division before Monday’s gunfire, Blair said. These are the city’s 27th and 28th homicides of the year.

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PostJul 27, 2012#2274

My buddy in south city was complaining about a police chopper circling for what he said felt like hours last night. Now I guess we all know why

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... f6878.html

One of my friends used to live at Nebraska and Gravois and she talked about how packs of teens roam the streets there almost nightly, and it always made her uneasy because the vibe was not a good one. They weren't joking around laughing having fun; it's as if though they would be walking around looking for something/someone.

I thought this comment from one of the commenters on the article is pretty telling. he apparently lives right near where it happened:

"To the both of you...It's a deeply rooted problem embedded in our society... It's a culmination of the collapse of the value system of the country we live in.. More GUNS on the street doesn't solve jack mike.. This incident happened literally right outside my front door... I can look outside my bedroom window and SEE the spot where not only did these to girls get killed but where the entire incident took place.. My family has been living in the neighborhood for the last 10 years and needless, every since the housing market crashed, things have seriously gone south.. There was much promise when we first move in this neighborhood with brand new homes being built 2 blocks up from us, buildings being rehabbed and SOLD, NEW stores opening just blocks from here, etc.. THEN BAM, progress stopped.. the homes that couldn't get sold when the market crashed, were either left vacant or rented out to whomever the owner could get a buck from.. There are TONS of kids around here with absolutely NOTHING to do and nowhere to go.. God knows who or where their parents are.. There have been numerous times where I've had to run kids off from sitting in front of my house in the middle of the night.. Kids are raising themselves and it's sad.. the parents are probably not much older than that of their kids and are suffering from a freaking identity crisis because they had children at a young age and never had the opportunity to be kids themselves because of the choices they've made.. I make excuses for no one at all but for a lot of people, these are the facts.. and it's reality...I agree with Thomas in that it's not a racial issue in the since that "Racism" isn't necessarily involved, BUT, it just so happens that 99.9% of the kids the this crap happens to happen to be black kids..now, as for stop snitching.. I don't buy it because the people who really care about stuff that goes on around here attempt to do the right thing however from my personal experience, TOO ME, it seems as if the police really don't care at times... If they REALLY wanted to do or stop things from going in this neighbor hood and places like it.. Make or put a substation in the area.. I mean, crap happens over here OFTEN these days it seems but heck when stuff kicks off, and I call them, the are always a day late and a dollar short.. the article said NO One called it in.. I wonder why? I stopped calling in random gunfire simply because there is nothing they can do about it because by the time they show up, its peaceful! They needs camera's in the area, remote surveillance, crap they use in other cities that makes up for the lack of police man power.."

My question is, how do the police fail so badly at covering this area? It seems obvious that this 'hood is in dire need of more patrols.

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PostJul 27, 2012#2275

Yes, I heard the helicopters circling for quite awhile and figured somebody was actin' up.

Besides the tragic death of the two young ladies three men were also shot (hopefully through the ball sack thus preventing any future children).

Have a nice weekend everyone!

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