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dweebe wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2025

Auggie wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2025

dweebe wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2025

There's no way the NBA even thinks of St. Louis as an option without a new arena. Either a shared new home with the Blues or their own place. If one of the main reasons (if not THE reason) they stopped the Grizzlies move here 25 years ago was the building, what makes anyone think they'd accept Enterprise Center now?

They'd accept Enterprise for a temporary home while a new arena gets built, that's about it though. But I also imagine if a new arena were built for an NBA team, it would probably also have the Blues in mind. I at least would not want 2 18k seat indoor arenas downtown.

Or we end up like the Twin Cities where their NBA and NHL teams play in two separate venues.

It's more like two seperate cities- St. Paul for the Wild and Minneapolis for the Timberwolves.

I'd go see the Spirits of St. Louis play ANYWHERE in St. Louis but allow me to wax poetic about the Loop.

North of Delmar - the richest Black man in America owning an NBA team north of the Delmar Divide and right at the City-County line. 

And it further cements Delmar as a music destination - imagine your favorite artist booking Delmar Hall, The Pageant and Bayer Arena. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Meet and Greet at Delmar Hall, B-Sides Acoustic show at The Pageant, and the all the hits at Bayer. 
Edit - Then again it's probably not all that different than Enterprise / Stifel. 

Alright I'm done.

STLcommenter wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2025

I vote for putting it on the riverfront where the Rams new stadium was going to be


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That would be my choice and keep Blues in or next to Enterprise Center.    

NBA down by landing and next to the casino (pun intended) would be a good fit in this age of sport betting.   2nd choice, knockdown the parking garage between BVP and Cordish new development & plop a basketball stadium there.   Maybe Cordish can get WWT owner to buy in as a NBA owner & as part of their overall extended development plan 

Fun to speculate but think both St Louis and KC have three very big hurdles in my opinion.   First, pro sports favoring single majority billionaire owner.  Second, sport specific arena. Third, some type of real estate development affiliation.   Fourth, for good measure.  Public dollars in mid tier cities.   

dweebe wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2025

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Nov 13, 2025

PlatinumBlues wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2025

This is why said if St.Louis became a front runner however I know we’re more likely an afterthought… I have no doubt St.Louis can support a NBA… We’re fortunate to have the Cardinals Blues & City SC even the Battlehawks

That still doesn’t answer why you think the NBA might block STL if it was the front runner…

Because there's no space in the arena for NBA standard locker rooms, coaches offices, trainers/medical area. The Enterprise Center was built too small and not for two teams. It wasn't passable in 1999/2000 and sure as hell wouldn't fly today.

The only way the current arena could host two teams would be to tear down the Kiel Garage and put all the basketball operations in a new building there. (Like the Bulls and Pacers did to their places.) And I can guarantee the City will NEVER give up that cash cow.

Then it sounds like we wouldn’t be a front runner.

If we were a front runner, as stated in the original question, none of those issues would exist. They would all be worked out already.

dweebe wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2025

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Nov 13, 2025

STLcommenter wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2025

I vote for putting it on the riverfront where the Rams new stadium was going to be


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That would be my choice and keep Blues in or next to Enterprise Center.    

NBA down by landing and next to the casino (pun intended) would be a good fit in this age of sport betting.   2nd choice, knockdown the parking garage between BVP and Cordish new development & plop a basketball stadium there.   Maybe Cordish can get WWT owner to buy in as a NBA owner & as part of their overall extended development plan 

Fun to speculate but think both St Louis and KC have three very big hurdles in my opinion.   First, pro sports favoring single majority billionaire owner.  Second, sport specific arena. Third, some type of real estate development affiliation.   Fourth, for good measure.  Public dollars in mid tier cities.   

I'm still surprised the Hunt family hasn't taken another run at a NBA or NHL team to add to their empire. But winning Super Bowls and moving the Chiefs to the Kansas side in a dome is probably enough work.

The Hunt family is a minority owner of the Chicago Bulls.  They were one of the original investors in 60s.  

I still think it is more likely an NFL team comes back than an NBA team does. There’s more appetite amongst the class that would be putting an ownership together in St. Louis to bring the NFL back to a riverfront/downtown stadium. I would like to see any team that comes to St. Louis though be the Spirits of St. louis. Such a unique name

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

I still think it is more likely an NFL team comes back than an NBA team does. There’s more appetite amongst the class that would be putting an ownership together in St. Louis to bring the NFL back to a riverfront/downtown stadium. I would like to see any team that comes to St. Louis though be the Spirits of St. louis. Such a unique name

Dave Steward just last year said he has some interest in an NBA team. Richard Chaifetz, David Hoffman and Jayson Tatum just recently put together a bid for a WNBA expansion team. I see more of an appetite for Basketball than an NFL team.  

The NFL isn't floating expansion, or relocation. The same people that kicked us out of the NFL still run the NFL. They chose to settle a lawsuit for $790 million rather than give us a team and now they're going to welcome us back in? 

9ine Runner wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

I still think it is more likely an NFL team comes back than an NBA team does. There’s more appetite amongst the class that would be putting an ownership together in St. Louis to bring the NFL back to a riverfront/downtown stadium. I would like to see any team that comes to St. Louis though be the Spirits of St. louis. Such a unique name

Dave Steward just last year said he has some interest in an NBA team. Richard Chaifetz, David Hoffman and Jayson Tatum just recently put together a bid for a WNBA expansion team. I see more of an appetite for Basketball than an NFL team.  

The NFL isn't floating expansion, or relocation. The same people that kicked us out of the NFL still run the NFL. They chose to settle a lawsuit for $790 million rather than give us a team and now they're going to welcome us back in? 

There was a rumor that the Chargers could have been relocated in exchange for a settlement.  Not sure how much truth there really was to that rumor.  

STLAPTS wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

9ine Runner wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

I still think it is more likely an NFL team comes back than an NBA team does. There’s more appetite amongst the class that would be putting an ownership together in St. Louis to bring the NFL back to a riverfront/downtown stadium. I would like to see any team that comes to St. Louis though be the Spirits of St. louis. Such a unique name

Dave Steward just last year said he has some interest in an NBA team. Richard Chaifetz, David Hoffman and Jayson Tatum just recently put together a bid for a WNBA expansion team. I see more of an appetite for Basketball than an NFL team.  

The NFL isn't floating expansion, or relocation. The same people that kicked us out of the NFL still run the NFL. They chose to settle a lawsuit for $790 million rather than give us a team and now they're going to welcome us back in? 

There was a rumor that the Chargers could have been relocated in exchange for a settlement.  Not sure how much truth there really was to that rumor.  

We were never at any point offered the Chargers. 

In 2016 after the secret vote our proposal was still on the table, for any team. Peacock and Blitz were both there for presentations and nothing materialized. If you remember, going into the meetings Peacock and Blitz changed their tone - it was about keeping St. Louis an NFL city not the Rams. Kevin Demoff famously told them to go talk to the Raiders.

We were left to twist in the wind. The NFL didn't give two thoughts about St. Louis. They left LA open for the Chargers or Raiders, nothing for St. Louis. If they could have steered a team to St. Louis that would have been the time to do it, not 4 years later after a lawsuit. 

I can't believe people want back in a league where the commissioner told us oh "keep doing what you're doing" and oh "stan owns lots of real estate around the country as part of his business" knowing the entire time what the play was.  They put more effort into the facade of following their own guidelines than actually working with St. Louis to retain a team. 

Besides, we defer to KC in all things sports now  : "Give an NBA team to KC", well, why do we need another NFL team then if our big brother already has one?

9ine Runner wrote: ↑

Nov 15, 2025

STLAPTS wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

9ine Runner wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

Dave Steward just last year said he has some interest in an NBA team. Richard Chaifetz, David Hoffman and Jayson Tatum just recently put together a bid for a WNBA expansion team. I see more of an appetite for Basketball than an NFL team.  

The NFL isn't floating expansion, or relocation. The same people that kicked us out of the NFL still run the NFL. They chose to settle a lawsuit for $790 million rather than give us a team and now they're going to welcome us back in? 

There was a rumor that the Chargers could have been relocated in exchange for a settlement.  Not sure how much truth there really was to that rumor.  

We were never at any point offered the Chargers. 

In 2016 after the secret vote our proposal was still on the table, for any team. Peacock and Blitz were both there for presentations and nothing materialized. If you remember, going into the meetings Peacock and Blitz changed their tone - it was about keeping St. Louis an NFL city not the Rams. Kevin Demoff famously told them to go talk to the Raiders.

We were left to twist in the wind. The NFL didn't give two thoughts about St. Louis. They left LA open for the Chargers or Raiders, nothing for St. Louis. If they could have steered a team to St. Louis that would have been the time to do it, not 4 years later after a lawsuit. 

I can't believe people want back in a league where the commissioner told us oh "keep doing what you're doing" and oh "stan owns lots of real estate around the country as part of his business" knowing the entire time what the play was.  They put more effort into the facade of following their own guidelines than actually working with St. Louis to retain a team. 

Besides, we defer to KC in all things sports now  : "Give an NBA team to KC", well, why do we need another NFL team then if our big brother already has one?

In which sense is KC the big brother? With 500,000’less people? 6,000 less dollars in median income? Almost no Fortune 500 or 1000 presence?

KC’s arena is still relatively young however they don’t have the capitol to pull it of.. There name will always be used as a front runner though.. KC’s saving grace will be Patrick Mahommes which I could see as possibility other than that Nashville has a better chance at getting an expansion MLB team & getting the Grizzlies than KC ever getting a NBA team whether that’s expansion or relocation…. I’m tired of the KC hoopla I feel like it’s very overrated even when they say it’s very underrated. St.Louis isn’t getting a NBA team either unless there’s a miracle of some magnitude.. I kinda wish the NFL didn’t burn the bridge with St.Louis & could have exchange of the Rams for a free expansion team as long as we were able to build a brand new stadium for them….


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I didn't realize the San Antonio Spurs were looking for a new arena even though their current place opened in 2002.

STLAPTS wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

9ine Runner wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

I still think it is more likely an NFL team comes back than an NBA team does. There’s more appetite amongst the class that would be putting an ownership together in St. Louis to bring the NFL back to a riverfront/downtown stadium. I would like to see any team that comes to St. Louis though be the Spirits of St. louis. Such a unique name

Dave Steward just last year said he has some interest in an NBA team. Richard Chaifetz, David Hoffman and Jayson Tatum just recently put together a bid for a WNBA expansion team. I see more of an appetite for Basketball than an NFL team.  

The NFL isn't floating expansion, or relocation. The same people that kicked us out of the NFL still run the NFL. They chose to settle a lawsuit for $790 million rather than give us a team and now they're going to welcome us back in? 

There was a rumor that the Chargers could have been relocated in exchange for a settlement.  Not sure how much truth there really was to that rumor.  

My understanding was that Mark Davis (Raiders owner) was floated the idea of moving to STL by some of the owners that wanted to keep the NFL in the STL market. Both Spanos (Chargers owner) & Davis wanted to stay on the west coast (or close/Vegas). They rejected the idea of moving to the Midwest. I have no idea what would have happened had they agreed to move to STL, but the opposing forces Goodell, Kroenke, Jones, etc. may have forced those owners to find other options. There were several owners that did not want to abandon the St. Louis market. The original vote was for the Raiders & Chargers to go to LA. Jones (one of the most powerful owners) rallied a vote to move StanK to LA, along with Spanos. Davis later chose Vegas, which ended up being a great move for the Raiders. So in summary, there was a push by owners that did not want to lose STL, to save the market. ESPN did a great piece on the shady Rams relocation. 

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story ... os-angeles

PlatinumBlues wrote:KC’s arena is still relatively young however they don’t have the capitol to pull it of.. There name will always be used as a front runner though.. KC’s saving grace will be Patrick Mahommes which I could see as possibility other than that Nashville has a better chance at getting an expansion MLB team & getting the Grizzlies than KC ever getting a NBA team whether that’s expansion or relocation…. I’m tired of the KC hoopla I feel like it’s very overrated even when they say it’s very underrated. St.Louis isn’t getting a NBA team either unless there’s a miracle of some magnitude.. I kinda wish the NFL didn’t burn the bridge with St.Louis & could have exchange of the Rams for a free expansion team as long as we were able to build a brand new stadium for them….


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Ehh they might. Peter Mallouk is just as financially capable as David Stewart with a 20 year youth advantage.

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STLAPTS wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

9ine Runner wrote: ↑

Nov 14, 2025

Dave Steward just last year said he has some interest in an NBA team. Richard Chaifetz, David Hoffman and Jayson Tatum just recently put together a bid for a WNBA expansion team. I see more of an appetite for Basketball than an NFL team.  

The NFL isn't floating expansion, or relocation. The same people that kicked us out of the NFL still run the NFL. They chose to settle a lawsuit for $790 million rather than give us a team and now they're going to welcome us back in? 

There was a rumor that the Chargers could have been relocated in exchange for a settlement.  Not sure how much truth there really was to that rumor.  

My understanding was that Mark Davis (Raiders owner) was floated the idea of moving to STL by some of the owners that wanted to keep the NFL in the STL market. Both Spanos (Chargers owner) & Davis wanted to stay on the west coast (or close/Vegas). They rejected the idea of moving to the Midwest. I have no idea what would have happened had they agreed to move to STL, but the opposing forces Goodell, Kroenke, Jones, etc. may have forced those owners to find other options. There were several owners that did not want to abandon the St. Louis market. The original vote was for the Raiders & Chargers to go to LA. Jones (one of the most powerful owners) rallied a vote to move StanK to LA, along with Spanos. Davis later chose Vegas, which ended up being a great move for the Raiders. So in summary, there was a push by owners that did not want to lose STL, to save the market. ESPN did a great piece on the shady Rams relocation. 

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story ... os-angeles

All St. Louis needs is five years of average or above average income, population, and labor force growth then the NBA and NFL will bring themselves. A 2.8M population region growing slightly faster than the nation would eventually be acknowledged. It’s easy for the NFL to dismiss STL as a “nice to have”.

Welp, the Hoffman family is out. They just bought the Pittsburgh

I never thought the Hoffmans as a legitimate option. Chafietz are the best and most interested.

Besides didn’t the Hoffmans just unloaded a bunch of properties they recently purchased? Seems the Penguins are always up for sale though


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