Xing wrote:Juice13610 wrote:
Notice the comments coming from the community.
I'm scared to look.
You should be. I would be embarassed to live in Collinsville. These are the typical podunks responding.
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You should be. I would be embarassed to live in Collinsville. These are the typical podunks responding.
Juice13610 wrote:Xing wrote:Juice13610 wrote:
Notice the comments coming from the community.
I'm scared to look.
You should be. I would be embarassed to live in Collinsville after reading them. These are the typical podunks responding.
Juice13610 wrote:
You should be. I would be embarassed to live in Collinsville. These are the typical podunks responding.
Some people are so focused on their robotic lives; working, sleeping,eating and randomly complaining about taxes; that the only issue that breaks the monotony of a cliché life is that moment when they must pay their taxes.
I wonder if that's why we lost the Grizzlies...
The fact is that some people just don't want the rush and the excitement of everything. I know this is a foreign idea to a bunch of city-lovers, but its the truth.
The fact is that some people just don't want the rush and the excitement of everything. I know this is a foreign idea to a bunch of city-lovers, but its the truth.
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I know exactly what you mean.Shimmy wrote:
The fact is that some people just don't want the rush and the excitement of everything.
I understand their jobs may keep them here, etc, but why live in a suburban area if you don't want the rush of urban/suburban life?
Juice13610 wrote:I know exactly what you mean.Shimmy wrote:
The fact is that some people just don't want the rush and the excitement of everything.
I understand their jobs may keep them here, etc, but why live in a suburban area if you don't want the rush of urban/suburban life?
You said it: jobs. Plus if this is where they were born and raised...a lot of the Metro East is still able to maintain that small town independence/character, but that is rapidly changing.
Admittedly, it took me awhile to comprehend that some people want different things in life, but I've learned to appreciate and understand that. I drove out to Arcola(small town south of Champaign, heart of Illinois Amish country) this weekend for a football game and it was nothing but cornfields to the horizon. But it was peaceful and nice. There's just not many jobs around.
Shimmy wrote:I wonder if that's why we lost the Grizzlies...
The fact is that some people just don't want the rush and the excitement of everything. I know this is a foreign idea to a bunch of city-lovers, but its the truth.
I'm totally cool with that, but to live anywhere within a 30 mile radius of a major metropolitan area's downtown, and expecting it to remain "quaint," is honestly near impossible, unless its a Forest preserve, or National Park.
This is 10 miles from Downtown!! It's still a cornfield! Seriously, compare that with many other major cities, and that's amazing.
But to compliment what you said, I love small towns, and I respect the perception of land preservation. The Metro East's argument, to encourage urbanity, could be that it would protect the loss of farmland.
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I am truly amazed at how many blatantly ignorant and truly uneducated people there are in this country everytime I read something like the comments blog on the BND site.
newstl2020 wrote:I am truly amazed at how many blatantly ignorant and truly uneducated people there are in this country everytime I read something like the comments blog on the BND site.
Yeah, ignore that garbage. Dont let that crap give you a bad impression of the Metro East. The News Democrat never filters its online message board, or their comments, ever. Don't ask me why.
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This is what concerns me in that article.
Given its location within site range of Monk's Mound, you know there were hundreds or thousands of people living on this site during the Cahokia days. Once they start tearing up the land, you know they are going to find something. That could be a major hurdle.
The council also approved a final plat only for the wetlands area contained with the project, which removes it from development and protects it. There is still archaeological and environmental reviews to be done on the site, Mann said.
Given its location within site range of Monk's Mound, you know there were hundreds or thousands of people living on this site during the Cahokia days. Once they start tearing up the land, you know they are going to find something. That could be a major hurdle.
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^ True - but I wonder how much of this area was disturbed when the Interstates went through. I believe the area has had active farming on it for many decades as well so I'd bet the farmers have collected any arrow head, stones, etc. that were there. And anyway, it seems quite rediculous to be worried about archeological discoveries when you're 50 feet from 50,000 passing cars a day - if only they had given a rat's a$$ when they put roads through.
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I know. The whole site should have been preserved better than it was (and continues to be).
But, on the land, there might be stuff there below the 1 foot down that a plow goes. There might be burial grounds or even an ancient landfill. Either of those two would put the brakes on this project big time. It might not be a big deal, but you know they were there ... there has to be some remaining evidence there that would be lost if houses and soccer stadiums would be built.
But, on the land, there might be stuff there below the 1 foot down that a plow goes. There might be burial grounds or even an ancient landfill. Either of those two would put the brakes on this project big time. It might not be a big deal, but you know they were there ... there has to be some remaining evidence there that would be lost if houses and soccer stadiums would be built.
The coffin was sealed long ago. And the conservative pussies that run the community are too chicken-sh*t to do anything radical that might revive it or improve it.rustedhinge wrote:I drove through beautiful downtown Collinsville and wow it was a little backwards.
Main street is a "one way" street so if you walk along the sidewalk against traffic, it feels like a highway. The street has a sense of being rushed. There were actually a lot more dog walkers than people enjoying outdoor dining areas. Actually, I only saw one family dine outside. The street is very dead but the automobile traffic is intense. ..it's just so weird.
There are a lot of sidewalks under demolition now. I'm not sure why. Most intersections have painted crosswalks and push button pedestrian lights. The street looks poised to be a vibrant hot spot. ...if...
they would make the street 2-way!
I think the downtown is nice. I just hope the proposed MLS development isn't the nail to seal the coffin so to speak.
The street was two-way until thiry or forty years ago. The idea was brought back up w/in the past year during the IL159 discussions, but it was shelved again because the fire department and a few other vocal minorites bitched about it and said that it wouldn't be safe,etc.
The sidewalk construction is a continuation of the "Street-scaping" down the western portion of Main Street.
95% of the discussion I have heard about the stadium development has been negative - most of the people in these are misinformed and ignorant has hell about the issue (which is normal).
I personally have only heard good things from people. But I don't think many people are really thinking too much of this project as a reality. From what I've observed, people are more like "That's cool." and that's about it.
And Xing, I've seen you use that idea before about the preservation of farmland to protect against sprawl and I think that is an excellent idea.
And Xing, I've seen you use that idea before about the preservation of farmland to protect against sprawl and I think that is an excellent idea.
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Het BA, whatch your language. There are children around here. 
You dont have to back up your name by talking like a bada$$
^See what I did there? Huh? Huh?
You dont have to back up your name by talking like a bada$$^See what I did there? Huh? Huh?
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wheelscomp wrote:Het BA, whatch your language. There are children around here.
^See what I did there? Huh? Huh?
I agree. This could happen anywhere, and it was obvious BA wanted to make more of a political statement than a constructive argument.
And I also wanted to copy/paste some comments from the BND.com article to show you how moronic these people can be.
I am disappointed that this project is set to continue. As a Collinsville homeowner & taxpayer, I do not want this kind of venture in my town. Soccer!!! Give me a break! Collinsville & the surrounding communities will not support this kind of thing, and I can see it failing before it's even started. How about "urbanizing" the Orchards or the old Wal-mart before bringing in some new things?
My favorite part is the line about "Collinsville and the surround communities will not support this kind of thing." Guess they forgot they are situated 15 minutes to a major city.
Then another poster says;
I still say if this is such a great project why do they need the city? The city can issue revenue bonds without any financial responsibility to allow some tax free income for investors.
To the person that thinks Crossroad Commons is good for Collinsville all I can say is wait and see. This is prime to be another hole for theives to assemble and rob the hard working honest people that go there. I give it 2 years and everyone with any sense will drive to Glen Carbon to avoid that area. I've been to the new Walmart once and since I don't speak spanish I felt out of place and there was no place to press 1 for english. The mexicans and blacks will be the biggest supporters of Crossroad Commons
When he was ignored, he commented;
No one seems to want to answer the question, if this is such a great plan why does the developer need the taxpayers to take the risk?
To which someone intelligently responded;
I'll respond to your question. The Dome? Subsidized. Busch 1? Subsidized. Busch 2? SUBSIDIZED. Should we have sent the cardinals elsewhere because they aparently have a horrible business plan and needed subsidies to build their new stadium? This is an awesome plan destined to bring more people to Collinsville than would ever consider going there otherwise. I have no reason to go East of the river. I'm sorry but that is the truth. If this goes through? I'm there rooting on the UNITED every chance I get.
Another poster;
This is just another rehash of the ideas that were expounded regarding building a hotel in COllinsville 20 years ago. The politicians buddies made money, it is still a drain on the taxpayers and never will be a success. If that stadium could be a success private enterpirses would have built it years ago. Another pie in teh sky idea dreamed up by the Illinoisans
Another poster;
Another great way to waste taxpayer dollars brought to you by the politicians and the dummies that elected them in Illinois. Just think, those Illinois people can not understand why another state does not want to build a bridge with them.
I will note, however, that several seemingly-Collinsville residents are happy that this is moving forward, according to some posts.
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Wow. I feel honored as the intelligent one of the group! It might mean a little bit more if it wasn't so easy. I would normally not respond to something as ignorant as that blog, but the project deserved its just credit and due.
It might mean a little bit more if it wasn't so easy. I would normally not respond to something as ignorant as that blog, but the project deserved its just credit and due.- 2,772
Oh, c'mon guys. You know you'd rather have an "urbanized Wal Mart"
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Sorry about the language. I am easily annoyed w/ the old guard that runs Collinsville. For the most part, they are afraid to do anything that might change for the better and improve this old bedroom community.Juice13610 wrote:wheelscomp wrote:Het BA, whatch your language. There are children around here.
^See what I did there? Huh? Huh?
I agree. This could happen anywhere, and it was obvious BA wanted to make more of a political statement than a constructive argument.
I'm still in shock that they have been proactive when it comes to this soccer development. I kept waiting for them to screw it up, but it just keeps on moving along. It's great. I am anxious to see the final product.
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B.A. wrote:Sorry about the language. I am easily annoyed w/ the old guard that runs Collinsville. For the most part, they are afraid to do anything that might change for the better and improve this old bedroom community.
I'm still in shock that they have been proactive when it comes to this soccer development. I kept waiting for them to screw it up, but it just keeps on moving along. It's great. I am anxious to see the final product.
Don't worry about it...I think everyone is a bit surprised! In my old town they screwed up every opportunity they had. It was full of the same NIMBYs.
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Im just suprised some of BA's words got through. Most bad words on here get edited, but apparently P*****s doesnt. Whatever. I was kind of kidding.
But seriously, if you want to swear go comment on the skyscraperpage forum. You can say whatever you want on there but the discussions arent as good and you dont get as much information etc.
But seriously, if you want to swear go comment on the skyscraperpage forum. You can say whatever you want on there but the discussions arent as good and you dont get as much information etc.
Sorry about the language. I am easily annoyed w/ the old guard that runs Collinsville.
You could easily remove Collinsville from that sentence, and insert just about any community in the St. Louis region.