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PostNov 16, 2007#176

Now we may not know until early next year? I can't help the feeling that we're being strung along until Philadelphia can get its act together. I hope I'm wrong.


MLS: Area group is confident of chances

By Tom Timmermann

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

11/15/2007



Major League Soccer announced Tuesday that it will be adding a team in Seattle in 2009, bringing the number of teams in the league to 15. Whether or not team 16 is in St. Louis is still very much up in the air.



The league's board of governors will meet this week in Washington to discuss expansion, but Commissioner Don Garber said it's unlikely an announcement will come this week as to whether the next team will be in St. Louis or Philadelphia. It's been two months since Collinsville approved a plan for a stadium, the last component needed to give St. Louis a shot at a team, and the waiting game may go on for another month.



Jeff Cooper, the East Alton attorney who has spearheaded the effort to bring a team here, remains "very optimistic."



"I think it's just a long process, longer than I expected," said Cooper. "By the end of the year, early next year, I expect to hear something.



"MLS would like us to really finalize our ownership group, which we're in the process of doing. They would like Philadelphia to finalize its stadium deal. Both things will be done in the near future, and both cities will have teams in the league, if I had to read the tea leaves. Whether we start in 2009 or 2010 would be up to the league's discretion."



Garber said there are issues in both markets and the league is working to see which city will be ready to play in 2009.



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PostNov 16, 2007#177

^As much as it sucks, that's been the basic deadline all along. But yes, it does seem like they'd like Philadelphia more than one here first. Sitting by for a concrete ownership group seems like a load of crap to me.

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PostNov 17, 2007#178

We've got the team, imo, but what we're waiting to hear, is whether we have it in 2009, or 2010. That's probably all we're competing for.

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Apparently, there was some kind of statement by the league commissioner today. I was reading about it on Big Soccer.



I did not listen to it, but from what I gathered MLS wants Cooper to bring on another deep pocket investor. That seems to be the holdup on their part. I am not sure I really understand that, but I guess if the franchise fails in Saint Louis Cooper might not have deep enough pockets to keep it viable until it does become profitable.



I am sure there will be stories about it in the next fews days. Anyone know any billionaires in town that like soccer?







here is an early article I found on it:


Garber went on to give a breakdown of the markets that could serve as expansion sites in the future, with the league in talks with potential owners in Atlanta, Las Vegas, Miami, Philadelphia, Montreal, New York, Portland, Ore., St. Louis and Vancouver, British Columbia.



One of the sites that has generated a lot of headlines recently is Philadelphia.



"We have spent the last year in negotiations with Chester and Delaware County and the state of Pennsylvania through Governor (Edward G.) Rendell, trying to put a package together for a stadium that would exist on the waterfront in Chester at the base of the Commodore Perry Bridge," Garber said. He would later add, "The Philadelphia market is very close to the finish line but it's up to the legislature to push that funding package out there by the December 15th session. If that happens then Philadelphia has the inside track. If that doesn't happen then Philadelphia could go way down on the list."



St. Louis joins Philadelphia as the front-runners to be the league's 16th franchise, with Garber saying, "We speak with a potential ownership group there almost on a daily basis."



Garber went on to say the league's plan is to have 16 teams in 2009, but added, "If we are unable to confirm a 16th team by the end of the year, I would think by January 31st, we will likely make the decision to play with 15 teams in 2009."



Garber's address precedes the 2007 MLS Cup final, which will be played at RFK Stadium in Washington on Sunday between defending champion Houston and New England.
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PostNov 17, 2007#180

I really hate to say it, because this will hopefully be the start of much more development on the East side, but I cannot shake the feeling that if this was happening in the city of StL, instead of Collinsville, we would have allready gotten a pleasant announcement by now.

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PostNov 17, 2007#181

^ As much as I would have preferred a location in the city proper, I'm not convinced that's the case. The plans for Collinsville are great IMHO.



I thought most if not all of the MLS venues were away from city centers. Off the top of my head, I know FC Dallas plays in the far north suburb of Frisco, Tex., which is more than 30 miles away from downtown Dallas. I fear that the MLS will hold out for ownership with deeper pockets, and that it may be hard for Saint Louis (18th largest metro, 21st largest media market) to complete with Philadelphia, which is the 4th largest media market IIRC.

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PostNov 18, 2007#182

It does sound like someone needs to step up to the plate. Anyone know if any of the Taylor's play soccer? St. Louis Enterprise would be a cool name as well!

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PostNov 18, 2007#183

Jeff Cooper was on the radio this afternoon and was very matter-of-fact about the fact that St Louis has not been announced was an official expansion city. He also said he believes that it is not really a competition between St louis and Philadelphia as MLS has stated they want to be at 18 teams by 2010. He feels that once St Louis Soccer United meets the requirements recently put forth (deep pocket investor) that they will be announce as an expansion city for 2009 and if Philadelphia can get the state funds they need they will be anounced as a new team for 2010, leaving one spot left for Portland, Las Vegas, Vancouver, 2nd New York team, etc. He said they are in advanced level negiotiations with 5 different individuals/groups who would fulfill the requirements set forth by MLS. He also indicted that St Louis is the only expansion candidate that is fully ready to break ground on a new Stadium making St Louis a natural choice for the 2009 slot.

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PostNov 20, 2007#184

thanks for that info! ^

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PostNov 20, 2007#185

I drove past the Columbus Crew stadium Friday night and had never seen it before. While I know some have been relatively underwhelmed by the renderings of the STL stadium, it's impressive compared to Columbus. At least from the outside, the Columbus stadium was nice, but the bowl around the top of the renderings and surroundings really add some class. Wish the location afforded some nice shots of downtown, though.

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PostNov 20, 2007#186

mcarril wrote:Jeff Cooper was on the radio this afternoon and was very matter-of-fact about the fact that St Louis has not been announced was an official expansion city. He also said he believes that it is not really a competition between St louis and Philadelphia as MLS has stated they want to be at 18 teams by 2010. He feels that once St Louis Soccer United meets the requirements recently put forth (deep pocket investor) that they will be announce as an expansion city for 2009 and if Philadelphia can get the state funds they need they will be anounced as a new team for 2010, leaving one spot left for Portland, Las Vegas, Vancouver, 2nd New York team, etc. He said they are in advanced level negiotiations with 5 different individuals/groups who would fulfill the requirements set forth by MLS. He also indicted that St Louis is the only expansion candidate that is fully ready to break ground on a new Stadium making St Louis a natural choice for the 2009 slot.


Okay...I've been a bit cynical...but I think this news is quite encouraging! Thanks for posting! 8)

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PostNov 29, 2007#187

OT, but I had to post this somewhere.

On the C-D forums, someone actually posted this when someone inquired about Collinsville;



"Collinsville is an old working class town. Not much happening there. Fairview Heights is crowded and gets some East St. Loius folks that are scary. Great shopping there but I'd live in O'Fallon or Shiloh. My .02 worth."

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PostNov 29, 2007#188

^ Great shopping indeed - a Home Depot, Target AND Wal-Mart all within, um . . . driving distance! :lol:

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I know you were talking in jest, but Fairview has about any chain retail you could imagine. I just find it disgusting that someone actually said Fairview isn't desirable to live in because of "scary E St Louis people." :roll:

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Yea, they obviously had a bag over their head the last time they drove on 55-70. Collinsville Crossing is a huge success, the downtown is in the midst of a huge revitalization, all the business moving in along Horseshoe Lake Road, and the interest in redeveloping the old Walmart building on Beltline road. I could keep going too. Here are the numbers reported on St. Louis Commerce Magazine for fastest growing areas in St, Louis MSA. Is that Collinsville AND Fairview Heights I see right next to St. Charles and Clayton in Population growth? Someone still thinks it is desirable to live in those cities!!!



FASTEST GROWING AREAS

City (County) % Increase in Population (1990-2005)

O’Fallon, MO (St. Charles) 272.7%

Godfrey, IL (Madison) 212.7%

Hazelwood, MO (St. Louis) 66.6%

Edwardsville, IL (Madison) 64.9%

O’Fallon, IL (St. Clair) 56.5%

Glen Carbon, IL (Madison) 54.3%

Ballwin, MO (St. Louis) 39.7%

Creve Coeur, MO (St. Louis) 38.0%

Washington, MO (Franklin) 32.1%

Chesterfield, MO (St. Louis) 23.8%

St. Peters, MO (St. Charles) 18.4%

Clayton, MO (St. Louis) 15.8%

Fairview Heights, IL (St. Clair) 14.8%

St. Charles, MO (St. Charles) 14.2%

Town and Country, MO (St. Louis) 13.5%

Collinsville, IL (Madison/St. Clair) 13.5%

Arnold, MO (Jefferson) 8.4%

Maryland Heights, MO (St. Louis) 4.5%

Crestwood, MO (St. Louis) 4.1%

Florissant, MO (St. Louis) 1.2%



http://www.stlcommercemagazine.com/arch ... phics.html

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diesel wrote: Someone still thinks it is desirable to live in those cities!!!


Yeah, but the population growth is probably just the influx of the scary E St Louisans :roll:



Alright, back on topic now, before the forum po-po shut us down.

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diesel wrote:Yea, they obviously had a bag over their head the last time they drove on 55-70. Collinsville Crossing is a huge success, the downtown is in the midst of a huge revitalization, all the business moving in along Horseshoe Lake Road, and the interest in redeveloping the old Walmart building on Beltline road.[/url]


I wouldn't say downtown is going through a huge revitalization, but there's at least finally some momentum. Friday's Bar is a great place to grab a great burger and that opened up last spring and work has begun on streetscape improvements farther west on Main Street. But, nothing makes me happier than when I was walking downtown and saw that they were finally going to do something with either the best or second best(Miner's Theater) building on Main Street, the old FCB bank. It has sat vacant and vandalized and disrepaired for years now and finally there will be a coffee/wine thing opening in it. I meant to take a picture and start a thread, but never got around to it.



I can't figure out how to post pictures on here so here's a link to a picture courtesy of Steve Patterson:







But even with that, I'd still say that 35-40% of the storefronts are vacant or boarded up. So I can't really blame the person because almost all of Collinsville's growth is on the outskirts. And, Collinsville is an old blue collar, mining town and older parts of town still reflect that.



My bad. Yes, back on topic.

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PostNov 30, 2007#193

It's not all visual.....Have a little faith in your city!



http://www.collinsvilleillinois.org/nowcommercial.html



Progress brews behind scenes for downtown Collinsville

BY ELIZABETH DONALD

News-Democrat





COLLINSVILLE --A year from now, residents will see a very different downtown, officials say -- and some signs of change are already being seen.



The sounds of blues on Saturday on outdoor stages followed construction crews burying power lines and laying new sidewalks along Main Street. Those changes take place beside empty storefronts, but city officials say those stores won't be empty for long.



"It's hard for the public to perceive, because they don't see anything yet," said downtown coordinator Melissa Leavy.



Take the State Bank building, empty for several years. It's now under renovation by a new owner to turn it into a coffeehouse and banquet hall -- a major change for the biggest empty building on Main Street.



"That's our peak value intersection, and it's good to see redevelopment there," said community developer Paul Mann. "None of it is set in stone, but it's being looked at at this time."



Mann said the combination of downtown events -- the blues festival, summer movie series, concerts on the lawn of the Blum House -- and the regionwide focus on Collinsville over the soccer stadium proposal have led to a resurgence of interest in downtown.



"The soccer stadium has brought a whole new level of interest in Collinsville," he said. "More people are looking at downtown buildings now than ever since I've been here."



The city itself is getting into the act. Months after forming a new downtown commission, the City Council voted to increase the amount of life-safety grants from the tax increment financing fund available, with a $90,000 cap. Downtown owners also can get low-interest loans in addition to grants for improving their buildings.



Leavy said that would help solve the biggest hurdle to bringing businesses downtown: century-old buildings and infrastructure.



"It's not like you're starting with a new building," Leavy said. "Some things have been neglected for decades."



For example, the State Bank building bids just for adding sprinklers came in from $95,000 to $135,000, she said.



"There's a commitment by the city to reinvest in downtown, and this is evidenced by putting more TIF money into life-safety (grants)," Mann said. "That's the only way to get this going. Cosmetic changes are nothing. Our problems are structural problems and fire code problems. ... That's the only way any of these buildings can be rehabbed."



For example, the closed Isle of U building is "substandard," Mann said. "There's mold and structural issues, it's an eyesore and it doesn't help downtown by any stretch. It's problematic."



The streetscape changes helped a lot, Leavy said. "Just getting rid of the utility lines. ... it looks so much better," she said.



But now that there's a focus on downtown and the city is putting money behind it, coupled with Leavy's efforts to create more "destination" events downtown, Mann said a lot is happening behind the scenes.



"You get this synergy going and it infects the whole community," he said. "It's exciting, it really is. Until you see something physical you're wary or speculative, but behind the scenes ... it's a different story."



Among those "behind the scenes" proposals, according to Mann:



• Negotiations are under way to buy the Apex Building next to Friday's South, expanding the restaurant to the next building and add a Greek restaurant, offices and condominiums upstairs.



• Representatives of St. Louis Soccer United are contemplating a satellite office downtown, at least until the soccer project is up and running.



• An Italian bistro has been proposed for the Ostle Pharmacy site.



• A "New Urbanist" lifestyle center, combining retail, office and high-end condos in the vicinity of Combs and Hesperia.



• The long-empty Collinsville Herald Building, will become the site of a microbrewery currently operating on Lindell in St. Louis.



Mark Levy, an attorney who has had an office downtown for four years, has been involved with the new downtown committee and helped organize Saturday's blues festival. He said he's seen a real change in the last year with Collinsville's historically troubled downtown.



"I've seen city government focus on it, finally," he said. "I give the mayor and the administration credit. They're really trying to find ways to reinvigorate downtown. ... They're giving it a genuine effort."



Contact reporter Elizabeth Donald at edonald@bnd.com or 345-7822, ext. 21.

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Wow, touche! Great find, it was as if that article was directed towards me. It's good to hear the interest in downtown has grown since the soccer proposal. The streetscape attracting people was tried before and didn't work, but I'm glad to hear everything else is looking up. Again, I can't tell you how excited I am about the bank building.



I think a major improvement would be restoring the Miners Theater. I am a friend of the theater and know the people that put on performances there, I've played hide-and-go-seek there, and even did a ghost investigation there. The people there are really passionate about the theater and are really trying hard to restore the theater, its just a huge(and expensive) task. I even wrote a persuasive English paper directed towards community residents to take interest in the theater because I believe that could be the biggest brick of all for central Collinsville.



Granted, the paper was only seen by the teacher, but still...

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PostDec 24, 2007#195

Philadelphia, St. Louis loom as favorites as league nears adding 16th franchise.



This new article from Soccer Times implies the new franchise is Philly's to lose to get to 16. St. Louis might be in the running if and when they go to 18 sometime later. They have an ownership group in place but no funding until late January. St. Louis has funding in place, but not an acceptable ownership group. Seattles ownership group includes Paul Allen and Drew Carey. (Isn't he from Cleveland?) Hard to believe Jeff Cooper can't find a big money partner around here or in Illinois.



http://www.soccertimes.com/mls/2007/dec23

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Gary Kreie wrote:Philadelphia, St. Louis loom as favorites as league nears adding 16th franchise.



This new article from Soccer Times implies the new franchise is Philly's to lose to get to 16. St. Louis might be in the running if and when they go to 18 sometime later. They have an ownership group in place but no funding until late January. St. Louis has funding in place, but not an acceptable ownership group. Seattles ownership group includes Paul Allen and Drew Carey. (Isn't he from Cleveland?) Hard to believe Jeff Cooper can't find a big money partner around here or in Illinois.



http://www.soccertimes.com/mls/2007/dec23


It is not a matter of money. I think it is a matter of MLS not wanting Cooper or Saint Louis. We have been used as a pawn for Salt Lake, Seattle and Philly - that is pretty much the long and short of it. I am surprised KC didn't try to use us to justify their new stadium deal too.



As optimistic as I was a few months ago, I am that pessimistic now. I don't think it is going to happen for 2009, and I doubt it will happen after that either. Collinsville is going to have to repass all their approvals and I doubt they will do it after having looked like fools this time around.



I hope it still happens, but it is looking less and less likely with each passing day.

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PostJan 15, 2008#197

I've heard of this as a possibility for a while. Would it be possible? We probably don't have enough people to get another NBA team, but could an MLS team succeed here?



Here's a Post-Dispatch article about it:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports ... enDocument



*Sorry, didn't see the other thread. Please merge this post into the other thread. Thanks.

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PostJan 15, 2008#198

no worries.

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PostJan 15, 2008#199

Well, Bernie certainly doesn't sound very positive about our chances.

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It is not looking very good right now. It seems there is an end of January deadline for Philly to be considered for 2009, but it does not seem anymore that Saint Louis is the alternative to Philly. It seems MLS has said "NO" to Saint Louis until Cooper brings on some more investors. Because MLS seems determined to pick Philly, Cooper is struggling to bring on investors.



The consensus seems to be that Cooper did everything that was necessary and expected of him to get a team, however, when he presented that to MLS, they changed their minds and wanted deeper pockets (Cooper apparently has pockets deeper than 3 current MLS owners, but less deep than 9 others).



It really is a shame too. Cooper has presented the total package, a nice new stadium, a stable fanbase, a city willing to cooperate, a whole soccer-based development with multiple youth fields, a merged youth league, and on and on. He just doesn't have the money of a Paul Allen, who managed to get a team in Seattle even though few of the typical new franchise requirements were in place. MLS seems to have bigger fish to fry now a days.



Hopefully things turn around and we get a team. That is still the best case scenario, but we need to start considering what will happen if we don't. Cooper is already somewhat on the hook for a women's pro team and has promised to bring professional soccer to Saint Louis, so perhaps he will consider the USL instead. I sure hope not, but at this point the options are beginning to be limited.

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