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PostAug 02, 2009#376

Someone who commented on the Urbanophile's post on Citygarden said that a new staffer has been hired to make sure people don't swim in the fountains.



Now what was that whole thing about a space with no limits?

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PostAug 03, 2009#377

There are two security guards on duty 24 hours, one of whom sat down next to my girlfriend and chatted her up while my daughter and I checked out the garden. He told her that they were keeping people out the larger, eastern fountain/water features after initially letting them swim/splash there. He said nor suggested anything about keeping the kids out of the smaller fountains.

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PostAug 03, 2009#378

Matt Drops The H wrote:Someone who commented on the Urbanophile's post on Citygarden said that a new staffer has been hired to make sure people don't swim in the fountains.



Now what was that whole thing about a space with no limits?


Good. This is a sculpture garden, not a swimming pool for hoosiers.

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PostAug 03, 2009#379

Oh right! Sorry. I forgot that these "hoosiers" bathe in this pool knowing that it's intended to be drinking water.



No, wait. That's right. It's a fountain...

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PostAug 03, 2009#380

I was there last night. Security was letting kids play in the waterfall fountain, but not in the wading pool by the splash fountains.

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PostAug 03, 2009#381

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:This is a sculpture garden, not a swimming pool for hoosiers.


I need clarity. Are you deemed a hoosier only if you enter the water areas? Or, is a dry hoos just as hoos as the wet hoos? This elitist logic is fascinating to me.

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PostAug 03, 2009#382

I would think limiting the swimming in the wading pool by the splash fountains is pretty smart. That was just an accident waiting to happen. I love the waterfall and hope they continue to allow playing in that area.



I guess I'm a hoosier as I let my two year old play in the waterfall area. In our defense, she is not wearing cut off jeans and she is has a swimsuit on.

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PostAug 03, 2009#383

stlmark wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:This is a sculpture garden, not a swimming pool for hoosiers.


I need clarity. Are you deemed a hoosier only if you enter the water areas? Or, is a dry hoos just as hoos as the wet hoos? This elitist logic is fascinating to me.
I took my nephews there and they enjoyed cooling off and playing in the water. CS just feels better if he can put others down. Some kind of inadequacy thing I spose...

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PostAug 03, 2009#384

stlmark wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:This is a sculpture garden, not a swimming pool for hoosiers.


I need clarity. Are you deemed a hoosier only if you enter the water areas? Or, is a dry hoos just as hoos as the wet hoos? This elitist logic is fascinating to me.


Of course not. Many hoosiers decide not to go swimming.



Remember, "elitist" is a compliment.

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PostAug 04, 2009#385

The hoosiers were out in force last night. We, er I mean they, had a going away party for a classmate who is moving back to New Mexico replete with picnic dinner and a dozen young kids in swim wear.

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PostAug 05, 2009#386

lukethedrifter wrote:The hoosiers were out in force last night. We, er I mean they, had a going away party for a classmate who is moving back to New Mexico replete with picnic dinner and a dozen young kids in swim wear.


How dare you?!? That die-hard libertarian The Central Scrutinizer says that just because something is built to be played with doesn't mean you're actually allowed to play with it! You hoosier!



I'm considering taking my kids swimming there every day just to keep a-holes like him away.

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PostAug 06, 2009#387

It's not been "hoosiers" that I've seen filling up the fountains, it has however been another class of unsupervised children who act like idiots and swim with reckless abandon, hitting my 2 year old and things when he's just standing there.

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PostAug 10, 2009#388

A very serious question. Can black people be hoosiers? Seriously I don't know.

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Also, were the pond-like areas meant to be used as swmming pools or not?

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PostAug 10, 2009#390

leeharveyawesome wrote:A very serious question. Can black people be hoosiers? Seriously I don't know.


The term "hoosier" generally implies "white", as in "white trash". However, hoosier behavior really knows no bounds.

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leeharveyawesome wrote:Also, were the pond-like areas meant to be used as swmming pools or not?


No.



From what I have been told, they've been getting complaints, mostly from people who have the nerve to go there thinking it's a sculpture garden, only to be splashed with water from hoosier spawn. I think you'll see the rules changing next summer, if they haven't already.

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PostAug 10, 2009#392

I think that it is refreshing to have the "no rules" type policy, but it's unfortunate that people given an inch will take ten miles. Friday, there were several families (or maybe one extended family) who set up lawn chairs and picnic blankets by the waterfall. Their kids were jumping in the pool; the mother(s) were eating take out food and had it spread all around.



I don't know what the line is or if it should even be an issue. But to me there is just some inherent difference between coming down for an impromptu splash in the water jets, and making the sculpture garden into an all-day community pool and picnic area.

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PostAug 11, 2009#393

bprop wrote:But to me there is just some inherent difference between coming down for an impromptu splash in the water jets, and making the sculpture garden into an all-day community pool and picnic area.


Exactly.

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Joe, have you ever interviewed Danny Meyer? I think it's time for Shake Shack STL on Kiener Plaza!

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PostAug 18, 2009#396

The Citygarden turned out very well. A good mix of sculpture and interactivity, which will hopeful improve once the cafe is open (though closing it off to Chestnut is a mistake. The keys going forward are a commitment to rotating new sculpture in the garden and improving east-west connections to draw in more people.

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PostSep 09, 2009#398

Neal Peirce weighs in on Citygarden


City Parks’ Grand Rebirth



Neal Peirce / Sep 04 2009



For Release Sunday, September 6, 2009

© 2009 Washington Post Writers Group



ST. LOUIS — City sponsors were so nervous about the unveiling of their new downtown park this summer that they arranged for an ice cream truck to park at the site on opening day, just to attract passerbys.



They needn’t have bothered. Citygarden, just west of the famed Gateway Arch on the Mississippi River, has drawn crowds of people–a cross-section of the city and region’s population–from its opening hour onward.



The attractions include a cornucopia of trees, contemporary sculpture, an 180-foot rectangular basin with a six-foot waterfall, a state-of-the-art “spray plaza,” a state-of-the-art LED video wall displaying art and movies, plus a high-quality cafe overlooking the combined attractions.



What this new park doesn’t have are any formal entrances or barriers to separate its manicured paths and quiet spaces from the surrounding city streets. Richard C.D. Fleming, president of the St. Louis Regional Chamber and Growth Association, suggests it’s an “intimate version of Millennium Park,” the Chicago lakeside extravaganza opened in 2004.



For St. Louis, for years so forsaken its downtown had the feel of a big and mostly empty living room, the public’s warm embrace of Citygarden caps a remarkable comeback decade which has seen the center city draw 5,000 residents and more than $4 billion in new investment.


Link to Article

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PostSep 20, 2009#399

“There are several development opportunities right in the vicinity, and as the economy recovers, I think Citygarden will make those sites a lot more attractive,” the newspaper quoted Barbara Geisman, the City’s executive director of development, as saying. “This is probably one of the best things that’s happened downtown in the last couple of decades.”



Among other news services and national publications that have covered the garden are the Associated Press, WashingtonPost.com,

and USAToday.com. In addition, stories are currently in preparation at Metropolitan Homes, Interior Design, Architectural Record, American Style, Topos, Sculpture Magazine, Planning, Urban Land, Landscape Architecture, and Midwest Living, among other print and on-line publications.



In other words, Citygarden has not only given downtown St. Louis—not known for its active, public spaces—one of the most chic public spaces in any American city; it has also created a major new destination attraction for St. Louisans and visitors alike. In just a few short months, it has also brought flattering attention to St. Louis from publications all over the country and the world.



http://www.stlcommercemagazine.com/arch ... cover.html

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PostApr 05, 2011#400

St. Louis' Citygarden among five finalists for national open space award

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/colu ... 0f31a.html

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