The seasons will be sweet in City Garden! Can't wait for winter personally.
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Grover wrote:The seasons will be sweet in City Garden! Can't wait for winter personally.
I agree. I wish we could have a skating rink downtown again - I don't know if you were in STL when we had "Downtown on Ice," but it was really fantastic. Until City Garden was built, it was the only thing that activated the Gateway Mall.
Well, the Gateway Mall master plan includes a proposal for a lake/skating rink surrounding the Milles fountain in front of Union Station. Not sure if this would be too far from the center of downtown.DeBaliviere wrote:I agree. I wish we could have a skating rink downtown again - I don't know if you were in STL when we had "Downtown on Ice," but it was really fantastic. Until City Garden was built, it was the only thing that activated the Gateway Mall.Grover wrote:The seasons will be sweet in City Garden! Can't wait for winter personally.
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Mill204 wrote:Well, the Gateway Mall master plan includes a proposal for a lake/skating rink surrounding the Milles fountain in front of Union Station. Not sure if this would be too far from the center of downtown.
I'd rather keep the Milles Fountain as it is and have the rink elsewhere.
Downtown on Ice was cool because the rink was surrounded by skyscrapers and had a much different feel than a rink west of Tucker would.
The ice rink was where Citygarden. is now, so that space it out. I would suggest that a good site for a new rink would be on part of the Keiner Plaza blocks or where Twain is now.
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MattnSTL wrote:I would suggest that a good site for a new rink would be on part of the Keiner Plaza blocks or where Twain is now.
I'd be okay with taking out part of Kiener Plaza for a skating rink. I agree with what Grover said earlier about Twain- I'd like to see it incorporated into Citygarden, and based on sketches I once saw of Richard Serra's vision for the place (lots of vegetation/landscaping surrounding the sculpture), I think it would be a great way to tie that sculpture in with the rest of Citygarden, make that block more useful and appealing, and perhaps lead people to have a greater appreciation for Twain!
(Okay, the last goal may be a bit of a stretch. Twain isn't a beautiful work of art in the world by any means, but I've always liked it because of the different views and perspectives you can get of downtown by walking within its walls. Never mind what you may think the sculpture now- just make the block itself more attractive and useful and peoples' perception may change.)
I also agree with Juice about the temporary closure of Ninth Street. I say keep the street closed through the summer during peak usage, and then reopen it in the fall. Some consideration of traffic signal timing needs to be part of the plan, though, since there is a crosswalk but no crosswalk signals.
yea, time to reopen that street.
and Locust at 4th..
love this garden.
yes Doug, we ALL wish Real Estate Row wasn't torn down. complete idiots in the past. i'd love to see a list of names who was behind it.. i heard the GenAmerica people wanted Buder down.. and great, they don't even exist anymore!
i hope they continue to allow kids to swim in the fountains. someone could get hurt in Kiener too, but it's permissible there. maybe we should line the park with pillows and rubber...
and Locust at 4th..
love this garden.
yes Doug, we ALL wish Real Estate Row wasn't torn down. complete idiots in the past. i'd love to see a list of names who was behind it.. i heard the GenAmerica people wanted Buder down.. and great, they don't even exist anymore!
i hope they continue to allow kids to swim in the fountains. someone could get hurt in Kiener too, but it's permissible there. maybe we should line the park with pillows and rubber...
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zink wrote:Time to interrupt with pics!
I dont know... I just like this one.
Very cool photos Zink! Thanks for sharing!
I visited for the first time this afternoon, and it was just as impressive as what everyone has said so far. While I was there, a mounted policeman rode down the center pathway -- something I found vaguely interesting at the time if only because it would have made for a good photo. However, a few minutes later as I walked along the same pathway which is made from carved rock (I believe it's bluestone), I noticed a long series of scrapes along the rock. On closer inspection, I saw there were small pieces of chipped rock along with these white, powdery scrapes. I couldn't say this is a definite, but it's a good bet the horse's feet scuffed up the walkway. Each individual scrape was about the right size and right distance from the next for this to be the case, and the scrapes were there only after the horse walked through. I realize there's an emphasis on not having any "don't touch" rules, but perhaps excluding horses in the future would be a wise decision.
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The red eyes is not a photoshop. Quite a few policemen at the park friday night, walking from Wash ave to the park and back I counted about 40 police officers I assume due to the impending All Star game.
The red eyes is not a photoshop. Quite a few policemen at the park friday night, walking from Wash ave to the park and back I counted about 40 police officers I assume due to the impending All Star game.
jNewt wrote: On closer inspection, I saw there were small pieces of chipped rock along with these white, powdery scrapes. I couldn't say this is a definite, but it's a good bet the horse's feet scuffed up the walkway.
Interesting observation. You might want to forward your concerns to the Gateway Foundation. They would probably like to know what may have caused the damage.
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They are already starting regulating the swimming at Citygarden - which is a good thing.
The security guy tonight was *extremely* above and beyond friendly. He was not your typical hateful security guard.
Basically, the rules that I've noticed the security telling kids and parents are;
- in the waterfall fountain, you can only swim in the lower part where the waterfall is - no more swimming around the nude statue up top.
- in the other fountain that features (I believe) "The Voyage" man in a boat, no more getting in the boat, and you are not to stand on the outer edge (the ledge) of it - you have to crawl in to the fountain. VERY good idea, it is very slick and I could see a kid getting hurt very easily here.
The security guy tonight was *extremely* above and beyond friendly. He was not your typical hateful security guard.
Basically, the rules that I've noticed the security telling kids and parents are;
- in the waterfall fountain, you can only swim in the lower part where the waterfall is - no more swimming around the nude statue up top.
- in the other fountain that features (I believe) "The Voyage" man in a boat, no more getting in the boat, and you are not to stand on the outer edge (the ledge) of it - you have to crawl in to the fountain. VERY good idea, it is very slick and I could see a kid getting hurt very easily here.
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I brought my parents downtown to check out City Garden and give them a tour of some of the other developments that have taken place recently - they were really impressed!
Good crowd downtown today (before it rained, at least). My only complaint is that so many of the restaurants were closed - you'd think they'd make a killing on a day like today with lots of people in town for the ASG but not much on the schedule of events other than the futures game. Had 6 North been open, they would have been raking in the bucks.
Good crowd downtown today (before it rained, at least). My only complaint is that so many of the restaurants were closed - you'd think they'd make a killing on a day like today with lots of people in town for the ASG but not much on the schedule of events other than the futures game. Had 6 North been open, they would have been raking in the bucks.
JuiceInDogtown wrote:They are already starting regulating the swimming at Citygarden - which is a good thing.
The security guy tonight was *extremely* above and beyond friendly. He was not your typical hateful security guard.
Basically, the rules that I've noticed the security telling kids and parents are;
- in the waterfall fountain, you can only swim in the lower part where the waterfall is - no more swimming around the nude statue up top.
- in the other fountain that features (I believe) "The Voyage" man in a boat, no more getting in the boat, and you are not to stand on the outer edge (the ledge) of it - you have to crawl in to the fountain. VERY good idea, it is very slick and I could see a kid getting hurt very easily here.
I'm worried about the rocks that the kids were all climbing over.
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Shimmy wrote:JuiceInDogtown wrote:They are already starting regulating the swimming at Citygarden - which is a good thing.
The security guy tonight was *extremely* above and beyond friendly. He was not your typical hateful security guard.
Basically, the rules that I've noticed the security telling kids and parents are;
- in the waterfall fountain, you can only swim in the lower part where the waterfall is - no more swimming around the nude statue up top.
- in the other fountain that features (I believe) "The Voyage" man in a boat, no more getting in the boat, and you are not to stand on the outer edge (the ledge) of it - you have to crawl in to the fountain. VERY good idea, it is very slick and I could see a kid getting hurt very easily here.
I'm worried about the rocks that the kids were all climbing over.
I saw the security guard getting on them for doing that too, so I would imagine its just because nobody saw them.
Article in USA Today (with pics):
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinat ... rden_N.htm
By Betsy Taylor, Associated Press Writer
ST. LOUIS — A new sculpture garden in downtown St. Louis is trying to give a little something to everyone, offering a mixture of highbrow art, quiet spaces for reflection and whimsical spray fountains where visitors can cool off.
The park, called Citygarden, combines two dozen sculptures on three acres of land, from a giant bronze head resting on its side by Igor Mitoraj to animated figures walking across electronic screens by Julian Opie. Citygarden opened July 1.
"The challenge and the opportunity was not just to make a sculpture garden, but a place for the public," said Warren Byrd with the architectural design firm Nelson Byrd Woltz of Charlottesville, Va.
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http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinat ... rden_N.htm
Driving to work going south on 10th street, I noticed 3 security cameras (about one every other lighting pole) facing inwards to the Citygarden.
Are there cameras lines up all around the park?
Are there cameras lines up all around the park?
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I went to the Citygarden yesterday, was VERY impressed. I think it brings so much life to downtown. There were kids playing horns on the sidewalk, a food truck, photographers and families everywhere. I really liked the waterfall and the waterspouts coming out of the ground. One thing, they say the water is chlorinated, but I didn't smell chlorine. At one point, I smelled a fishy smell (sort of like water at the zoo) which may have been from water puddled up in the mud across the sidewalk. I wonder if they are using something like bromine, which does not smell as strong as chlorine. I didn't smell any chemical in the water. Anyone have an idea of what they are using to keep the water clean? One other issue is the the heavy foot traffic is trampling the grass all around the garden. With the water spilling out from kids and foot traffic, the grass was smashed and muddy in several places, like the Arch grounds after a concert.
Overall, this is a GREAT addition to our city, thanks to all that made it happen.
Overall, this is a GREAT addition to our city, thanks to all that made it happen.
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DOGTOWNB&R wrote: One thing, they say the water is chlorinated, but I didn't smell chlorine...
I smelled chlorine for sure at the 100 fountains area.
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^I'm sure it is chlorinated, but I didn't smell it like you would at a pool for instance. I actually put my hands and arms under the waterfall to cool off and didn't smell anything.
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I've smelled chlorine every time too - it better be chlorinated or I am going to be a very unhappy dad.
I can't imagine they would let people swim in them if they weren't.
I can't imagine they would let people swim in them if they weren't.
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Maybe just under-chlorinated. Maybe not, who knows. As long as it does not have urine in it someday, I will be fine.
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DOGTOWNB&R wrote:Maybe just under-chlorinated. Maybe not, who knows. As long as it does not have urine in it someday, I will be fine.
#-o ....Exactly WHEN were you there?!? I may or may not have peed into the pool already...
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We went to Citygarden this evening to let our son play, and we watched a good portion of the All-Star Game there as well.
Tonight was the first time I noticed a chlorine smell after several visits. The wading pool with the boat sculpture was empty. When my inquisitive six year-old son asked the security guard, he was told that the pool was cleaned, and they were keeping people out of the pool until it filled up with water again. It was then that I noticed the chlorine odor, but it wasn't quite as obvious after some time there.
I'm glad people are on top of this stuff, keeping the pools and fountains as clean as possible. I think the Gateway Foundation may need to consider widening the paths alongside the waterfall and pool on the 800 block, because the grass is very muddy alongside the path. Other than that, everything still looks fantastic, and I'm sure the upkeep has been no small order given the park's popularity.
Tonight was the first time I noticed a chlorine smell after several visits. The wading pool with the boat sculpture was empty. When my inquisitive six year-old son asked the security guard, he was told that the pool was cleaned, and they were keeping people out of the pool until it filled up with water again. It was then that I noticed the chlorine odor, but it wasn't quite as obvious after some time there.
I'm glad people are on top of this stuff, keeping the pools and fountains as clean as possible. I think the Gateway Foundation may need to consider widening the paths alongside the waterfall and pool on the 800 block, because the grass is very muddy alongside the path. Other than that, everything still looks fantastic, and I'm sure the upkeep has been no small order given the park's popularity.
ThreeOneFour wrote:We went to Citygarden this evening to let our son play, and we watched a good portion of the All-Star Game there as well.
I watched the whole game from Citygarden after watching the pregame activities from Clark Street outside the stadium. It was a great place to watch the game. Being so close to the 8th and Pine Metrolink station was a big plus. I easily had a seat on the train before it arrived at the stadium stop.
