If I may point out a small detail, they have a planned $360,000,000 development and we have no plan. What we do have is the lid project that is spending $30-40 million and the chance of getting rid of 44 after it's done is probably less then 5 % in the next 20-30 years. But it's gets to about 95% if a developer says I'll invest $360,000,000 around the blvd and you remove the highway, until that happens 44 is going to staydowntown2007 wrote:New Haven wants to remove a highway and replace it with a boulevard. If they can do it we can.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/reale ... .html?_r=0
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Exactly true. There was a chance prior to the CityArchRiver implementation but now its nil. There has to be money on the table to make the boulevard a possibility. Which means someone with alot of it ($$$) has to buy into the concept. Unfortunately Drury is more focused on the Arch Garage's destruction as contingent for their development than they are on the elevated sections. I would think if they had really gotten behind the concept it could have happened.If I may point out a small detail, they have a planned $360,000,000 development and we have no plan. What we do have is the lid project that is spending $30-40 million and the chance of getting rid of 44 after it's done is probably less then 5 % in the next 20-30 years. But it's gets to about 95% if a developer says I'll invest $360,000,000 around the blvd and you remove the highway, until that happens 44 is going to stay
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That new Walnut Street Bridge looks like it will be nearly as wide as the Park over the Highway.
http://oxblue.com/open/modot/cityarchriver
http://oxblue.com/open/modot/cityarchriver
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What is kmov's deal? This been in the plans for years now. 
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Arch-exp ... 10221.html
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Arch-exp ... 10221.html
Check out Philly's plans for Penn's Landing.
Looks very similar to what happening with CityArchRiver.
Park lid of the highway, piers, canoeing etc.
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Looks very similar to what happening with CityArchRiver.
Park lid of the highway, piers, canoeing etc.
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Hopefully everything goes well for GRG during this project but I have a major concerns that they don't have the people and experience to pull off this huge projects, before this they didn't do anything to this scale and dealing with the Feds is an added headache. Hope they plan to hire some experienced project managers
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City Arch River has been advertising on TV and Radio a lot. Saturday, June 28th, at 5 PM they had a new 1/2 hour video on Channel 4 called "Reimagining the Arch." Pretty nice piece with film from the original construction, and the latest plans.
It looks like it was produced very recently since it showed nearly current construction, and it had a few things I hadn't seen before. 1. Some kind of low fountain in the circle that makes up the new West entrance to the museum. 2. Children's Explorers Garden with plants discovered by Meriwether Lewis from his journal. 3. In the Museum, the walkway will go between two large videos of a buffalo stampede coming toward you. 4. A full-size replica of the short portion of the very top of the arch for folks who can't go up but wonder what it is like up there. 5. A look at the actual 800 London Plane trees at a giant nursery ready for replanting. 6. Banks facing the river will be grass instead of ground cover so folks can sit and view the river.
I taped the show and later took of few photos from the TV. They don't show any rebroadcasts and I don't find the video online anywhere yet.
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It looks like it was produced very recently since it showed nearly current construction, and it had a few things I hadn't seen before. 1. Some kind of low fountain in the circle that makes up the new West entrance to the museum. 2. Children's Explorers Garden with plants discovered by Meriwether Lewis from his journal. 3. In the Museum, the walkway will go between two large videos of a buffalo stampede coming toward you. 4. A full-size replica of the short portion of the very top of the arch for folks who can't go up but wonder what it is like up there. 5. A look at the actual 800 London Plane trees at a giant nursery ready for replanting. 6. Banks facing the river will be grass instead of ground cover so folks can sit and view the river.
I taped the show and later took of few photos from the TV. They don't show any rebroadcasts and I don't find the video online anywhere yet.
I did find the video on KMOV Channel 4 web site:
http://www.kmov.com/video/featured-vide ... l?ref=next
http://www.kmov.com/video/featured-vide ... l?ref=next
This fall the documents that make up the Louisiana Purchase Treaty will be temporarily displayed at the Missouri History Museum at Forest Park on loan from the National Archives. Here are a couple of links to descriptions of the documents. I believe the exhibit might include these two document, one with Napoleon's signature.
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This is the most important document to all the plains and most mountain states, and St. Louis was essentially the territory capital.
From the first link below, "On March 9, 1804 a ceremony was conducted in St. Louis, near what is now the Gateway Arch Park, to transfer ownership of Upper Louisiana."
What would it take to convince the National Archives to display the Louisiana Purchase Treaty permanently in the new Museum under the Arch in a safe display, nearly on top of the place where ownership was transferred, rather than keep the documents buried in a vault in Washington?
Here are some references to the documents:
http://www.louisianapurchase2003.com/index.htm
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/americ ... purch.html
How one man brought the Louisiana Purchase to St. Louis
This is the most important document to all the plains and most mountain states, and St. Louis was essentially the territory capital.
From the first link below, "On March 9, 1804 a ceremony was conducted in St. Louis, near what is now the Gateway Arch Park, to transfer ownership of Upper Louisiana."
What would it take to convince the National Archives to display the Louisiana Purchase Treaty permanently in the new Museum under the Arch in a safe display, nearly on top of the place where ownership was transferred, rather than keep the documents buried in a vault in Washington?
Here are some references to the documents:
http://www.louisianapurchase2003.com/index.htm
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/americ ... purch.html
How one man brought the Louisiana Purchase to St. Louis
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I have no idea what it would take, but I think that's a fantastic idea.
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Great idea. Have you suggested this to the JNEM NPS administration?gary kreie wrote:What would it take to convince the National Archives to display the Louisiana Purchase Treaty permanently in the new Museum under the Arch in a safe display, nearly on top of the place where ownership was transferred, rather than keep the documents buried in a vault in Washington?
Here are some references to the documents:
http://www.louisianapurchase2003.com/index.htm
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/americ ... purch.html
How one man brought the Louisiana Purchase to St. Louis
I noticed that the media has been reporting that the 'park over highway' will connect the arch to the Old Courthouse and downtown without having pedestrians cross over traffic. 4th Street will be a pedestrian kill zone if the media keep up the sloppy reporting!
Dallas built a park over the highway, Klyde Warren Park. It got a big donation and I guess since it's not over an interstate, it was cheaper to do.
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Any idea on when the Arch parking garage will be torn down? And when work on the Drury parking garage on 3rd Street will begin?
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So did anyone catch the (quiet) news that work on the Arch grounds won't be done until Spring of 2016 and the Museum/Visitors Center won't be completed until Spring 2017? Only the Central Riverfront Trail, Old Courthouse, and Park over Highway are scheduled to be finished by next autumn for the All Important 50th Anniversary.
I believe the garage will close in December as part of commencement of work on the North Gateway.
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I believe the garage will close in December as part of commencement of work on the North Gateway.
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So do the great white fathers still consider this a "game changer"...or will we just have to wait another year until businesses and people start moving back to STL?roger wyoming II wrote:So did anyone catch the (quiet) news that work on the Arch grounds won't be done until Spring of 2016 and the Museum/Visitors Center won't be completed until Spring 2017? Only the Central Riverfront Trail, Old Courthouse, and Park over Highway are scheduled to be finished by next autumn for the All Important 50th Anniversary.
I believe the garage will close in December as part of commencement of work on the North Gateway.
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I'm not surprised, from the beginning of this I kept saying GRG cannot handle this and that they don't have the people.
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Maybe the schedule slipping isn't a bad thing.
First, I think the new western entrance and expanded museum needs to be right and done well. I believe that is the best part of the design by far and will convince more people to the Arch. Tackling the less complicated landscape work of the north and south sections will help refine the procurement, construction and quality control process as well as keep things manageable, in a realistic schedule and under budget. A lot easier if start by dealing with misplaced or badly placed pavers then a foundation for an underground museum expansion.
Second, maybe the process will give time and confidence for Drury to go forward with a tower on the other side of Eads bridge not to mention we will probably see what direction Stan K goes with the RAMS stadium and if CVC can move ballroom expansion plans for the convention center forward. Who knows, maybe you will see Arch Grounds project going smoothly with a finish in site, Ballroom space expansion and a new parking structure for convention center under construction, site work underway for a new Rams stadium and a couple Laclede's Landing projects in full swing by 2016.
First, I think the new western entrance and expanded museum needs to be right and done well. I believe that is the best part of the design by far and will convince more people to the Arch. Tackling the less complicated landscape work of the north and south sections will help refine the procurement, construction and quality control process as well as keep things manageable, in a realistic schedule and under budget. A lot easier if start by dealing with misplaced or badly placed pavers then a foundation for an underground museum expansion.
Second, maybe the process will give time and confidence for Drury to go forward with a tower on the other side of Eads bridge not to mention we will probably see what direction Stan K goes with the RAMS stadium and if CVC can move ballroom expansion plans for the convention center forward. Who knows, maybe you will see Arch Grounds project going smoothly with a finish in site, Ballroom space expansion and a new parking structure for convention center under construction, site work underway for a new Rams stadium and a couple Laclede's Landing projects in full swing by 2016.
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Groundbreaking for the South end of the Arch Grounds renewal is tomorrow, Sep 25th.
http://www.cityarchriver.org/2014/09/18 ... novations/
The press release says,
The existing ash trees on the processional walkways of the park, which are threatened by the invasive Emerald Ash Borer, will be removed. Project partners are seeking ways to recycle the ash trees. These ash trees will be replaced by 800 London Planetrees along the north and south processional pathways. - See more at: http://www.cityarchriver.org/2014/09/18 ... EFEk2.dpuf
I'm wondering if they are just going to come in an saw down every Ash tree on the South walkways at once and then remove the stumps? That would raise the ire of everyone who hasn't been paying attention to what is going on with the Arch. I was hoping they could instead plant the new new trees while leaving the old trees in place until they start to die. Make it gradual. But I suspect the new trees wouldn't get enough sun. So my next choice would be to cut one, plant one, cut one, plant one, starting at the South and moving North so we don't end up with a completely barren landscape for an extended period.
http://www.cityarchriver.org/2014/09/18 ... novations/
The press release says,
The existing ash trees on the processional walkways of the park, which are threatened by the invasive Emerald Ash Borer, will be removed. Project partners are seeking ways to recycle the ash trees. These ash trees will be replaced by 800 London Planetrees along the north and south processional pathways. - See more at: http://www.cityarchriver.org/2014/09/18 ... EFEk2.dpuf
I'm wondering if they are just going to come in an saw down every Ash tree on the South walkways at once and then remove the stumps? That would raise the ire of everyone who hasn't been paying attention to what is going on with the Arch. I was hoping they could instead plant the new new trees while leaving the old trees in place until they start to die. Make it gradual. But I suspect the new trees wouldn't get enough sun. So my next choice would be to cut one, plant one, cut one, plant one, starting at the South and moving North so we don't end up with a completely barren landscape for an extended period.
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Has anyone seen the pedestrian canopies being installed on the Walnut Street and Pine Street bridges? They look ridiculous.
We now have man made tunnels on top of the depressed lanes blocking views of the Old Court House and the Arch.
A news video of the canopies said the purpose is to help lessen the impact of the highway on visitors. Exact quote from C+A+R spokesperson, Ryan McClure: "It will help you forget that there's a highway around you." Seriously?
http://www.kmov.com/video?id=275827311& ... f=rcvidmod
You're in the canopy for a few seconds, but the highway never goes away.
Strange and a little stifling feeling at best.
We now have man made tunnels on top of the depressed lanes blocking views of the Old Court House and the Arch.
A news video of the canopies said the purpose is to help lessen the impact of the highway on visitors. Exact quote from C+A+R spokesperson, Ryan McClure: "It will help you forget that there's a highway around you." Seriously?
http://www.kmov.com/video?id=275827311& ... f=rcvidmod
You're in the canopy for a few seconds, but the highway never goes away.
Strange and a little stifling feeling at best.
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^ I've had that feeling since seeing the renderings and from the TV shot it did look like it completely destroyed the enjoyment of the view of the Cathedral. I'll have to experience first hand to confirm but I'm very dubious on those.
^^ Gary, I would be interested in knowing how fast they plan on putting in the replacement trees.... I also believe like for Citygarden, those are going to be rather large when going in. iirc they are being nursed right now in mid-Mo.
^^ Gary, I would be interested in knowing how fast they plan on putting in the replacement trees.... I also believe like for Citygarden, those are going to be rather large when going in. iirc they are being nursed right now in mid-Mo.