Think part of the issue with parking is the closed streets scenario. South Grand is alleviated by East-West streets. Cherokee (streets North & South). The Loop is difficult because surrounding n'hoods are gated off (redirecting all traffic to Delmar). And Grove is difficult because you run into the balls or Schoemehl pots at every turn.
Is there no restaurant parking or valet for the garage in the middle of Chroma? Or is that all dedicated to residents? Shortsighted, if so.southcitygent wrote: Regarding Chao Baan, it's a fantastic restaurant and would recommend it highly. Having said that I think the Grove needs to address parking issues. The inconvenience of trying to find a spot and having to park block's away in residential neighborhoods keeps people from patronizing their establishment, especially those of us older folks that just want to grab a bite to eat. The Loop, CWE and South Grand have all been relatively successfull in providing the right balance for patrons.
The plan went through several iterations before being constructed, but at one point the plan was that ~100 spots in the Chroma garage would be available to the public. I believe that is in addition to the surface lot at Sarah and Chouteau where the gas station used to be. Not sure what the number settled out to be, but there was to be public parking in the Chroma garage. I believe the parking in the 4101 Manchester building garage is planned to all be private.
The Grove parking page is pretty out-of-date.
The Grove parking page is pretty out-of-date.
There’s a surface lot directly across Sarah. If that was full then that’s a good sign for this end of the Grove. I see how it could be frustrating if it’s full though and if street parking wasn’t readily available.
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I absolutely hate Chroma's blocked off street.
For one thing, it serves no real purpose. But for another, it was so cheaply done. You still have a curb there. You still have the painted lanes. It's clear that a road was there. That space is being used for nothing.
It looks cheap and stupid.
For one thing, it serves no real purpose. But for another, it was so cheaply done. You still have a curb there. You still have the painted lanes. It's clear that a road was there. That space is being used for nothing.
It looks cheap and stupid.
^I agree... just pour some concrete over it, put up bollards and make it a usable public space if you're going to effectively close it off.
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^Or better yet, leave it a street, albeit maybe a well calmed one. Put a taxi rank there, maybe. Chicanes. Textured paving. Whatever you need. But the little communication cutting goofiness that's so trendy the city over is annoying.
It’s actually incredible for cyclists. Allows for a safe cut off to approach Sarah & Chouteau at a 90 degree angle, compared to turning right onto Sarah at Manchester, (where a car is usually illegally parked) then stopping mid-intersection to turn left on to Chouteau when oncoming and behind traffic don’t have to stop
Red vs. green.
Red: 2 conflict points and a dangerous lane shift
Green: 1 conflict no lane shift.
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Red vs. green.
Red: 2 conflict points and a dangerous lane shift
Green: 1 conflict no lane shift.
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I maintain that it was cheaply done.
If you're going to close off the street, fine. But make it look less like a street. You still have the curb and painted lines.
It honestly looks like the street was commandeered by a rogue kindergarten class.
If you're going to close off the street, fine. But make it look less like a street. You still have the curb and painted lines.
It honestly looks like the street was commandeered by a rogue kindergarten class.
It may sound petty to some but those bollards have turned me off this stretch and I have no inclination to support the restaurant etc. This , like most public rights of ways, was made for and paid for by the public and needs to remain available to everyone, including cars/parking etc. Do not like when the use of public streets is limited to appease private interests.KansasCitian wrote: I absolutely hate Chroma's blocked off street.
For one thing, it serves no real purpose. But for another, it was so cheaply done. You still have a curb there. You still have the painted lanes. It's clear that a road was there. That space is being used for nothing.
It looks cheap and stupid.
(now if you had the pedestrian volumes of Times Square, I could understand....)
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Not that it matters, but I bike through that area still... so its just not available to cars.
Considering the number of times the city has closed & sold (given away?) streets for private usage, the fact that you guys are upset about this one is a head scratcher. It's very much still open to / for use by the public.
All those closed streets represent social injustice towards citizens who are impacted by one less path for public transport or EMS, police, Fire Dept.aprice wrote: Considering the number of times the city has closed & sold (given away?) streets for private usage, the fact that you guys are upset about this one is a head scratcher. It's very much still open to / for use by the public.At the risk of going off topic, I disagree with all of the other closures as well .They represent social injustice towards all citizens. One less path for public transport and first responders. One less connection in the street grid.
And I cringe at the attitude of "Lets not worry about the effects of funneling traffic onto other streets. As long as we've got our peace and illusion of privilege"
We are one community and need to act as such. (getting off-topic though, could move this to a streets discussion I guess)
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The Business Journal is reporting that occupancy is at 97%. Not exactly clear if that's a combination of retail and residential.
Didn't realize this one (Chroma II) was already under construction:
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It's got a lot of junk in the trunk, in the form of trunks in its junk.
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Chroma is 99%+ leased now. 1- 3bdroom $2975 unit remains
Chroma Phase 2's name is "Hue at Chroma". That's based on social media posts by Green Street.
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"Hue"... Funny phonetics. Is that enunciated like the English name Hugh ("hew") or the Vietnamese city Hue ("hway")?chriss752 wrote: ↑May 14, 2020Chroma Phase 2's name is "Hue at Chroma". That's based on social media posts by Green Street.
I want someone to open up a bar there.
And name it ‘Saturation.’
And name it ‘Saturation.’
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You know, I love bun bo Hue and the actual city of Hue is pretty close to the top of my want list for places to go in Vietnam. (Though not so much my wife's, sadly, since it's a little too far from family to get to easily.) But it never once would have occurred to me to call the thing "Hway." Even though I know quite well that's how the noodle dish goes. (And the old Nguyen dynasty capital.) It would be über cool to give a nod to the local Viet community. (It would be even cooler if learning Vietnamese weren't such a heavy lift. Why did I learn German? Viet would be a heck of a lot more useful to me. Okay folks, where's there a Vietnamese class around this town somewhere, 'cause the telephone ap ain't doing it for me.)
Anyway . . . glad to see Chroma expanding, no matter how you pronounce it.
Like Hugh. Chroma is the combination of hue and saturation, but I feel like the building should be some hue of Green to really make the pun...