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I see, so they're just going to go ahead and build the thing without ever releasing renderings, and we'll just have to watch Moorlander's updates to see what it slowly becomes.
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There has to be something in Clayton's planning code that would dictate the release of renderings at some point before construction, no?
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^ no but once the building permit is applied for, the plans should be public record
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Centene plan bigger than expected, according to Biz Journal:
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... j=73501342
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... j=73501342
According to the U.S. Census, in 2014, Downtown STL had about 75,000 (with the CBD accounting for about 38,400, but those numbers could be a bit off), the CWE had about 34,000, and Clayton had about 25,800.roger wyoming II wrote:^ Clayton sez it has 35,000 people working in the downtown CBD while downtown stl sez it has 80,000.... however, you have to keep in mind Clayton's CBD is a smaller area than what dtstl looks at... I'd really like to know what the number is for the CBD alone; I seem to recall some data saying around 60.000 but don't quote me.
You can draw polygons and play around with it with this tool: http://onthemap.ces.census.gov/
I don't think those numbers are exact, as I've noticed some errors in how they count jobs along the edges of user-drawn polygons, but I think it gives a good estimate of where these areas stand with employment.
Realize that many / most of the Centene employees that will move to the new campus already work in one of the five other locations that Centene currently leases west of I-270.Randy wrote:If this goes through as office it will certainly shift the center of the region westward and redefine my idea of what the center of STL is. Anyone have a current count of downtown STL vs. Clayton CBD employment figures?
While it will shift the balance between Downtown & Clayton west, it will shift the overall metro area a bit to the east.
Greg
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That shift might help more residential towers spring up as a result too... at least I hope it's a residual effect.
I'd expect numerous residential projects to be announced within a year of this. I hate that it's not downtown, but I'm happy it's in an urban environment with transit.chaifetz10 wrote:That shift might help more residential towers spring up as a result too... at least I hope it's a residual effect.
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Keeping my fingers crossed on this one for a cutting-edge design and a problem-free process.
Hate to be Donald Downer, but Clayton is full of tomfoolery at times and the 212 Meramec lawsuit foolishness is proof of it.
I hope there are no lawsuits by people saying they can't see out to Westport Plaza or something just as hideous.
Hate to be Donald Downer, but Clayton is full of tomfoolery at times and the 212 Meramec lawsuit foolishness is proof of it.
I hope there are no lawsuits by people saying they can't see out to Westport Plaza or something just as hideous.
Hopefully the NIMBYs and BANANAs in Clayton will drive development back into St. Louis City.arch city wrote:Keeping my fingers crossed on this one for a cutting-edge design and a problem-free process.
Hate to be Donald Downer, but Clayton is full of tomfoolery at times and the 212 Meramec lawsuit foolishness is proof of it.
I hope there are no lawsuits by people saying they can't see out to Westport Plaza or something just as hideous.
"My understanding - along with all of my neighbors - is that the giant empty grass lot behind the Ritz is and always has been a public park. We've never been to or used it as a park, but still have serious concerns about what we consider to be a public park being replaced by a corporate development that could burden our schools, congest our streets, and bring crime to our community." -NIMBY
Yeah, it's a joke / venting (based on what has been reported out of Skink-D)
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Sod being laid on the newly cleared space at Hanley and Forsyth.
A funny side note: I hear that some folks who work across the street from Centene's garage feel motion sickness from the facade's movement on windy days.
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^^ looks like they won't be breaking ground for a while...
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It's temporary. Much better than a mud pit
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Why would they tear everything down if they're not going to be shovel-ready immediately afterward?