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quincunx wrote: ↑

Jul 02, 2025

I'd like all that as well as speed governors in cars and license, registration, and insurance verification by the car before it'll go above some very low speed, like 10 mph.

I also would support speed governor requirements, but it would have to be a national thing to really work, which will never happen.

StlToday - 2 killed in wrong-way crash in St. Louis were a ‘concert lover’ and a grandmother

Tampow kept going for roughly 2 miles until her Kia collided head-on with Morse’s white Corvette just north of the on-ramp at Gasconade Street.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 36a95.html

USA USA USA 

2 people burned alive because any fcuk head can get behind the wheel and make a car go

KSDK - 2 killed in crash with car fleeing from police in Wood River

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime ... 79d8369021

quincunx wrote:StlToday - 2 killed in wrong-way crash in St. Louis were a ‘concert lover’ and a grandmother

Tampow kept going for roughly 2 miles until her Kia collided head-on with Morse’s white Corvette just north of the on-ramp at Gasconade Street.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 36a95.html

My latest car can recognize road signs like stop, speed limit, and wrong way and display them on my dash next to my speedometer. Why don’t all cars have cameras that see wrong way signs and sound alarms like crazy? So sad.


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Enforcement only works if there are consequences for illegal behavior. Her ass should have been sitting behind bars and not behind a steering wheel. I'm so sick of criminals being coddled and victims not considered.

southcitykid wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2025

Enforcement only works if there are consequences for illegal behavior. Her ass should have been sitting behind bars and not behind a steering wheel. I'm so sick of criminals being coddled and victims not considered.

Our criminal justice system has been and still is a tough on crime prison first mentality system. And you see how well it has worked.

It's totally unjustifiable to send someone to jail, much less prison, over traffic violations. She should have had her license revoked (maybe she did, I'm not familiar) and should have been put in a program to help her live car free (I doubt this exists, but it should).

"Driving without a valid drivers license x8"
What license? You don't need a license to operate a car.

quincunx wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2025

"Driving without a valid drivers license x8"
What license? You don't need a license to operate a car.

No I know. It's impossible to just stop someone from driving. Regardless, my point is that sending people to prison for fairly rudimentary traffic violations is bad and not a real solution. There needs to be a diversion program for people like her.

Sure there is. If we actually were interested in enforcement, it'd be as hard to start a car as it is to get money out of an ATM or break into your phone, break into your bank account and take money, or get on a Metrolink train. But that would require regulation, it might cut into the cars = free dumb marketing and the car and oil companies would claim it'll hurt business.

The prisons aren't big enough for all the bad drivers. It's why they are typically coddled.

Auggie wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2025

Our criminal justice system has been and still is a tough on crime prison first mentality system. And you see how well it has worked.

Over the past several years, I have come around to view that we let too much crime go unpunished, and those we do punish are usually punished too harshly. Most people get away with breaking laws (especially "minor" ones like traffic laws or property crime), and we try to deter crime by giving draconian sentences to a small proportion that get . Or as Jennifer Doleac says, "We need universal and proportional accountability; what we have now is randomized severity."

"First, we need more and better policing. This is where conservatives are correct."

If only "conservatives" advocated for better policing.....they do not. St. Louis City right now has one of the highest officers/capita in the country yet "conservatives" and centrists continuously screech about how if only we could have 200-300 more officers, things would all magically be better. All they ever talk about is more cops, as if crime didn't exist 30 years ago when there were more cops. There is no evidence that more cops = less crime. There is, however, evidence that smarter cops can reduce crime, but American cops are generally the dumbest and least educated in the developed world. But God forbid we raise education standards, that may hurt recruitment because American cops don't actually want to do a better job.

Reality is that we should not be listening to an economist when talking about criminology, just like how we shouldn't be listening to a criminologist when talking about economics.

attestation
2025 report
W Virginia ranked low
https://www.wboy.com/news/west-virginia/study-ranks-west-virginia-among-worst-states-for-police-officers-heres-why/

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-be-a-cop/34669

Oh, look at that, 11 of the top 15 states  for police officers are blue states. It's almost like the "conservatives" don't actually care for quality of police officers and just want hundreds of completely stupid morons roaming the streets with guns.

That wallet hub article is really dumb, as they usually are. It doesn’t really tell us anything. I mean 30% of their scoring is just based on pay related metrics and those blue states just have a higher cost of living.

And of course West Virginia ranks low in terms of places to be a police officer. I would imagine it ranks low in terms of places to be just about any profession, because it’s West Virginia…

We're probably at most a few years away from police putting all major highways and roads under constant drone-based radar surveillance.

The benefits and utility will likely override the surveillance concerns. It's objectively better if the cops can track any getaway vehicle and can even retroactively look over yesterday's tracks to see where a vehicle went after CV camera was pulled and which vehicle the perps used is identified. And it's similarly objectively better if emergency services know about crashes and accidents within seconds of them occurring. As for speeding, I guess it mostly depends on how strict they end up being about it.

KSDK - Police chase left innocent couple dead, lawsuit alleges

WOOD RIVER, Ill. — The family of an Alton husband and wife who were killed by a fleeing vehicle in Wood River has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the city, claiming police should have never been pursuing the suspect in the first place.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime ... 51a9ac8164

In St. Louis for the first time in a year. First time visiting in a car since I lived here. It’s worse on so many levels than I ever remembered or imagined. Received the finger a few times for following the speed limit. No one pays attention at stop lights, then get mad at you. Plates are the worst I’ve ever seen them. Road quality on Forest Park Ave and Olive are terrible. Just overall, my perceptions of St. Louis and St. Louisans sharply worse than I wanted after just 12 hours and that’s coming from someone who cares very deeply about it. My partner (who also lived here in 2016-2019) is not keen on ever letting me come back alone and is shocked with how it’s declined socially.

I don’t see how this ever improves without strong armed enforcement.

addxb2 wrote:In St. Louis for the first time in a year. First time visiting in a car since I lived here. It’s worse on so many levels than I ever remembered or imagined. Received the finger a few times for following the speed limit. No one pays attention at stop lights, then get mad at you. Plates are the worst I’ve ever seen them. Road quality on Forest Park Ave and Olive are terrible. Just overall, my perceptions of St. Louis and St. Louisans sharply worse than I wanted after just 12 hours and that’s coming from someone who cares very deeply about it. My partner (who also lived here in 2016-2019) is not keen on ever letting me come back alone and is shocked with how it’s declined socially.

I don’t see how this ever improves without strong armed enforcement.

The issues you’re seeing on roads are real, but i would say they’ve improved to a degree over the past year, not gotten worse.

You live in Chicago right? I spend a considerable amount of time driving there and in St Louis and the issues you’re highlighting are drastically worse in Chicago vs St Louis, in my experience.

Cars should have a way to remotely disable them.

KTVI - Police SUV strikes carjacking suspect fleeing on foot


https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/polic ... g-on-foot/

quincunx wrote: ↑

Jul 30, 2025

Cars should have a way to remotely disable them.

KTVI - Police SUV strikes carjacking suspect fleeing on foot


https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/polic ... g-on-foot/

16 year old kid, has absolutely no clue what he's doing. This type of crime by this type of person is the result of our failing system. If he was raised in my house, by my parents, he would be at some private catholic high school. But he wasn't, so he's going to jail for essentially being a child who never had a chance. Such a sad story.

Auggie wrote:^^^ One of the single most definitionally reactionary posts I have ever seen on here. Not sure why anyone should take this guy seriously on anything ever again after a post as lost in the sauce as this one.

Classic STL response. Past two weeks I’ve been in Indianapolis, Louisville, Nashville, and St. Louis. St. Louis drivers are by far the most unintelligent and reactionary and the road quality is the worst. I thought nothing would beat Indianapolis.

addxb2 wrote:

Auggie wrote:^^^ One of the single most definitionally reactionary posts I have ever seen on here. Not sure why anyone should take this guy seriously on anything ever again after a post as lost in the sauce as this one.

Classic STL response. Past two weeks I’ve been in Indianapolis, Louisville, Nashville, and St. Louis. St. Louis drivers are by far the most unintelligent and reactionary and the road quality is the worst. I thought nothing would beat Indianapolis.

People do this fairly frequently on this forum and your post doesn’t invalidate everything you say here, but just remember that everyone in each of those cities thinks their city has the worst drivers. It’s all perception.

Debaliviere91 wrote:You live in Chicago right? I spend a considerable amount of time driving there and in St Louis and the issues you’re highlighting are drastically worse in Chicago vs St Louis, in my experience.

I’m sure in some places it is just as bad but not to the level and frequency that I saw today in STL. A 15 minute trip from Skinker to 14th on Olive/Lindell. Roughly 10 cars with expired plates. Almost every driver sat on their phone at the light, missing the green. One driver rolled down the window to say f*ck you after I lifted my hand in confusion. Didn’t honk or anything. The lane markings or speed limits mean nothing between SLU and downtown.

I loved seeing the work on Brickline along Market but was surprised how little coordination there is for traffic. No signage about lane adjustments. No flaggers. Fencing and dividers were uneven and toppled over. We were curious if we were even supposed to be there.