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PostMay 22, 2013#901

1. The UIC design, north of the Georgian:


2. The Koman design, south of the Georgian (current site):


3. The new design:


Other than the building becoming an object floating in a sea of parking (rather than the building being an edge defining the public space), one thing confuses me. That point where the cornices meet at the corner (with the concrete quoin below) seems unresolved to me. I see different height cornices, a strange angle, the way the quoin stops just shy of the cornice, as if to emphasize the fakery. It's just not what I'd expect from an organic market.

Personally, I think I'd rather go faux historic or go modern, but not modern partially wrapped in a 1980s Dierbergs facade. That just seems confusing to me.

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PostMay 23, 2013#902

The new one looks like hell. They should really, REALLY go back to the original design. Goodness gracious.

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PostMay 23, 2013#903

Gateway City wrote:The new one looks like hell. They should really, REALLY go back to the original design. Goodness gracious.
The design you're calling the "original design", No. 1 in Presbyterian's post is NOT for this site-that is a separate site located north of the Georgian/City Hospital building.

Again everyone - NOT this site.

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PostMay 23, 2013#904

^ Is the new dentistry clinic going on that site?

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PostMay 23, 2013#905

Alex Ihnen wrote:^ Is the new dentistry clinic going on that site?
That lot/parcel is the only undeveloped piece of the Old City Hospital Complex.

Some of it (the eastern portion) has been developed into a parking lot, presumably for the climbing gym and proposed restaurant.

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PostMay 23, 2013#906

Alex Ihnen wrote:^ Is the new dentistry clinic going on that site?
Yes... this is the site of the new dentistry school/clinic.

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PostJun 14, 2013#907

Construction is underway now...When you look at the web site for Fields Foods it sounds like it is going to be kind of a local version of Whole Foods. If so, it would be a nice addition to the city so close to downtown. Soulard Farmers Market might take a hit...Might also stimulate the Farmers Market to improve itself.

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PostJun 14, 2013#908

I don't think Soulard Market will take a hit. You won't be able to buy a bloody mary or Busch in a red solo cup and saunter around haggling with vendors at Field Foods. Soulard Market is a scene all its own that appeals to many, a broad section of people rich and poor and everything in between. Soulard Market is a great scene and a place, it attracts many and always will. This is going to be more like a stock up with a shopping cart kind of place. I know they will both do well. We need more food options in this part of the city....and I'm quite thankful for something that is not a Sav-A-Lot. I can't wait to watch this take shape!

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PostJun 14, 2013#909

Plus, the Soulard Market has a big plan of it's own in terms of a revamp. I am excited about the future of both of these places.

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PostJun 14, 2013#910

Just don't get the design for this store. It's set in the far corner of the plot behind Walgreen's basically. About as suburban as one can get. As you can probably tell, I'm not a fan at all. Building to the street was done with Walgreens....why can't it be done here?

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PostJun 14, 2013#911

soulardx wrote:Just don't get the design for this store. It's set in the far corner of the plot behind Walgreen's basically. About as suburban as one can get. As you can probably tell, I'm not a fan at all. Building to the street was done with Walgreens....why can't it be done here?
I won't be surprised if the available parcel fronting Lafayette gets developed soon. I guess the Market is locating for maximum highway visibility.

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PostJun 14, 2013#912

soulardx wrote:Just don't get the design for this store. It's set in the far corner of the plot behind Walgreen's basically. About as suburban as one can get. As you can probably tell, I'm not a fan at all. Building to the street was done with Walgreens....why can't it be done here?
In a good way it makes use of the part of the lot that would be hard to develop and leaves room for good infill. The key is whether or not that infill happens and what it looks like.

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PostJun 14, 2013#913

Rather than ensuring "maximum highway visibility," why not "maximum resident visibility"?

You know, ensuring residents of Soulard, Laf. Square, etc. (the people who will be shopping there) can easily walk to/from the store without having to dodge traffic in the acres of parking?

Too hard? Seriously.

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PostJun 14, 2013#914

I repeat from earlier in this thread, this was the site layout all along for the grocery in back, with additional parcels in front. Just hope the front gets built.

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PostJun 14, 2013#915

jakektu wrote:I repeat from earlier in this thread, this was the site layout all along for the grocery in back, with additional parcels in front. Just hope the front gets built.
I suppose that's my actual beef then -- my faith in other stores being built in the front is rather low.

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PostJul 14, 2013#916

Site is graded and the first wall on the western side is up. West side appears to be in line with Walgreens.

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PostAug 01, 2013#917

North Wall photo

You can see portions of the south and west walls through the archways!


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PostSep 05, 2013#918

Didn't know a restaurant was opening up (Saturday).

http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/d ... 68791.html

From the facebook page, it looks like there will be some cool outdoor space as well.

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PostOct 04, 2013#919

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 3d745.html
The St. Louis Food Hub at 1500 Lafayette Avenue, which includes both a full-service grocery called Fields Foods and a food distribution and processing center under the same roof, has set an opening date of Jan. 4. Construction began in January on the food hub, which will employ 100 full- and part-time workers.
The new 37,000-square-foot store, located in the Peabody Darst Webbe neighborhood, will seek to draw customers from the growing downtown residence base and nearby neighborhoods, including Lafayette Square and Soulard.
Beginning in January, Fields Foods will be open from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m., seven days a week.

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PostOct 04, 2013#920

roger wyoming II wrote:Didn't know a restaurant was opening up (Saturday).

http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/d ... 68791.html

From the facebook page, it looks like there will be some cool outdoor space as well.
Drove down Truman Pkwy last night and saw this—four inverted L-shaped string of white lights on the second and third floors. Looks great. Nice to see that dismal area "lighting up."

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PostOct 04, 2013#921

Great article in the PD. I especially like the part about hoping to get business from downtown office workers heading out on 44 and 55.

I often hear from near south side residents who work in Clayton or other parts of the county and do their grocery shopping out there on their way home

Living in Soulard and working in Creve Coeur I occasionally do that as well (usually Trader Joe's--which is a stone's throw from my office)

It'll be good to have some suburbanites doing this in reverse :)

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PostOct 04, 2013#922

southsidepride wrote:Great article in the PD.
Definitely. Well worth the read. I also liked this part:
"Next year, Gilded Age will add 62 new apartments to the 10-acre former hospital property site that’s also home to the Palladium event center, Butler’s Pantry catering, the Climb So iLL indoor rock climbing gym and Element restaurant. Additionally, A.T. Still University has acquired land and says it plans to open a dental school clinic on the former hospital site." Didn't know more apts. are coming. Things are looking good!

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PostOct 04, 2013#923

Don't forget Culinaria is located just down the street. A compact walkable store that contains everything most people need. Also Vincent's is a great option.

Suburbanization of STL quote of the article.

"The site’s close proximity to entrance ramps for interstates 44 and 55 also will cater to downtown’s office workers who want to make a quick shopping trip before or after work."

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PostOct 05, 2013#924

Anyone know if the new apartments will be new construction or rehab?

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PostOct 05, 2013#925

I've read that the apartments will be in the four remaining City Hospital buildings along 14th Street south of Carroll. On Google Maps, you can notice that they still have their old roofing. I believe this will complete the renovations on the site. Unlike The Georgian, these will be rentals.

The developers envision the dental clinic on the empty lot northwest of Dillon amd Carroll.

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