No doubt! Unfortunately, seeing how everything they've built lately features the T&T, I think we can expect more of it. Lots more.rbeedee wrote: Whatever they do, I hope we get away from the tan and teal aesthetic. A little of that goes a long way, and I'm over it.
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rbeedee wrote:^Shriners and the CID are on the southern end of the campus, so they don't immediately spring to mind with the announcement that BJC is "starting at the northwestern corner of the campus." I think the more likely demolitions or alterations are to the old Jewish Hospital Nursing School and the other old hospital buildings around Parkview and Kingshighway (Kingshighway building, Yalem, etc). There's a detailed barely-out-of-date map in pdf form here.
Definitely work sticking up for Shriners and CID, though. We'll won't get a better idea until more details are released.
you are correct! i swear i know my directions, but i read "queeny tower" and instantly thought of old shriners' and CID... i should have pulled up a mental map first.
It seems like a waste to demolish the Queeny Tower. It's a huge building. Can't BJC start by building upon the vast surface parking lots that dot the campus?
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This likely won't satisfy everyone, but the reality is that Queeny Tower is obsolete as a hospital and can't be reused for other purposes. There are surface parking lots two blocks to the east, but a hospital can't have its ER and hospital beds, operating rooms, etc. separating by two blocks. BJC will eventually build on Hudlin Park, keeping all of these next to one another. But before any of that, the older buildings along Kingshighway will be replaced.
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Interestingly, that map shows new ramps from I-64 to Tower Grove Ave. I wonder if those are part of the $3.5 billion.rbeedee wrote:There's a detailed barely-out-of-date map in pdf form here.
I believe the new ramp/interchange is being done by MoDOT with help from a partnering grant from Wash U. In other words, I think this is separate from the 3.5 billion. But, could be wrong.jonkleinow wrote:Interestingly, that map shows new ramps from I-64 to Tower Grove Ave. I wonder if those are part of the $3.5 billion.rbeedee wrote:There's a detailed barely-out-of-date map in pdf form here.
Hopefully, part of the $1 billion in the next ten years is FPSE housing. I believe they are behind one of the condo/apartment proposals. Alex might have a lot better idea.
I think someone confused the fact that BJC is a $3.5 billion dollar company (in revenue) and is planning on doing $1 billion in construction over the next decade a few posts back.Alex Ihnen wrote:Where is the $3.5B number coming from? I seem to forget.
From what I understand, the staged campus renovation plans are as follows:
1. Finish clinic building on Northwest corner of Euclid and FP parkway, freeing up space in some of the older buildings that can be renovated into offices and labs.
2. Tear down old nursing school and old Jewish Hospital. Schoenberg and Yalem are safe, but most of the other Jewish hospital buildings will go. Most are very ugly, with the exception of the Kingshighway building. It, however, is quite decrepit, and with the importance of contiguous real estate on the medical center campus, I really don't think saving it is worth sacrificing the many benefits that the planned expansions will bring.
3. Use that land to build large, showpiece building that will both expand Children's, and significantly increase the inpatient capacity of the North Campus (primarily adult oncology, including bone marrow transplant). This addition will also consolidate in some way inpatient and outpatient obstetrics into a Women's and Children's area. I don't know if this will be two separate buildings, or one that will form a sort of skybridge over Parkview. I have heard that unlike some previous BJC/Wash U construction projects, they will NOT be permanently closing down any other streets.
4. Whatever will happen to Queeny Tower - on one hand, it is 17 stories, which is a pretty efficient use of space already, on the other hand, currently there are only 7 floors used for inpatient rooms, and it's not a particularly good hospital building (small rooms when they are doubles, no service elevators, floors 13 to 17 cut off from the rest of hospital. ) I think this is probably the last priority, since to reconstruct enough beds on South Campus to allow demolition would require most of the other moves to be completed.
Already underway is a complete revamping of the South Campus ICU's, with the Surgical ICU moving closer to the OR's, and the Medical ICU either moving to or expanding into the old SICU.
1. Finish clinic building on Northwest corner of Euclid and FP parkway, freeing up space in some of the older buildings that can be renovated into offices and labs.
2. Tear down old nursing school and old Jewish Hospital. Schoenberg and Yalem are safe, but most of the other Jewish hospital buildings will go. Most are very ugly, with the exception of the Kingshighway building. It, however, is quite decrepit, and with the importance of contiguous real estate on the medical center campus, I really don't think saving it is worth sacrificing the many benefits that the planned expansions will bring.
3. Use that land to build large, showpiece building that will both expand Children's, and significantly increase the inpatient capacity of the North Campus (primarily adult oncology, including bone marrow transplant). This addition will also consolidate in some way inpatient and outpatient obstetrics into a Women's and Children's area. I don't know if this will be two separate buildings, or one that will form a sort of skybridge over Parkview. I have heard that unlike some previous BJC/Wash U construction projects, they will NOT be permanently closing down any other streets.
4. Whatever will happen to Queeny Tower - on one hand, it is 17 stories, which is a pretty efficient use of space already, on the other hand, currently there are only 7 floors used for inpatient rooms, and it's not a particularly good hospital building (small rooms when they are doubles, no service elevators, floors 13 to 17 cut off from the rest of hospital. ) I think this is probably the last priority, since to reconstruct enough beds on South Campus to allow demolition would require most of the other moves to be completed.
Already underway is a complete revamping of the South Campus ICU's, with the Surgical ICU moving closer to the OR's, and the Medical ICU either moving to or expanding into the old SICU.
It's been 6 months since the last photo. How's this building looking? Does it look anywhere near completion? Any news on possible tenants?
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A more recent photo, maybe a month old or so... I haven't heard a word on tenants.
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Thanks for the quick response! It's starting to really come together.
As Ben said earlier, this section of Euclid from Lindell to FoPo has really been transformed over the last few years. Hopefully something not too hospitally (Pharmacy, Medical Device Company, etc...) moves into the retail space. It would be great to have something that caters to the neighborhood more than the medical center.
As Ben said earlier, this section of Euclid from Lindell to FoPo has really been transformed over the last few years. Hopefully something not too hospitally (Pharmacy, Medical Device Company, etc...) moves into the retail space. It would be great to have something that caters to the neighborhood more than the medical center.
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Can't take credit for these, but figured I should share. Some context pics courtesy of ChrisLA over on SSP.
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I *think* it is just peeking out next to Park Tower in this one. Gives great context as to its contribution to the quickly growing CWE canyon...
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To the right of Park Tower. Makes a large contribution from this view. Looks massive.
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...With a great Nelly remix to get you through humpday tomorrow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4weH4L4GXc
Enjoy!
Edit: Looks as though the third one got resized. Not sure how to fix. If a mod comes through feel free to correct my lack of tech skills.
I *think* it is just peeking out next to Park Tower in this one. Gives great context as to its contribution to the quickly growing CWE canyon...
To the right of Park Tower. Makes a large contribution from this view. Looks massive.
...With a great Nelly remix to get you through humpday tomorrow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4weH4L4GXc
Enjoy!
Edit: Looks as though the third one got resized. Not sure how to fix. If a mod comes through feel free to correct my lack of tech skills.
This email was in my inbox this morning. Thought others might find it interesting...
Dear Colleagues:
Barnes-Jewish Hospital, St. Louis Children’s Hospital and Washington University School of Medicine have joined together to establish a long-term plan to guide the future redevelopment of our campus.
One of our goals is to enhance the experience for our patients, visitors, employees and neighbors who come to our campus each day or once a year or just once in a lifetime. Our location in a vibrant urban setting is an asset, and this planning process will provide a unique opportunity to reflect the world class medical care, research and teaching that Barnes-Jewish, St. Louis Children’s and the School of Medicine are known for, as well as enhance the reputation of the campus as a significant regional asset.
The planning process is comprehensive and will invite and include input from members of our campus, as well as from members of the surrounding communities.
Over the next year, we anticipate a great deal of collaboration as we continue to provide excellent care to our patients in an environment that is reflective of our missions. To assist us, we issued a Request for Inspiration to the architectural community and have selected three highly respected architectural teams to develop “inspirational frameworks” to help guide the future plans for our campus.
While no specific buildings are being designed at this time, these frameworks will consider current and future buildings, as well as the urban area in which we are located and the way our campus is experienced by patients, families, employees, neighbors and visitors. We want to improve each of these aspects of our campus, but we also want to better define and establish our campus as an inviting environment that is easier to navigate.
The initial work of the architectural teams is set to be completed by November 18, 2011, and we will share more information about this process as the work continues.
In the meantime, if you want to learn more about the teams, we invite you to visit their websites, which are included below. We look forward to regularly sharing more information with you about this planning process over the next few months.
Thank you for your continued support and for all you do for our patients and their families.
Sincerely,
Richard Liekweg Lee Fetter Jim Crane, MD
President President CEO of WU Physicians FPP
Barnes-Jewish Hospital St. Louis Children’s Hospital WUSM
Architectural Teams
Cannon Design, Civitas, Inc., Pelli Clarke Pelli
http://www.cannondesign.com/
http://www.pcparch.com/
http://www.civitasinc.com/
Stantec, Sasaki, Foster + Partners
http://www.stantec.com/default.htm
http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Practice/Default.aspx
http://www.sasaki.com/
Skidmore Owings & Merrill
http://www.som.com/
Dear Colleagues:
Barnes-Jewish Hospital, St. Louis Children’s Hospital and Washington University School of Medicine have joined together to establish a long-term plan to guide the future redevelopment of our campus.
One of our goals is to enhance the experience for our patients, visitors, employees and neighbors who come to our campus each day or once a year or just once in a lifetime. Our location in a vibrant urban setting is an asset, and this planning process will provide a unique opportunity to reflect the world class medical care, research and teaching that Barnes-Jewish, St. Louis Children’s and the School of Medicine are known for, as well as enhance the reputation of the campus as a significant regional asset.
The planning process is comprehensive and will invite and include input from members of our campus, as well as from members of the surrounding communities.
Over the next year, we anticipate a great deal of collaboration as we continue to provide excellent care to our patients in an environment that is reflective of our missions. To assist us, we issued a Request for Inspiration to the architectural community and have selected three highly respected architectural teams to develop “inspirational frameworks” to help guide the future plans for our campus.
While no specific buildings are being designed at this time, these frameworks will consider current and future buildings, as well as the urban area in which we are located and the way our campus is experienced by patients, families, employees, neighbors and visitors. We want to improve each of these aspects of our campus, but we also want to better define and establish our campus as an inviting environment that is easier to navigate.
The initial work of the architectural teams is set to be completed by November 18, 2011, and we will share more information about this process as the work continues.
In the meantime, if you want to learn more about the teams, we invite you to visit their websites, which are included below. We look forward to regularly sharing more information with you about this planning process over the next few months.
Thank you for your continued support and for all you do for our patients and their families.
Sincerely,
Richard Liekweg Lee Fetter Jim Crane, MD
President President CEO of WU Physicians FPP
Barnes-Jewish Hospital St. Louis Children’s Hospital WUSM
Architectural Teams
Cannon Design, Civitas, Inc., Pelli Clarke Pelli
http://www.cannondesign.com/
http://www.pcparch.com/
http://www.civitasinc.com/
Stantec, Sasaki, Foster + Partners
http://www.stantec.com/default.htm
http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Practice/Default.aspx
http://www.sasaki.com/
Skidmore Owings & Merrill
http://www.som.com/
I went to the "Dean's Update" today at the WUMC. It's where the Dean gives a presentation to the community about how the various medical schools are doing, future plans, etc. One of the things he touched on was some upcoming plans for construction. What he mentioned was kind of vague (no specific timelines, renderings, etc.), but from what I recall there were 3 things mentioned.
1. The first thing planned for the future is the replacement of some North Campus buildings (think corner of Forest Park Parkway and Kingshighway) with new hospital facilities and a new hospital tower. It sounds like this is planned to start on a short timeline, within a year. The buildings mentioned for demolition were Steinberg, the old Jewish Hospital building, the Kingshighway building, and the old nursing school. Among other things, the new construction is supposed to allow expansion of some Siteman Cancer Center activities and consolidation of obstetrics/maternal health facilities in a new building to border Children's Hospital, freeing up some space on the South Campus for
2. The demolition of Queeny Tower and replacement with a new hospital tower. No expected timeline was mentioned. I thought I remembered hearing a while ago that while Queeny Tower was planned to be demolished and replaced at some point in time, the land would sit as a "park" for a while in between. From what was presented today, it sounds more likely that demolition will be shortly followed by new construction.
3. An additional data center, mostly for the Genome Institute, but also for some other users. The dean said it would be adjacent to the new data center but didn't give any specifics (there look to be several possibilities next to the current data center).
I'll be sad to see some of these buildings go, but hospital logistics are hard to argue with (i.e., the need to transfer patients between units means the buildings need to be close, and the new research building that replaced the old parking garage filled in the last big gap in the hospital portion of the complex). I just hope that whatever replaces these buildings is of merit, is not tan-and-teal, and uses the Kingshighway facade for more than driveways and fire exits.
1. The first thing planned for the future is the replacement of some North Campus buildings (think corner of Forest Park Parkway and Kingshighway) with new hospital facilities and a new hospital tower. It sounds like this is planned to start on a short timeline, within a year. The buildings mentioned for demolition were Steinberg, the old Jewish Hospital building, the Kingshighway building, and the old nursing school. Among other things, the new construction is supposed to allow expansion of some Siteman Cancer Center activities and consolidation of obstetrics/maternal health facilities in a new building to border Children's Hospital, freeing up some space on the South Campus for
2. The demolition of Queeny Tower and replacement with a new hospital tower. No expected timeline was mentioned. I thought I remembered hearing a while ago that while Queeny Tower was planned to be demolished and replaced at some point in time, the land would sit as a "park" for a while in between. From what was presented today, it sounds more likely that demolition will be shortly followed by new construction.
3. An additional data center, mostly for the Genome Institute, but also for some other users. The dean said it would be adjacent to the new data center but didn't give any specifics (there look to be several possibilities next to the current data center).
I'll be sad to see some of these buildings go, but hospital logistics are hard to argue with (i.e., the need to transfer patients between units means the buildings need to be close, and the new research building that replaced the old parking garage filled in the last big gap in the hospital portion of the complex). I just hope that whatever replaces these buildings is of merit, is not tan-and-teal, and uses the Kingshighway facade for more than driveways and fire exits.
Demo of the old nursing school and Kingshighway buildings was to start this spring/summer. I'm not sure if it's still on track - there are still a lot of offices/lab space that haven't been moved to new locations, and that doesn't happen quickly.
I think they still have to get approval from the preservation board for demo of the nursing school building. The last I heard (from this Preservation Research Office post from the summer of 2010) was that the demo permit was denied on a preliminary basis.
I wrote to Eric Carter, ( VP of the medical center development and sent him a copy of 'St Louis Lost'. I really like how the nursing school relates to the pedestrian realm and really wish it could be re-purposed in some way even if only by saving the shell. The street just north of the nursing building is my favorite turn into the campus since it takes you between the beautiful brick and limestone buildings.
In his response he mentioned that they are still working on the master plan and that t 'no specific architectural plans' are outlined currently
He mentioned that the process is comprehensive will need input from various entities including stakeholders in the community.
In his response he mentioned that they are still working on the master plan and that t 'no specific architectural plans' are outlined currently
He mentioned that the process is comprehensive will need input from various entities including stakeholders in the community.
Some models and poster boards with different design concepts are up in the BJCIH building. I took a brief tour and there are some interesting concepts up there. I was told that none of the renderings should be taken as legit proposed renderings since the current emphasis is more of planning for patient, staff, pedestrian circulation, and integration with the campus surroundings than it is on individual building design. They had some good buzzwords on the presentation boards (some emphasized developing small walkable blocks, blurring the boundaries of the campus with the surrounding neighborhoods, a retail hub around the metro, active streets, etc), but I'd need to spend some more time there to really examine the plans and see how well those buzzwords translate into the designs.
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It looks like it's targeted towards employees, but I doubt they'll mind non-employees taking a look at the designs.The gallery is now open on the second floor of the BJC Institute of Health at Washington University School of Medicine. Employees may visit the gallery from 7-9 a.m. Tuesdays, 11 a.m.-1 p.m. Wednesdays or 2-4 p.m. Thursdays through Dec. 22. Representatives of BJC’s planning, design and construction department will be available to answer questions about the gallery and the campus planning process.
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Any chance you could take some pics of these? I know I wont be able to make it down to St. Louis for another few weeks...
^Sorry, they specifically ask you to not take pictures of the displays. I watched as someone got caught taking a picture with a camera phone and the attendant came over to ask him to stop.
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^ Stopped by today. Anyone interested in this stuff should really, really make an effort to check it out. Basically, several architecture firms were asked to to a master plan for the whole medical campus. There's plenty of pie-in-the-sky block buildings plopped down to fill out CORTEX, but there are also very inspiring ideas for a Queeny Tower replacement and other new buildings.
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Any height involved? I really would like seeing a new tallest for the CWE come out of this.