SB in BH wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021And $1400 might be trivial to an urban dilettante...
i meant to say "$600," as in the difference between $1400 and $2000 which, again, he never even promised. you're really reaching.you're moving the goal posts. it has nothing to do with what i think voters should understand. you are sniping Biden for not following through on a fabricated promise.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Even if you think voters should have understood that the Democrats were including $600 from Trump in their $2000, Trump provided $1800 in checks and Joe Biden is shooting for $1400 (that allegedly is already being bargained down to $1000 before means testing). They're only getting that much via reconciliation due to their worship of the filibuster, so this is their only shot this year. Democrats are lecturing voters for not understanding $1400+$600=$2000 but I think voters will understand $1400 < $1800.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021a nitpick, but $2000 checks were never promised. the promise was a total of $2000 per eligible citizen, including the $600 that the Trump admin approved.SB in BH wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Mark’s analysis of the Democratic Party and Pres. Biden in particular is spot on. His campaign platform, much like Obama’s, says FDR, but his cabinet nominees, deference to Republicans, 4 decade career, and the record of the prior Democratic Administration suggest we’ll get something akin to the elder Bush Administration at best. Witness dithering over the promised $2000 checks as prologue to the next 4 years.
Edit: And Trump is the one who was cheerleading the $2000 that Democrats bandwagoned onto! They're literally emphasizing that they are completing Trump's $2000 checks. It's farcical.
Where?ibleedlou wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021We know where this is leading.
experienced professionals?ibleedlou wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021You don't have to listen to OAN or Newsmax to see who makes up Biden's cabinet or to know what to expect in the next four years. You don't have to even be a conservative, just objective.
Until now, I had no idea that Glenn Greenwald was posting in this forum.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021This post is a pretty good illustration of how similar the Democrats and Republicans are. Joe Biden is continuing to run the concentration camps that opened during the Obama administration; he's continuing our catastrophic COVID response and promising to open schools in his first 100 days (when he plans to have maybe 1/6th of the population vaccinated, including zero children); he campaigned on a public option in opposition to M4A, and he's already giving up on even that (also too-generous COVID stimulus will automatically cut Medicare due to Dem's 2010 PAYGO law, oops); he's gearing up for more war in the Muslim Middle Eastern countries, continuing Obama's neoliberal consensus foreign policy.brianadler6545 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2021Saying they're essentially the same is an extremely privileged standpoint.Trololzilla wrote:Yeah well I think it's fairly well established at this point that the Democratic Party is nearly exclusively populated with weak-willed pushovers focused so much on "unity" and "not rocking the boat" that they'll let Republicans do whatever they want and walk all over them. It's how we ended up in this mess in the first place, and it's not going to get any better. Democrats and Republicans are essentially the same - they're all corporatist oligarchs; one just pretends to be "woke" while the other is at least up-front about not being your friend.
Bet the stimulus checks will be pushed back as long as possible now too - just long enough for people to forget about the whole stock market fiasco going on right now to prevent people from investing stimulus money into the market and realizing it's all a sham. Gotta keep the masses in line, I spose.
To the immigrant families who have suffered over the last four years, people from Muslim-majority countries denied entry, catastrophic COVID response, attempts to derail Healthcare, abortion access, etc. Even their support of Democracy is completely opposite.
I agree Democrats are often pushovers, but come on, the parties are fighting for completely opposite things.
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Joe Biden is a much bigger threat to democracy than Donald Trump ever was. For all his many, many faults, Donald Trump at least gave a sh*t about following through on his campaign promises. He tried his darndest to build the wall and stick it to brown people just like he promised. Joe Biden spent his first week in office reneging on every significant promise (including the $2000 checks*). If politicians don't even try to follow through with the promises that get them elected, in what sense can we claim this is a democracy? What's the point of voting?
*The Democrats ran all over Georgia telling voters "vote Democrat and we'll send you a check for $2000". Excuses don't matter, that's what they said and they aren't doing it. People all over Georgia and the rest of the country are trying to pay their bills, they're looking at a $600 check with Donald Trump's name on it while the Democrats hem and haw over sending more. Don't blame Joe Manchin or the Republicans, those people all existed and were known to Democrats before they campaigned on $2000 checks. Don't send $1400 in April and pretend it completes the $2000 in December, rent is due every month.
I'm amazed at how much Liberals love being technically correct, compared to actually appealing to voters. Liberals spent the last decade after the ACA losing seats while explaining to people that Obama said "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" but he can't control medical networks and they change things all the time to save money and the ACA is pushing for cost savings but he didn't tell them to trim the network and also if you change insurance you can't necessarily keep your doctor due to different networks so technically Obama was telling the truth when he said you can keep your doctor even though you couldn't keep your doctor after all. Apparently that was so much fun they're all set to spend the '22 and '24 campaigns whining about how all the voters struggling with bills just don't understand that $1400 was actually enough to fulfill their promise so it's voters' fault if Democrats lose.
I mean, I know the Democrats value being important rich people and the whole working class liberal values thing is kayfabe. I just don't understand the liberal voters lining up in front of the truck, waiting to get run over again.
And what magic wand do you think he should use to make both of those things happen right this second?MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021So you think Biden refusing to provide healthcare reform or adequate stimulus is a necessary first step to providing healthcare and stimulus, or did you just forget the house was a metaphor?Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Yeah, I'd expect someone to fix it correctly, rather than patch over it. Clown.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021You hired somebody to renovate you're house and for the first two weeks they're just saying "yeah I'm gonna keep sledgehammering all the walls and pulling out the wiring", and you're like "well he just started, maybe he needs more time to get into the swing of it".
I'm usually skeptical of the Post but this article summed things up pretty clearly.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Feb 04, 2021Here is some much better, and truthful information about these checks. Certainly more useful than the crap most of you are spewing here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... d-to-know/
Now, let’s put an end to this pissing match and get back on topic.
Biden enthusiastically endorsed the checks during the Georgia runoff elections, vowing Americans would receive $2,000 stimulus payments if Democrats won those races. Biden has since insisted on sending stimulus payments worth $1,400, to supplement the $600 December payments (for a total of $2,000), while expressing openness to tightening eligibility surrounding who receives them
You mean the woman whose story completely fell apart within weeks of it coming out?MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021and of course Tara Reade
Sure, experienced war hawks and wall street backers can be professionals, even in the workers party. Great point!
last i'm going to say about it, but he did not promise $2000 payments in addition to the already-planned $600 payments. show me where he said "$2000 in addition to the $600" or "a total of $2600" and i'll concede that he trivially changed his promise. otherwise it's just interpretation.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 04, 2021I'm usually skeptical of the Post but this article summed things up pretty clearly.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Feb 04, 2021Here is some much better, and truthful information about these checks. Certainly more useful than the crap most of you are spewing here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... d-to-know/
Now, let’s put an end to this pissing match and get back on topic.
Biden enthusiastically endorsed the checks during the Georgia runoff elections, vowing Americans would receive $2,000 stimulus payments if Democrats won those races. Biden has since insisted on sending stimulus payments worth $1,400, to supplement the $600 December payments (for a total of $2,000), while expressing openness to tightening eligibility surrounding who receives them
