So you think Biden refusing to provide healthcare reform or adequate stimulus is a necessary first step to providing healthcare and stimulus, or did you just forget the house was a metaphor?Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Yeah, I'd expect someone to fix it correctly, rather than patch over it. Clown.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021You hired somebody to renovate you're house and for the first two weeks they're just saying "yeah I'm gonna keep sledgehammering all the walls and pulling out the wiring", and you're like "well he just started, maybe he needs more time to get into the swing of it".
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The Senate power-sharing agreement just got finalized today. Democrats can just now take over committees and start to get done what they want. And Biden has issued 25 EOs to reverse many of Trump's - but even then we're seeing issues like ICE still acting in defiance of them.
Ugh - can't believe I took the bait and engaged. I won't be responding again in this thread, and I highly encourage others to ignore trolls as well.
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That does nothing to change Joe Biden's stated goals of getting kids back into school, continuing fracking, continuing to detain families that cross the border, sabre-rattling over Venezuela and Iran, provide a one-time $1400 means-tested stimulus check, etc. Passing an EO to establish a committee to look at climate change is not an accomplishment. Is the power-sharing agreement going to let them give checks to people who lost their jobs in 2020, or is the check amount going to be reduced based on 2019 earnings?Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021The Senate power-sharing agreement just got finalized today. Democrats can just now take over committees and start to get done what they want. And Biden has issued 25 EOs to reverse many of Trump's - but even then we're seeing issues like ICE still acting in defiance of them.
What do you consider trolling? Disagreeing with neoliberalism? Is it against forum rules to criticize Democrats? What are you talking about?Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Ugh - can't believe I took the bait and engaged. I won't be responding again in this thread, and I highly encourage others to ignore trolls as well.
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^^^ i disagree vehemently with Mark's comments as well, but he's been contributing to this forum for a long time. it's a little disingenuous to yell "troll" every time someone rubs your sensibilities the wrong way. just disagree with him and move on.
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He's not a troll. He's just willfully ignorant of how things work.
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I predict that the Democrats are going to use the filibuster and Republicans as cover to not do anything to substantively address voter's material conditions, and as a result they are going to lose the next couple elections. In the near term, COVID is going to continue to kill thousands of Americans despite the fact we could stop it at any time with a four week lockdown. Joe Biden will issue some executive orders protecting abortion that will be reversed by the next president, and nothing further. Nothing will be done to improve the healthcare system that doesn't involve insurance companies skimming 15% off the top, and probably nothing will be done at all. I predict the Democrats are going to talk a lot about climate change and set up commissions and councils but fail to meaningfully reduce carbon emissions (in fact, fear of the pandemic will be the #1 reducer of carbon emissions this decade). In general, nothing will be done that would materially endanger the control the wealthiest Americans have over workers.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021He's not a troll. He's just willfully ignorant of how things work.
I have some hope that we get some new trains, but it's the hope of someone holding a scratch-off.
If you think you have a firmer grasp of how things work, I would be interested to hear your own predictions.
As a high schooler this conversation is a bit whimsical to me. I understand the troll part, but it should be noted that a productive forum, topic, or debate should respect the rules as if your are talking to someone in real life. You don’t yell at them or assert your views over them, other people will close themselves from you. With that said I guess I should actually contribute... I was a bit saddened when Trump won, but that didn’t stop me from hoping he would do a good job. He is a conman so I was not surprised by his brash moves to divide and largely grow his support among Americans who had felt they were ignored. With Trump losing the election and Biden in office, I wish him the best, while his policies mirror the scale of FDR and the pogressive nature of an Obama administration, it will take time to implement his plans and yah a lot of people will feel ignored but we have to be open to trying new things and progressing forward not backwards.
Mark’s analysis of the Democratic Party and Pres. Biden in particular is spot on. His campaign platform, much like Obama’s, says FDR, but his cabinet nominees, deference to Republicans, 4 decade career, and the record of the prior Democratic Administration suggest we’ll get something akin to the elder Bush Administration at best. Witness dithering over the promised $2000 checks as prologue to the next 4 years.
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Curious as to what your predictions were about Biden this time last year?MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021I predict that the Democrats are going to use the filibuster and Republicans as cover to not do anything to substantively address voter's material conditions, and as a result they are going to lose the next couple elections. In the near term, COVID is going to continue to kill thousands of Americans despite the fact we could stop it at any time with a four week lockdown. Joe Biden will issue some executive orders protecting abortion that will be reversed by the next president, and nothing further. Nothing will be done to improve the healthcare system that doesn't involve insurance companies skimming 15% off the top, and probably nothing will be done at all. I predict the Democrats are going to talk a lot about climate change and set up commissions and councils but fail to meaningfully reduce carbon emissions (in fact, fear of the pandemic will be the #1 reducer of carbon emissions this decade). In general, nothing will be done that would materially endanger the control the wealthiest Americans have over workers.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021He's not a troll. He's just willfully ignorant of how things work.
I have some hope that we get some new trains, but it's the hope of someone holding a scratch-off.
If you think you have a firmer grasp of how things work, I would be interested to hear your own predictions.
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a nitpick, but $2000 checks were never promised. the promise was a total of $2000 per eligible citizen, including the $600 that the Trump admin approved.SB in BH wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Mark’s analysis of the Democratic Party and Pres. Biden in particular is spot on. His campaign platform, much like Obama’s, says FDR, but his cabinet nominees, deference to Republicans, 4 decade career, and the record of the prior Democratic Administration suggest we’ll get something akin to the elder Bush Administration at best. Witness dithering over the promised $2000 checks as prologue to the next 4 years.
^ I was going to say I must be the only Democrat in the country who understood the checks would be $1,400 from the beginning. $1,400 + $600 = $2,000. Read a newspaper.
So what if the GA Senators "ran on $2,000 checks," they ***** won, didn't they?
So what if the GA Senators "ran on $2,000 checks," they ***** won, didn't they?
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I don't remember! There was a lot of news coming out around that time. I thought his support was soft, I figured the establishment would rally around Warren or Harris maybe? Although maybe Harris had already dropped out by then. I think it was later in the year when I found out about his role in undercutting the ACA, and of course Tara Reade, and that combined with the uncritical support of Democrats really cemented my view of electoralism as a dead end. The Democratic governors and mayors around the country responding to COVID also did a lot to dampen my remaining enthusiasm. Of course red states continue to believe COVID is a hoax, and now the blue states seem convinced that Trump gone = pandemic over, apparently nobody in power was doing anything right except to spite Trump.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Curious as to what your predictions were about Biden this time last year?MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021I predict that the Democrats are going to use the filibuster and Republicans as cover to not do anything to substantively address voter's material conditions, and as a result they are going to lose the next couple elections. In the near term, COVID is going to continue to kill thousands of Americans despite the fact we could stop it at any time with a four week lockdown. Joe Biden will issue some executive orders protecting abortion that will be reversed by the next president, and nothing further. Nothing will be done to improve the healthcare system that doesn't involve insurance companies skimming 15% off the top, and probably nothing will be done at all. I predict the Democrats are going to talk a lot about climate change and set up commissions and councils but fail to meaningfully reduce carbon emissions (in fact, fear of the pandemic will be the #1 reducer of carbon emissions this decade). In general, nothing will be done that would materially endanger the control the wealthiest Americans have over workers.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021He's not a troll. He's just willfully ignorant of how things work.
I have some hope that we get some new trains, but it's the hope of someone holding a scratch-off.
If you think you have a firmer grasp of how things work, I would be interested to hear your own predictions.
Even if you think voters should have understood that the Democrats were including $600 from Trump in their $2000, Trump provided $1800 in checks and Joe Biden is shooting for $1400 (that allegedly is already being bargained down to $1000 before means testing). They're only getting that much via reconciliation due to their worship of the filibuster, so this is their only shot this year. Democrats are lecturing voters for not understanding $1400+$600=$2000 but I think voters will understand $1400 < $1800.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021a nitpick, but $2000 checks were never promised. the promise was a total of $2000 per eligible citizen, including the $600 that the Trump admin approved.SB in BH wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Mark’s analysis of the Democratic Party and Pres. Biden in particular is spot on. His campaign platform, much like Obama’s, says FDR, but his cabinet nominees, deference to Republicans, 4 decade career, and the record of the prior Democratic Administration suggest we’ll get something akin to the elder Bush Administration at best. Witness dithering over the promised $2000 checks as prologue to the next 4 years.
Edit: And Trump is the one who was cheerleading the $2000 that Democrats bandwagoned onto! They're literally emphasizing that they are completing Trump's $2000 checks. It's farcical.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes ... ately/amp/
Newspaper read. Biden said it himself. I know Democrats love being the party of “smart,” and I wish it were true, but it’s mostly baseless self-aggrandizement. Now show me where, prior to the election, Uncle Joe or any other democrat was promising “$2000 in two installments, if the Republicans are ok with it too.”
Great point Mark. If there’s another thing we can be certain of, it’s that American voters love being lectured about math. /s
From the New York Times (Forbes isn't a newspaper either):
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/busi ... hecks.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/busi ... hecks.html
Mr. Schumer said the immediate relief bill would contain the additional money, on top of $600 individual payments Congress approved last month, to fulfill the promise of $2,000 payments that Mr. Biden made to voters in Georgia’s runoff elections this month: “We will get that done.”
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Well if you are going to bring up Tara Reade and "electoralism is a dead end" I don't know how to counter that.
Conspiracy theories and a view that elections are passe puts you closer to the MAGA crowd than those of us who are realistic and want progress.
Good luck!
Conspiracy theories and a view that elections are passe puts you closer to the MAGA crowd than those of us who are realistic and want progress.
Good luck!
Space force has the Biden administrations full support. So for those who were saying that would be going away, apparently it isn’t.
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I was curious about the 2000 vs 1400 timeline so I made this (senate election was Jan 5th for reference). Not sure what to say about it except "LOL".
My understanding was that Space Force was an idea long coming that more or less happened to come to fruition under Trump, not his brainchild.jshank83 wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Space force has the Biden administrations full support. So for those who were saying that would be going away, apparently it isn’t.
What conspiracy theory?Baltimore Jack wrote:Conspiracy theories and a view that elections are passe puts you closer to the MAGA crowd than those of us who are realistic and want progress.
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China is developing and has already tested anti-satellite weaponry on multiple occasions. from what i've read, they are maintaining the Space Force programs that are developing tech to counter this. if it had been called something else nobody would be talking about it.jshank83 wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021Space force has the Biden administrations full support. So for those who were saying that would be going away, apparently it isn’t.
pointing out that you're saying Biden promised something that he didn't as evidence of his failure (especially something as trivial as $400) isn't really lecturing.
LOL is exactly the correct response. SC, I appreciate your pedantic snark that Forbes is "not a newspaper", hat tip to you sir, but your NYT link supports my point: Prior to the Georgia election it was "$2000 checks go out the door immediately." Post election, it's "don't you stupid peasants understand math?!?" And $1400 might be trivial to an urban dilettante, but it's probably pretty significant to the Georgia voters who voted Democrat, many for the first time ever, on the assumption that the President wasn't lying when he promised them $2000. I'm not saying he's failed; it's actually the opposite. Over promising and under-delivering in service to the status quo is just what Democrats do best, and Joe Biden is off to a great start.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021I was curious about the 2000 vs 1400 timeline so I made this (senate election was Jan 5th for reference). Not sure what to say about it except "LOL".
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