if you just commented you have to refresh the page for it to show up. At least that is what works for me.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2021my god Tapatalk is f*cking trash. was trying to edit by post above because, duh, i didn't notice that "approve" and "disapprove" were flipped but i can't get the f*cking EDIT button to show up.
The process to pass the bill with the checks will start next week, with or without republicansMarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2021I wonder if failing to deliver on the promised $2000 checks will drag Biden's approval rating down soon. I think some people are just now getting $600 checks with Trump's name on them (lol).
The checks will happen. They're not going to be $2,000, but when you include the December stim checks, it will come out to $2,000, which is what was promised. I have heard some people making a stink about the next checks being $1,400 rather than $2K (including, unfortunately, St. Louis' own new congresswoman), but what was proposed all along was $2,000 back in December, rather than $600. There was never a promise of $600 plus another $2,000 later. I do think that they should have messaged things a little better after the $600 stimulus got passed, but I think the worst thing Democrats could get accused of is not being more clear about what exactly they meant as far as the promise of $2K goes.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2021I wonder if failing to deliver on the promised $2000 checks will drag Biden's approval rating down soon. I think some people are just now getting $600 checks with Trump's name on them (lol).
I think it's pretty clear how that conversation went:DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2021If there was any lingering doubt about whether or not a certain orange dotard still wields almost total control over the Grand Old Party, let the scales fall from your eyes...
Democrats can keep their majorities in 2022. But only if they're willing to do whatever it takes to overcome the completely intractible Republican obstruction that awaits. Schumer needs to give McConnell an ultimatum - either get your colleagues to work with us in good faith to get legislation passed for the American people, or continue doing what you've always done and we'll take whatever corrective measures we have available - including the obliteration of the filibuster. If the Democrats let the Republicans hold the country hostage for 2 years, the voters will punish the Democrats, not the Republicans, in November 2022.
Yep, pretty much.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2021Democrats and Republicans are essentially the same - they're all corporatist oligarchs; one just pretends to be "woke" while the other is at least up-front about not being your friend.
Saying they're essentially the same is an extremely privileged standpoint.Trololzilla wrote:Yeah well I think it's fairly well established at this point that the Democratic Party is nearly exclusively populated with weak-willed pushovers focused so much on "unity" and "not rocking the boat" that they'll let Republicans do whatever they want and walk all over them. It's how we ended up in this mess in the first place, and it's not going to get any better. Democrats and Republicans are essentially the same - they're all corporatist oligarchs; one just pretends to be "woke" while the other is at least up-front about not being your friend.
Bet the stimulus checks will be pushed back as long as possible now too - just long enough for people to forget about the whole stock market fiasco going on right now to prevent people from investing stimulus money into the market and realizing it's all a sham. Gotta keep the masses in line, I spose.
People who think Dems and Republicans are the same are probably the same people who think Cori Bush is the same as MTGsc4mayor wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2021^ Well said. And not just what you point out...but the extremism. How many Marjorie Taylor Greens are in the Democratic Party? How many democratic supporters stormed the Capitol in a blatant attempt to subvert democracy? Many of them led on by elected Republicans...
How many democrats were calling for public executions and erecting gallows on the Capitol grounds? All because of a lie perpetuated by those same elected Republicans...
But yeah...we're all the same lol.
This is such a ridiculously bad take I don't even know where to begin.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2021Yeah well I think it's fairly well established at this point that the Democratic Party is nearly exclusively populated with weak-willed pushovers focused so much on "unity" and "not rocking the boat" that they'll let Republicans do whatever they want and walk all over them. It's how we ended up in this mess in the first place, and it's not going to get any better. Democrats and Republicans are essentially the same - they're all corporatist oligarchs; one just pretends to be "woke" while the other is at least up-front about not being your friend.
Bet the stimulus checks will be pushed back as long as possible now too - just long enough for people to forget about the whole stock market fiasco going on right now to prevent people from investing stimulus money into the market and realizing it's all a sham. Gotta keep the masses in line, I spose.
The other thing about the whole pushover claim that people don't seem to get is all it takes is one obstinant Democrat in the Senate right now to hold up the entire agenda. If Manchin doesn't get on board with whatever we're trying to get done, then the Democrats don't have the votes, period.brianadler6545 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2021Saying they're essentially the same is an extremely privileged standpoint.Trololzilla wrote:Yeah well I think it's fairly well established at this point that the Democratic Party is nearly exclusively populated with weak-willed pushovers focused so much on "unity" and "not rocking the boat" that they'll let Republicans do whatever they want and walk all over them. It's how we ended up in this mess in the first place, and it's not going to get any better. Democrats and Republicans are essentially the same - they're all corporatist oligarchs; one just pretends to be "woke" while the other is at least up-front about not being your friend.
Bet the stimulus checks will be pushed back as long as possible now too - just long enough for people to forget about the whole stock market fiasco going on right now to prevent people from investing stimulus money into the market and realizing it's all a sham. Gotta keep the masses in line, I spose.
To the immigrant families who have suffered over the last four years, people from Muslim-majority countries denied entry, catastrophic COVID response, attempts to derail Healthcare, abortion access, etc. Even their support of Democracy is completely opposite.
I agree Democrats are often pushovers, but come on, the parties are fighting for completely opposite things.
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Right, so then primary them. Push for statehood for D.C. and PR. Do whatever it takes to gain a better Senate presence. Have a Whip that does whatever it takes to ensure the votes go the way they need them to.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2021To be clear, there are precisely TWO Democrats in the United States senate who are making it difficult to move things forward. Senator Manchin and Senator Sinema. Unfortunately, because the Senate is currently split 50-50, all it takes is one Democrat not getting on the train to derail the whole thing. Don't blame the entire party for the actions of the few.
Hardly. The Squad is about the most respectable part of Congress.kipfilet wrote: People who think Dems and Republicans are the same are probably the same people who think Cori Bush is the same as MTG
I can't possibly imagine what might go wrong with an effort to primary the only Democrat capable of winning a statewide election in a state that Trump won by roughly 40 points in both 2016 and 2020.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2021Right, so then primary them. Push for statehood for D.C. and PR. Do whatever it takes to gain a better Senate presence. Have a Whip that does whatever it takes to ensure the votes go the way they need them to.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2021To be clear, there are precisely TWO Democrats in the United States senate who are making it difficult to move things forward. Senator Manchin and Senator Sinema. Unfortunately, because the Senate is currently split 50-50, all it takes is one Democrat not getting on the train to derail the whole thing. Don't blame the entire party for the actions of the few.
This post is a pretty good illustration of how similar the Democrats and Republicans are. Joe Biden is continuing to run the concentration camps that opened during the Obama administration; he's continuing our catastrophic COVID response and promising to open schools in his first 100 days (when he plans to have maybe 1/6th of the population vaccinated, including zero children); he campaigned on a public option in opposition to M4A, and he's already giving up on even that (also too-generous COVID stimulus will automatically cut Medicare due to Dem's 2010 PAYGO law, oops); he's gearing up for more war in the Muslim Middle Eastern countries, continuing Obama's neoliberal consensus foreign policy.brianadler6545 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2021Saying they're essentially the same is an extremely privileged standpoint.Trololzilla wrote:Yeah well I think it's fairly well established at this point that the Democratic Party is nearly exclusively populated with weak-willed pushovers focused so much on "unity" and "not rocking the boat" that they'll let Republicans do whatever they want and walk all over them. It's how we ended up in this mess in the first place, and it's not going to get any better. Democrats and Republicans are essentially the same - they're all corporatist oligarchs; one just pretends to be "woke" while the other is at least up-front about not being your friend.
Bet the stimulus checks will be pushed back as long as possible now too - just long enough for people to forget about the whole stock market fiasco going on right now to prevent people from investing stimulus money into the market and realizing it's all a sham. Gotta keep the masses in line, I spose.
To the immigrant families who have suffered over the last four years, people from Muslim-majority countries denied entry, catastrophic COVID response, attempts to derail Healthcare, abortion access, etc. Even their support of Democracy is completely opposite.
I agree Democrats are often pushovers, but come on, the parties are fighting for completely opposite things.
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This is, hands down, one of the stupidest things I've ever read.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021This post is a pretty good illustration of how similar the Democrats and Republicans are. Joe Biden is continuing to run the concentration camps that opened during the Obama administration; he's continuing our catastrophic COVID response and promising to open schools in his first 100 days (when he plans to have maybe 1/6th of the population vaccinated, including zero children); he campaigned on a public option in opposition to M4A, and he's already giving up on even that (also too-generous COVID stimulus will automatically cut Medicare due to Dem's 2010 PAYGO law, oops); he's gearing up for more war in the Muslim Middle Eastern countries, continuing Obama's neoliberal consensus foreign policy.brianadler6545 wrote: ↑Jan 30, 2021Saying they're essentially the same is an extremely privileged standpoint.Trololzilla wrote:Yeah well I think it's fairly well established at this point that the Democratic Party is nearly exclusively populated with weak-willed pushovers focused so much on "unity" and "not rocking the boat" that they'll let Republicans do whatever they want and walk all over them. It's how we ended up in this mess in the first place, and it's not going to get any better. Democrats and Republicans are essentially the same - they're all corporatist oligarchs; one just pretends to be "woke" while the other is at least up-front about not being your friend.
Bet the stimulus checks will be pushed back as long as possible now too - just long enough for people to forget about the whole stock market fiasco going on right now to prevent people from investing stimulus money into the market and realizing it's all a sham. Gotta keep the masses in line, I spose.
To the immigrant families who have suffered over the last four years, people from Muslim-majority countries denied entry, catastrophic COVID response, attempts to derail Healthcare, abortion access, etc. Even their support of Democracy is completely opposite.
I agree Democrats are often pushovers, but come on, the parties are fighting for completely opposite things.
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Joe Biden is a much bigger threat to democracy than Donald Trump ever was. For all his many, many faults, Donald Trump at least gave a sh*t about following through on his campaign promises. He tried his darndest to build the wall and stick it to brown people just like he promised. Joe Biden spent his first week in office reneging on every significant promise (including the $2000 checks*). If politicians don't even try to follow through with the promises that get them elected, in what sense can we claim this is a democracy? What's the point of voting?
*The Democrats ran all over Georgia telling voters "vote Democrat and we'll send you a check for $2000". Excuses don't matter, that's what they said and they aren't doing it. People all over Georgia and the rest of the country are trying to pay their bills, they're looking at a $600 check with Donald Trump's name on it while the Democrats hem and haw over sending more. Don't blame Joe Manchin or the Republicans, those people all existed and were known to Democrats before they campaigned on $2000 checks. Don't send $1400 in April and pretend it completes the $2000 in December, rent is due every month.
I'm amazed at how much Liberals love being technically correct, compared to actually appealing to voters. Liberals spent the last decade after the ACA losing seats while explaining to people that Obama said "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" but he can't control medical networks and they change things all the time to save money and the ACA is pushing for cost savings but he didn't tell them to trim the network and also if you change insurance you can't necessarily keep your doctor due to different networks so technically Obama was telling the truth when he said you can keep your doctor even though you couldn't keep your doctor after all. Apparently that was so much fun they're all set to spend the '22 and '24 campaigns whining about how all the voters struggling with bills just don't understand that $1400 was actually enough to fulfill their promise so it's voters' fault if Democrats lose.
I mean, I know the Democrats value being important rich people and the whole working class liberal values thing is kayfabe. I just don't understand the liberal voters lining up in front of the truck, waiting to get run over again.
I mean, what do you think is going to change beyond two weeks? He has spent the past two weeks promising to do bad things and make everything worse. I agree with you insofar as Biden (and Democrats in general) can stop being terrible basically any time they want to, but that doesn't change the fact that they're currently doing a bad job and are advertising that they will continue to do the same.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021^I'll give this a 6.5/10 for trolling. Not bad, but could have tried a bit harder to stir the pot.
It's only been two weeks since Biden's inauguration and people are already trying to claim he's a failure. I guess if you can't completely renovate a house in two weeks after the previous owner purposefully pulled out all wiring, plumbing, and took a sledgehammer to some load bearing walls, then that's your fault too.
Yeah, I'd expect someone to fix it correctly, rather than patch over it. Clown.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Feb 03, 2021You hired somebody to renovate you're house and for the first two weeks they're just saying "yeah I'm gonna keep sledgehammering all the walls and pulling out the wiring", and you're like "well he just started, maybe he needs more time to get into the swing of it".
