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PostApr 12, 2010#4451

I will bet that the 50% NO will be the answer.

I have given up on Cardinals Management and I am glad the site/city will be fining them millions a year in 3 years if no BPV is under construction - although that's a drop in the bucket to those guys.

Same song and dance - bonds aren't selling high enough yadda yadda yadd - Ya know Bill if you would of taken the Centene option or any of the other options or built it when you "said" you were going to (when the economy was fine)... tough breaks!

Bill DeWitt is the biggest liar in business there is. I don't like people that "promise" one thing to get another". IDIOT! Period.

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PostApr 13, 2010#4452

matguy70 wrote:I think this is the same "Becca" from the KC boards:
http://forum.kcrag.com/index.php?action ... =statPanel
Improbable, I know the Becca from the KC boards personally, and she has better things to do than pretend shes from St. Louis to bash St. Louis on a message board.

I love both towns, have lived in both, and it would be nice if KC was the perfect, shining metropolis on the hill - it would do us some good as well, but it's just not the case.

I want downtown St. Louis to have the same central draw as P + L, without the rediculous Cordish canned look, which is already looking dated in other places like Baltimore. St. Louis doesnt have to have that - and I'm damn glad we didnt sacrifice our first born for the thing.

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PostApr 13, 2010#4453

From the STLToday.com Building Blocks Blog: Is it time to rethink Ballpark Village?
Maybe Ballpark Village is the last thing downtown St. Louis needs.

Maybe the last thing downtown needs is a contrived “entertainment district” of chain restaurants and stores that purport to be local and somehow special.

Hours after the Cardinals home opener yesterday afternoon, people still crowded bars, restaurants and clubs from Laclede’s Landing to Washington Avenue to South Broadway to Soulard. Put another way, thousands of baseball fans found places to spend money at local places that employ hundreds of bartenders, waiters and musicians.

Meanwhile, the site of Ballpark Village remains a parking lot and a softball field the Cardinals installed last summer before the All-Star Game. ...

As much as anything else, downtown needs more jobs–lots of them. To attract those jobs, downtown needs more class A office space–lots of it. Yes, the commercial real estate market is lousy just about everywhere. And financing just about anything in this post-recession economy remains difficult.

And yet. As things stand today, the Cardinals own 10 empty acres north of Busch Stadium. Is it time for the team to start over with a new plan for the site?

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PostApr 13, 2010#4454

Mike Smith April 13, 2010 at 1:45 UTC

Lot of complaints about the city here. Mayor Slay, your thoughts?

Oh, sorry, that’s right: you only respond to yourself on your blog.

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Hmmm...

I can see the author's point on the starting over thing. We certainly don't want to take patrons away from local bars and restaurants.

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PostApr 13, 2010#4455

matguy70 wrote:Bill DeWitt is the biggest liar in business there is. I don't like people that "promise" one thing to get another". IDIOT! Period.
A bit of decorum, please.

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PostApr 16, 2010#4456

According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, Boston's mayor is threatening the use of eminent domain against a developer on a downtown site. The developer has demolished most of the site, but has yet to begin construction on the promised development. The mayor is hoping the threat will put a fire underneath the developer's feet and lead to actual construction.

Hint, hint.

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PostApr 17, 2010#4457

Mill204 wrote:According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, Boston's mayor is threatening the use of eminent domain against a developer on a downtown site. The developer has demolished most of the site, but has yet to begin construction on the promised development. The mayor is hoping the threat will put a fire underneath the developer's feet and lead to actual construction.

Hint, hint.
As the article states, the Mayor became angry with the developer when he said some interesting things about another property he left vacant for a long time in New York at a lecture:

"Then last month, Mr. Roth sparked Mayor Menino's ire by publicly suggesting that he had intentionally let the former site of Alexander's department store lie fallow in New York City in the 1990s.

The New York Observer quoted Mr. Roth as saying at a lecture at Columbia University, "Why did I do nothing? Because I was thinking in my own awkward way that the more the building was a blight, the more the governments would want this to be redeveloped, the more help they would give us when the time came."

Mr. Roth also said that he was waiting for the "price to go up a lot" before he built, according to the article."

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PostApr 19, 2010#4458

Heard some chatter this weekend that Peabody and Stifel could have bookend, new corp HQ buildings built on the BDV site...Anybody here anything like that?

I don't believe it. More Peabody posturing to get the best deal somewhere, anywhere, if you ask me...

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PostApr 19, 2010#4459

^Not to mention, their number one priority is the takeover bid for Macarthur Coal. If the deal goes through for an estimated 3.8 Billion, I can't imagine them having a ton of money to spend on a new headquarters building. It would be nice to get some anchor tenants though.

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PostApr 19, 2010#4460

Peabody is the largest coal company in the world. I think they can afford to build a new HQ.

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PostApr 19, 2010#4461

^They may be, but in this economy, coming off of a $4 Billion acquisition
(if they succeed), not likely.

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PostApr 19, 2010#4462

Moorlander wrote:Peabody is the largest coal company in the world. I think they can afford to build a new HQ.
Or lease a building built by someone else.

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PostApr 19, 2010#4463

I doubt their acquisition would have any impact or ability to fund resources in securing a new HQ. In fact, having a HQ that is defineable to the rest of the world is probably desireable. Your conference room overlooks a Pro Baseball team playing in a stadium named Busch or has a view of the Arch. That is what people know of St. Loius, Beer, Baseball and that goofy Arch. Peabody like Stifel Nichols need to think in those terms as most of their revenue and clients are defined globally.

Personally, I think this would be huge if Stifel Nichols and Peabody come to bat for an office tower at BPV. The sooner the better (might have to change the new construction thread from $1 billion to $2 billion - need to put some good vibes back on this thread).

More importantly, these two companies are experieincing and excelling in their markets. Think long term and you can easily see them having a need for more space. BPV, if we get back to long term thinking instead of what fines to impose, gives us a unique opportunity to lay down some immpressive office footprints and still have room to boot for a new residential tower or two.

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PostApr 19, 2010#4464

^I agree, it would be awesome to have two anchor tenants there. However, it is the old 'rob Peter to pay Paul' theory. You move two major downtown companies to BPV and lose two companies in other parts of Downtown. Do I want BPV to happen, YES! Will it benefit Downtown to have companies playing musical chairs and not adding new companies Downtown, NO.

I really don't care how big your company is, if you acquire $4 billion in debt, you are not very likely to go drop another large chunk of change on a HQ, at least right away. Do they have the money, for sure. Will they build a HQ if they acquire Macarthur, not right away, if at all.

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PostApr 19, 2010#4465

I see your point DogtownB&R, However, in actuallity it's not a question of them building. It is a question of where they sign their next lease just as their current space is under lease. In other words, they don't own their HQ now and won't in BPV. In that terms its a much more simpler transaction on a cost that will be part of their budget in any circumstance.

The question is, will they pay premium for a premium location that still needs two years for build out, vie for a similiar deal in the county, or simply resign an existing lease. I think this scenario gives us a much better chance to finally build new Class A downtown, even if it is musical chairs.

On another note with Peabody, just plain great to see a St. Louis company on the offense in the global economy.

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PostApr 19, 2010#4466

Ok, I was thinking it would be a lease versus build, but for some reason I read it as a build. In the case of signing a long term lease, I am sure they will do it if they can get a favorable location within the development. Another thing to mention is the increased visibility that Peabody has at sporting events. They are advertising at Blues, Cards and Rams games. I'd assume it is like Boeing, building goodwill and getting their name out there. I thought their ads at Scottrade Center where the power goes out, were quite unique. Maybe that desire to be more visible in the sports venues gives us an insite into their desire to have the Peabody name up there on the buildings visible from Busch. Has been a trend over the past several years to put company names and law firm names on buildings near Busch. Great advertising!

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PostApr 19, 2010#4467

DOGTOWNB&R wrote:I really don't care how big your company is, if you acquire $4 billion in debt, you are not very likely to go drop another large chunk of change on a HQ, at least right away. Do they have the money, for sure. Will they build a HQ if they acquire Macarthur, not right away, if at all.
Will they acquire $4B in debt?

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PostApr 19, 2010#4468

^Not sure what the logistics of the deal are, but has to be some acquisition of debt when you are talking about acquiring a $4 Billion company. Not many companies have that kind of free cash laying around. Even if they did, they wouldn't drop it all on one deal. Common sense allows me to assume the acquisition requires the taking on of some major debt. Considering Peabody is the largest private sector coal company in the world, they shouldn't have any issues taking on the debt and paying it off.

-Didn't mean to get off of the BPV subject. The Peabody situation is interesting though.

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PostApr 19, 2010#4469

DOGTOWNB&R wrote:^Not sure what the logistics of the deal are, but has to be some acquisition of debt when you are talking about acquiring a $4 Billion company. Not many companies have that kind of free cash laying around. Even if they did, they wouldn't drop it all on one deal. Common sense allows me to assume the acquisition requires the taking on of some major debt. Considering Peabody is the largest private sector coal company in the world, they shouldn't have any issues taking on the debt and paying it off.

-Didn't mean to get off of the BPV subject. The Peabody situation is interesting though.
If they issue shares, it will cost them no cash at all.

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PostApr 20, 2010#4470

"Furthermore, Peabody is prepared to offer cash to all Macarthur shareholders and remains willing to provide any, or all, of Macarthur's three major shareholders with the opportunity to retain their economic interest in Macarthur should they so desire." - Yahoofinance

No debt.

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PostApr 20, 2010#4471

newstl2020 wrote:"Furthermore, Peabody is prepared to offer cash to all Macarthur shareholders and remains willing to provide any, or all, of Macarthur's three major shareholders with the opportunity to retain their economic interest in Macarthur should they so desire." - Yahoofinance

No debt.
They'll be taking on debt to finance this acquisition. They had <1 billion cash as of 12/31/09.

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PostApr 20, 2010#4472

Didn't go that deep. Good call.

That being said, does this thing have any legs or are we all talking about nothing?

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PostApr 20, 2010#4474

Before we get too off-topic (about a project 300 pages into a thread with no sign of construction imminent), here’s what we should remember about the deal before we get too worried about accumulated debt positions in any Peabody M&A of Macarthur.

The primary business of Macarthur Coal, Ltd. is the exportation of pulverized coal, which is essential to the creation of steel. East Asian steel demand is still chucking along, especially with the continued growth of real estate in China continuing despite the global economy’s pains. As other countries see similar demand for steel, including Malaysia and South Korea, Macarthur will be the primary supplier. Especially considering shipping costs, this is a market that the US can compete in only through M&A.

Meanwhile, Arch Coal, another major player in coal and also based in Saint Louis, made note in the investment world today through a release stating what can be expected in the near future from metallurgical coal sales. Namely: sales are forecast to triple based off increased demand from steelmakers. Arch Coal’s forecast I believe mostly takes into consideration US steel producers; I didn’t listen to the call or read any quarterlies, just catching the highlights here.

But, what this does is act as a forecaster for Peabody and their intentions. If it can reasonably be expected to see demand in an industry’s subset to triple in the near future, geographic conditions being static, then Peabody’s acquisition could be of an imminent cash cow. Any concerns of the company retaining too much short- and mid-term debt to take care of a theoretical corporate relocation, in buildings built-to-suit by a desperate development group (under growing political pressure and a great loss of brand equity for their recent failures to act), is potentially over-reaching. If they relocate, it’ll be done with the developers wearing white gloves to facilitate the deal.

Enough consideration? Hope so.

Focus: You know what you build with metallurgical coal? Steel.

Where is the demand for this steel? New high rise construction.

You know where a great place for such construction would be?

THAT HORRIBLE SOFTBALL FIELD NEXT TO BUSCH, CORDISH!

I see that softball field, I want to take a FLAMETHROWER to that place!

After anticipating this project since I first heard about it, NINE YEARS AGO, we have nothing to show for it except for a yard that no one wants to mow. The only good things that have come of it are:
1. That kid who wrote “Cubs Suck” in the snow, and
2. The rightful derision we collectively have for your foot-dragging.

You don’t even give anticipatory hope of starting construction anytime soon, as if you’ve forgotten all about it. At least give us some hope that this giant pit of crap will be filled with something other than a chain-link fence and parking spaces. I hope to all that is right and just that you will stand by your word, start work on the project soon, and have the end result meet expectations set by your company’s schematics. However, should you continue to fail, I hope that all justice weighs down on your heads, both in the courts of law and of public opinion.

I have been a giant fan of this project for years. I still have faith in it. However, I no longer have faith in your word. I know of the state of the credit markets deeply, and professionally, and I know how you all are hurting. However, to not even give hint as to progress is a sin and completely disrespectful. Stand by your word, and get busy.

You took the old Busch from Saint Louis, promising a lot and delivering nothing, and in doing so you’ve amputated its spirit, leaving only that empty, embarrassing field. That’s no prosthetic to the tall buildings and new jobs that rightfully should be there. You think you’re merely riding out the downturn in credit while retaining your bottom line, but for Saint Louis I say you are … executing his soul! And why? Because you’re cautiously waiting it out like businessmen. Business men. Cordish, you keep mucking up the works, you’ll be business bums, the lot of ya.

Oh, and Billy, DeWitt, wherever you are out there, fark you too!

Now, here’s Saint Louis. This City has come to the cross-roads of its renaissance. He has chosen his path. It’s the right path. It’s a path made of principles, founded in jobs, renewal, and an increase livelihood for its citizens through actual development. This path furthers the City’s character. Let him continue on his journey.

Do your jobs. Start construction, and start it soon.

Whoo-ah.

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PostApr 20, 2010#4475

^Does music play (in your head) for anyone else when they read this guy's posts??

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