metzgda wrote:Maybe this will get the owners to provide more updated information on the project and it's hole.
I would hope so, but I wouldn't count on it. I don't expect much from those, uh, ___holes.
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I would hope so, but I wouldn't count on it. I don't expect much from those, uh, ___holes.
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DeBaliviere wrote:Here are some pictures of The Power & Light District, Cordish's new development in KC:
Link
I actually hit up a couple of nightlife destinations in this project on a visit to KC a few months. I didn't realize that this was a Cordish project. If BPV will end up similar to that project, it will be worth the wait. But I'm not holding my breathe.
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Is the general opinion now that this wont get built? I still can;t believe that they wont build the village .......
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markofucity wrote:Is the general opinion now that this wont get built? .
No...
I too went to KC's Power and Light District, like, last week, for the first time. I have to say that it was nice, but is out of place. The new arena is amazing...it looks like art!!! BUT...the PandL District is soooo cookie cutter and faux industrial it makes me sick. The PandL District would fit in perfect in Clayton or OFallon, but I sure hope that BPV will be a little more urban and sleek. Granted...it is not completed yet and there will be residential towers in the PandL District, but that does not get around the fact that it is mostly a tourist trap full of bars (What possible sustainability could those have after the original surge of patrons gets tired of it???). So, yes the PandL District is nice, but, with regards to the BPV, I pray that whoever builds it will not make it like KC's newest destination. The BPV needs to be something new and revolutionary, not something that could easily be picked up and placed elsewhere in the city and no one would notice. It NEEDS to be more BIG CITY URBAN, not this new age stuff one can find in the county. It needs to be sleek, stylish, sophisticated, and inviting to baseball patrons, businessmen, and residents alike. The overall theme of the PandL District is "fake industrial". This is NOT what Downtown St. Louis needs more of. The BPV needs to be something modern, FULL OF GLASS (the apple store in Chicago or New York for example), and sustainable beyond bars!!!!!
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denlp02 wrote:I too went to KC's Power and Light District, like, last week, for the first time. I have to say that it was nice, but is out of place. The new arena is amazing...it looks like art!!! BUT...the PandL District is soooo cookie cutter and faux industrial it makes me sick. The PandL District would fit in perfect in Clayton or OFallon, but I sure hope that BPV will be a little more urban and sleek. Granted...it is not completed yet and there will be residential towers in the PandL District, but that does not get around the fact that it is mostly a tourist trap full of bars (What possible sustainability could those have after the original surge of patrons gets tired of it???). So, yes the PandL District is nice, but, with regards to the BPV, I pray that whoever builds it will not make it like KC's newest destination. The BPV needs to be something new and revolutionary, not something that could easily be picked up and placed elsewhere in the city and no one would notice. It NEEDS to be more BIG CITY URBAN, not this new age stuff one can find in the county. It needs to be sleek, stylish, sophisticated, and inviting to baseball patrons, businessmen, and residents alike. The overall theme of the PandL District is "fake industrial". This is NOT what Downtown St. Louis needs more of. The BPV needs to be something modern, FULL OF GLASS (the apple store in Chicago or New York for example), and sustainable beyond bars!!!!!
At least we have time to avoid those mistakes in Kansas City judging the amount of time they're taking to build this project
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I think we need to worry more on if this damn thing will ever get built rather than what it'll look like.
My guess would be....look at the blueprints and divide by three. That always seems to happen here when a new project begins. Before you know it, what looks and sounds grand on paper always ends up getting corners cut. I hope that doesn't happen but I worry....
My guess would be....look at the blueprints and divide by three. That always seems to happen here when a new project begins. Before you know it, what looks and sounds grand on paper always ends up getting corners cut. I hope that doesn't happen but I worry....
KSDK -- St. Louis Alderman Fred Wessels (D-13th Ward) chastised the owners of Ballpark Village on Tuesday and has called for immediate inspections on the property to see if it meets minimum property standards.
Wessels, who represents a chunk of south St. Louis near Carondelet Park, said the site is "an eyesore and a blight on adjacent properties."
The alderman said the property was in violation of the city property maintenance code, and has asked city building commissioner Frank Oswald to send inspectors to the site.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.as ... 58&catid=3
Wessels, who represents a chunk of south St. Louis near Carondelet Park, said the site is "an eyesore and a blight on adjacent properties."
The alderman said the property was in violation of the city property maintenance code, and has asked city building commissioner Frank Oswald to send inspectors to the site.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.as ... 58&catid=3
I think we need to worry more on if this damn thing will ever get built rather than what it'll look like.
WRONG. Build it right or don't build it at all. Perhaps you were joking with this statement.
zas wrote:KSDK -- St. Louis Alderman Fred Wessels (D-13th Ward) chastised the owners of Ballpark Village on Tuesday and has called for immediate inspections on the property to see if it meets minimum property standards.
Wessels, who represents a chunk of south St. Louis near Carondelet Park, said the site is "an eyesore and a blight on adjacent properties."
The alderman said the property was in violation of the city property maintenance code, and has asked city building commissioner Frank Oswald to send inspectors to the site.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.as ... 58&catid=3
Maybe Wessels is trying to pave the way for the city to take back the property via eminent domain.
I lived in Carondelet for three years. Fred has enough blight, neglect and decay in his own ward to last a lifetime. I wish he'd focus his attention there.
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shaneo69 wrote:zas wrote:KSDK -- St. Louis Alderman Fred Wessels (D-13th Ward) chastised the owners of Ballpark Village on Tuesday and has called for immediate inspections on the property to see if it meets minimum property standards.
Wessels, who represents a chunk of south St. Louis near Carondelet Park, said the site is "an eyesore and a blight on adjacent properties."
The alderman said the property was in violation of the city property maintenance code, and has asked city building commissioner Frank Oswald to send inspectors to the site.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.as ... 58&catid=3
HAH!
Wow!Thanks, Fred, for your commentary.
The Ballpark Village crater, if planted and made a temporary lake/park, would be 115 times more attractive than adjacent properties, such as those god awful parking garages.
If left fallow, it's still at least 3 times more attractive.
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shadrach wrote:I lived in Carondelet for three years. Fred has enough blight, neglect and decay in his own ward to last a lifetime. I wish he'd focus his attention there.
Agreed...concentrate some effort on the building at Grand and Holly Hills..the "Shoppers Cleaners" building. Such potential in such a beautiful neighborhood, yet that building looks like trash. Would like to hear him put some pressure on that building owner rather than meddling outside of his district, getting his name press.
Nobody else is stepping up to the plate and making the Cardinals accountable.
Okay: maybe he is attention whoring. But I don't see any of the downtown aldermen doing anything.
Okay: maybe he is attention whoring. But I don't see any of the downtown aldermen doing anything.
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The "Shoppers Cleaners" building is in Matt Villas ward and in the past he talked about using eminent domain to get it improved. However with all the controversy over the Loughborough Commons complex it appears he has turned gun shy on using this legal tool and let the buildings redevelopment drop. Supposedly the owners of the building list an address in the Middle East which makes them almost impossible to go after.
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MSU South Sider wrote:shadrach wrote:I lived in Carondelet for three years. Fred has enough blight, neglect and decay in his own ward to last a lifetime. I wish he'd focus his attention there.
Agreed...concentrate some effort on the building at Grand and Holly Hills..the "Shoppers Cleaners" building. Such potential in such a beautiful neighborhood, yet that building looks like trash. Would like to hear him put some pressure on that building owner rather than meddling outside of his district, getting his name press.
I also live in Carondelet, and I agree with you both. However, I really don't mind what Fred Wessels is doing, because there simply aren't enough people holding the Cardinals accountable. And as I see it, he has every right to make a case of this, because the Cardinals sold the Ballpark Village project as something that would benefit the entire city and region. Instead, if we're lucky, we'll have a grassy field or a parking lot in time for next year's All-Star Game.
I knew I was throwing out a hand grenade there...Yes, it is good someone is moaning about the lack of action at BPV. Thank you, Fred.
Disclaimer on my comment regarding Wesel's ward: I'm assuming the abandoned 7-11, St. Marcus Park, and Save a Lot are in his ward.
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southcitygent wrote:The "Shoppers Cleaners" building is in Matt Villas ward and in the past he talked about using eminent domain to get it improved. However with all the controversy over the Loughborough Commons complex it appears he has turned gun shy on using this legal tool and let the buildings redevelopment drop. Supposedly the owners of the building list an address in the Middle East which makes them almost impossible to go after.
I have read that before too (probably in this forum) about the owner being out of the country. It really is a shame as that is the first building that you see when you leave the park and start heading north on Grand. I would love to see something go there instead of the cleaner that specializes in "hard washed jeans". I often thought a Jimmy Johns might do well there. Really not a sandwich shop around the area.
Currently it is "Shopers Cleaners" as one of the P's fell off or has gone missing.
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I heard a pretty funny joke the other day...
... Ballpark Village!
... Ballpark Village!
I think we should start harassing Cordish and everyone else involved until we see some progress.
here is the contact info for Cordish. I just sent them a friendly message and will do so every day until construction starts.
http://cordish.com/sub.cfm?section=contact
here is the contact info for Cordish. I just sent them a friendly message and will do so every day until construction starts.
http://cordish.com/sub.cfm?section=contact
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I'm so sick of this crap. Construction should have been underway, oh, in 2006.
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Being back in the StL area, can someone tell me who's fault is this? Or is this everyone's?
Cordish's fault for not starting?
BP Owners for not financing?
What is the holdup?
Cordish's fault for not starting?
BP Owners for not financing?
What is the holdup?
Survivor147 wrote:Being back in the StL area, can someone tell me who's fault is this? Or is this everyone's?
Cordish's fault for not starting?
BP Owners for not financing?
What is the holdup?
Business as usual in St. Louis. "We gotta build the Dome! Subsidize us! It'll spur all kinds of ancillary development." Dome built. No ancillary development; physical barrer at Downtown's north end. Adjacent St. Louis Centre subsequently fails.
"We gotta build a new Kiel! It'll spur all kinds of ancillary development! We'll have a great new performing arts facility when we redo the Opera House! Build us a parking garage, and subsidize us!" New Kiel built. In place of ancillary development, historic adjacent building torn down for surface lot. Nearby Union Station on brink of failure.
"We gotta build a new Busch! It'll spur a Ballpark Village!!! Subsidize us!" See above, then see lot adjoining new Busch.
But just think of all the jobs building the $1B Dome replacement will create!!!