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PostApr 03, 2006#351

Do you remember how much extra stuff there was to do when the final four was here? Games, sports related and not, street vendors corporate tents and much more.

Not to the same degree - but why can't we have some of the same type of things outside the stadium when the Cards Play. Especially when it?s a big game like verses the Cubs or heaven forbid the playoffs and World Series. It just creates even more of that awesome atmosphere that is so great for business around the stadium. I had friends from Chicago who go to Illinois say how much they loved St. Louis when they came down. People wanting to come down and spend money is never a bad thing.
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PostApr 05, 2006#352

Conurbation wrote:LIving next to Ted Drewes might make you the luckiest person in the world, but if you aren't careful it could also make you the fattest.


I tell my daughter that the big garage doors on the garages of the duplexes right behind Ted Drewes are actually the front doors of those buidlings. The people who live there eat at Ted Drewes all the time and got so fat that they had to replace their front doors with those garage doors.
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PostApr 05, 2006#353

It has probably already been mentioned since it was registered last June, but the stlballparkvillage.com domain is owned by The Cordish Company.



There isn't anything up there yet.... but keep checking: http://www.stlballparkvillage.com
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PostApr 05, 2006#354

And remember, www.ballparkvillage.com, while interesting, has absolutely nothing to do with Cordish or the Cardinals
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PostApr 05, 2006#355

New information on this project from Bill Dewitt. The article can be found on the st. louis city links page. I have no idea how to post it ...
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PostApr 05, 2006#356

Cardinals? DeWitt outlines firmer plans for Ballpark Village

By Mitch Schneider

Posted Wednesday, April 5, 2006



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With the Cardinals soon to begin play in their new stadium, team management is continuing to promote the Ballpark Village component of the new facilities. At a recent event, one member of the management team discussed where the project stands and how the team is hoping that people will turn the village into a nest with a bird?s-eye view of the stadium.



Bill DeWitt III, senior vice president of business development for the Cardinals, was one of the speakers at a March 23 event at St. Louis University. The event, ?St. Louis Renaissance: What?s New in Sports, Arts and City Living,? was sponsored by SLU?s College of Public Service, School for Professional Studies and School of Social Work.



DeWitt said that the Cardinals are currently still in negotiations with the city over some of the details of the project, including some economic factors. One issue, he said, is working out a schedule to minimize conflicts with events or projects that the city has planned for the downtown area. He said that they hope to reach an agreement within the month, and then the next stage will be to finalize the designs and break ground for the village by the end of the year.



In negotiations leading up to the controversial deal that made possible the demolition of the old Busch Stadium and construction of the new stadium next door, St. Louis city and St. Louis County leaders repeatedly cited the Ballpark Village as a key component of the deal and the justification for involving public money. City officials hope that the new stadium will be more integrated with the rest of downtown than the old Busch Stadium and that the area will be a year-round destination.







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PostApr 05, 2006#357

Good article, except that Clark Street is the southern boundary of Ballpark Village, not the northern.



BTW, I put 230 pics onto ballparkconstruction.com this morning if anyone is interested in pics from the first game at Busch.
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PostApr 06, 2006#358

He said that they hope to reach an agreement within the month, and then the next stage will be to finalize the designs and break ground for the village by the end of the year.


They've known about this project for how long and now there is the possibility that it won't break ground until the end of the year?
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PostApr 06, 2006#359

Real planning didn't start until the Cardinals chose Cordish as the lead developer. Cordish was not selected until June 3, 2005, so they haven't even been working on this for a year. This is by no means out of the ordinary for a project this size. I think they've actually put this together pretty quickly.
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PostApr 10, 2006#360

I was in KC last week and spoke with a Cordish rep there about their Power & Light District in downtown KC, but also had to ask about the timing of Ballpark Village. The Cordish rep in KC didn't know any details on the project, but her feeling was that designs were being finalized and leasing agents would start within a year.
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PostApr 10, 2006#361

An article in a local neighborhood paper quoted Bill DeWitt as saying that the project is simply crossing some technical-type hurdles now--like how to reconfigure traffic flows during construction.
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PostApr 11, 2006#362

Martin Van Der Werf

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/11/2006



With Ballpark Village to rise between his hotel and the stadium, does he have any guarantee that he will still have the same view two years from now? "The Cardinals tell me there will be an ESPN Zone and a residential tower no more than 13 stories high," O'Loughlin says.
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PostApr 11, 2006#363

ChesterfieldKid03 wrote:Martin Van Der Werf

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/11/2006



"The Cardinals tell me there will be an ESPN Zone and a residential tower no more than 13 stories high," O'Loughlin says.




Those who think BPV will be some sort of Rockefeller Center in NYC, with soaring signature residential towers and unique shops, are going to be dissapointed. The Cards got their new stadium by dangling the prospects of a unique urban development under our noses, but now that the ballpark is done, this project will likely be scaled way back. The result will be lot of chain restauants, a few (workforce) apartments and a lot of tired plazas, filled only at game time.
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PostApr 11, 2006#364

ChesterfieldKid03 wrote:Martin Van Der Werf

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/11/2006



With Ballpark Village to rise between his hotel and the stadium, does he have any guarantee that he will still have the same view two years from now? "The Cardinals tell me there will be an ESPN Zone and a residential tower no more than 13 stories high," O'Loughlin says.


Awesome news about the ESPN zone! Whoaa!
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PostApr 11, 2006#365

Once can only hope that news is wrong, otherwise it is very disapointing.







The thing I fail to understand is this. If the demand for the towers will be high and the development will make money, why wouldn't Dewitt and Company move forward and tap the full potentital of another development source?





One other thing to consider, if folks remember looking back at the designs that have been released, it is possible the article refers only to the 2 blocks that would be part of phase 1, which clearly shows a tower around 13 stories high near Clark and 7th.
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PostApr 11, 2006#366

Jeff Vanderlou wrote:
ChesterfieldKid03 wrote:Martin Van Der Werf

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/11/2006



"The Cardinals tell me there will be an ESPN Zone and a residential tower no more than 13 stories high," O'Loughlin says.




Those who think BPV will be some sort of Rockefeller Center in NYC, with soaring signature residential towers and unique shops, are going to be dissapointed. The Cards got their new stadium by dangling the prospects of a unique urban development under our noses, but now that the ballpark is done, this project will likely be scaled way back. The result will be lot of chain restauants, a few (workforce) apartments and a lot of tired plazas, filled only at game time.


Ouch, what a buzzkill. Somebody tell me this isn't true or that we can do something to prevent it...



How can they fit 1,000 units into a 13 floor tower? I really hope this is wrong.
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PostApr 11, 2006#367

The ballpark is designed specifically for the view of downtown and the arch. There's no way they are going to build towers to kill that multi-million dollar view. Yea, the only place on the currently vacated plot to build a tower is to the west at Clark and 7th. A tower there wouldn't block views from existing towers.



The premise/concept of the ballpark village is actually village-like. Vibrancy in public spaces doesn't necessarily automatically come with density or high rise towers. See some of the best public spaces in the world listed at www.pps.org.
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PostApr 11, 2006#368

It seems we all forgot to read this part of the quote:
With Ballpark Village to rise between his hotel and the stadium, does he have any guarantee that he will still have the same view two years from now?
Perhaps they are referring to the direct view from the Hilton?The two tallest residential towers looked further east of the Hilton anyhow.
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PostApr 11, 2006#369

Jeff Vanderlou wrote:
ChesterfieldKid03 wrote:Martin Van Der Werf

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/11/2006



"The Cardinals tell me there will be an ESPN Zone and a residential tower no more than 13 stories high," O'Loughlin says.




Those who think BPV will be some sort of Rockefeller Center in NYC, with soaring signature residential towers and unique shops, are going to be dissapointed. The Cards got their new stadium by dangling the prospects of a unique urban development under our noses, but now that the ballpark is done, this project will likely be scaled way back. The result will be lot of chain restauants, a few (workforce) apartments and a lot of tired plazas, filled only at game time.


That is contradictary statement in my mind. Ballpark village being a vibrant and robust area, being seen as the catalyst to the south side renaissance will only add huge dollars to the bottome line of that franchise. It doesn't take a businessman with more money then any of us to figure that out. They are packaging the team up for sale most likely, but to think these guys don't see the value is crazy. This kind of speak is usually by those who were against the stadium in the first place who portray ownership as greedy narcissist with no real care for downtown. Some of that is probably true, but luckily BPV will add to all those things they love such as notoriety, wealth, and a bunch of pats on the back.
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PostApr 11, 2006#370

I am seriously dissapointed to say the least... but I am going to wait for a little more information and a little more clarity before I punch my computer screen again!! The espn zone will be awesome!
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PostApr 11, 2006#371

The ballpark is designed specifically for the view of downtown and the arch. There's no way they are going to build towers to kill that multi-million dollar view. Yea, the only place on the currently vacated plot to build a tower is to the west at Clark and 7th. A tower there wouldn't block views from existing towers.


Hmm, well I don't think we are talking about the same stadium. From all of the pictures and renderings I have seen, the Arch is pretty clearly visible from the stadium and should continue to be even if new towers were built in the BV.



The renderings released earlier clearly show 3 large towrs (20+ stories) and some smaller things around 7th and Clark. There are three possiblities:

1. The cards are full of crap and we won't get anything like what has been shown.



2. The guy doesn't know what he is talking about and refering only too the first phase, which might well be around 7th and Clark and the mid rises shown there.



3. A bit of both: maybe only 2 large towers, and a few other smaller buildings.



My guess is that it is 2 or 3, because there is too much money to be made I think for 1. Regardless, it will be intersting to see if the cards do fully develope the site. I hope they do.
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PostApr 11, 2006#372

During the pregame show yesterday Bill DeWhitt said they are going to start construction this summer, which contradicts the statement last week of hoping to get ground broke by the end of the year.



In all honesty, I don't think they know when they are going to do it but hopefully they do it soon because that lot looks U-G-L-Y.
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PostApr 11, 2006#373

I think you guys put way too much stock in that quote. That is most likely referring to a direct view from the Hilton. That would be where the pocket park is mainly. There is plenty of room to build towers and not block the view of the arch. The Ballpark Village towers become part of the skyline, so there is no way they can block the skyline. There's money to be made, so why would they scale back the plans. The Card's don't have to do a single thing but provide the land. Cordish can take care of everything else.
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PostApr 11, 2006#374

That's what I was concluding...that he was referring to phase I. For some reason, the Hilton is banking on their views not being obstructed but I don't know what this is based on.
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PostApr 11, 2006#375

For what it is worth...



The H I L T O N in bright red huge letters ontop of the new Hilton at teh Ballpark were being raised during the first game at Busch Stadium. Hmmmm.
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