Ballpark Village Towers and Mixed Use Project

jmedwick · PostFeb 17, 2006#2762006-02-17T04:13+00:00

Yeah it looks like most of the itnerior streets are open, and from the site plan you can't tell what will be on the upper stories. As mentioned before, the 2 residential towers are likely the two along Clark, giving the Cardinals flexability as the project moves forward and allows them to make another tower office or residential depending on the demand.

Mark brings up the best point of all, and that is with the units coming online in the BV and the other units in , downtown could be fast approaching the mark of 10,000 within the actual downtown proper, making the day when a downtown mall could be a viable property.

What i really wonder, is if given the retail offered here in the BV and the retail offered in the OPO with a finished Arcade, could it be best if the mall were abanonded for completely new development (like office or residential) to support a highly sucessful retail loop of 8th, Clark, Olive, and 7th?

Thats great news SS, maybe past speculation over an office building on the site will take off again.

tb1000 · PostFeb 17, 2006#2772006-02-17T05:29+00:00

I wonder if Ozzie Smith and Mayor Slay will open (reopen) a steakhouse in BPV?

urbanstlouis · PostFeb 17, 2006#2782006-02-17T06:40+00:00

St.Louis UAB alumni wrote:I wonder if Ozzie Smith and Mayor Slay will open (reopen) a steakhouse in BPV?

Are you talking about Smith & Slay's Restuarant? If so, the Slay you are referring to is David Slay, celebrity chef.

PostFeb 17, 2006#2792006-02-17T06:41+00:00

St.Louis UAB alumni wrote:I wonder if Ozzie Smith and Mayor Slay will open (reopen) a steakhouse in BPV?

Are you talking about Smith & Slay's Restuarant? If so, the Slay you are referring to is David Slay, celebrity chef/restaurateur. David Slay filed for bankruptcy a little more than a year ago...

tb1000 · PostFeb 17, 2006#2802006-02-17T16:18+00:00

Yep, that was it. I guess that explains why it never made sense to me why a HOF baseball player and a mayor would open up a steakhouse.

I'm an idiot.

Expat · PostFeb 17, 2006#2812006-02-17T16:23+00:00

You are not an idiot!!! That was an easy mistake to make, especially for someone kind of new in town.

st. louis texan · PostFeb 17, 2006#2822006-02-17T18:58+00:00

Ya don't feel like an idiot, i have a 134 I.Q. and still would have made that mistake.

MattnSTL · PostFeb 18, 2006#2832006-02-18T04:08+00:00

Why doesn't that ever show on this forum? With an IQ like that you should have some pretty good contributions to the forum.

xing · PostFeb 18, 2006#2842006-02-18T04:23+00:00

I never believed in IQ tests. I dont believe SAT's or ACT's can really test your intelligence either. I'm not trying to pick on you texas, it's just that you brought it up, and it's a general opinion.

st. louis texan · PostFeb 18, 2006#2852006-02-18T19:17+00:00

Oh im really f-ing smart, i should be getting like A's in everything but i'm lazy as heck. i don't put as much detail into things and i'm still one B away from staright A's.

BTW i have made some good cntributions to the forum, like the sports thread and ummmm.........the...........ummm....no wait...um no...

stlmike · PostFeb 18, 2006#2862006-02-18T19:29+00:00

How about you not drop your IQ into the forum discussion? Let us all refrain from subtle self-promotion.

drdrew · PostFeb 18, 2006#2872006-02-18T19:45+00:00

I don't generally trust those who claim to know their IQ more exactly than about 10 points, and I'm not impressed with those who drop their IQ into conversation unprovoked. Besides, it's nice to be smart, but it's what you do with it that counts.

Anyway, Ballpark Village will be great, won't it. It's wonderful that we're essentially trading the old stadium and the parking lot south of it for a new stadium and three high-rises, retail, restaurants, etc. I wish every surface parking lot downtown went through this kind of transformation.

MattnSTL · PostFeb 19, 2006#2882006-02-19T05:20+00:00

stlmike wrote:How about you not drop your IQ into the forum discussion? Let us all refrain from subtle self-promotion.

Yes, we could all drop our very high ACT scores or IQ's (Yes, mine were very high too, so what), but that doesn't make one bit of difference in this forum. So lets refraim from things like that in the future. This is a forum about St. louis, not our book smarts. It's already been stated by others, but I figured I would put it in an official moderater post.

comandantecero · PostFeb 19, 2006#2892006-02-19T06:04+00:00

wow, way to overreact.

anywho, looks like everything's coming along nicely. What is the timeline on this again?

urban elitist · PostFeb 19, 2006#2902006-02-19T06:09+00:00

^2008, Seems like that's the timeline for everything now. Man that's gonna be a great year to live downtown.

MattnSTL · PostFeb 19, 2006#2912006-02-19T06:26+00:00

ComandanteCero wrote:wow, way to overreact.

I don't think it's an overreaction, because we don't need a stupid thread with everyone comparing their IQ's and test scores which will degenerate to personal attacks. In a forum like this, those scores are absolutely meaningless, especially if it doesn't help you to make a worthwhile contribution.

No need to bring this up anymore, let's get back to Ballpark Village.

smsplanstu · PostFeb 19, 2006#2922006-02-19T19:17+00:00

2008 and new residents & my graduation, before the 2010 Census.

The City of St. Louis will hopefully keep its residents and add many new ones in order to prove the about-face.

st. louis texan · PostFeb 20, 2006#2932006-02-20T02:23+00:00

ya i cant wait until 2008, but what i would like to see is what St. Louis will look like in 50 years.

2taall · PostFeb 23, 2006#2942006-02-23T18:28+00:00

Is BP Village only going to be a couple of 20 story towers? I could have sworn I heard that somewhere. If this is so, what a disapointment after seeing the rendering with the three big towers.

Since they have scaled their towers down to 22 floors interest seems to have gone down the toilet since; as evidenced by the lack of activity in this thread.

MattnSTL · PostFeb 23, 2006#2952006-02-23T18:32+00:00

2taall wrote:Since they have scaled their towers down to 22 floors interest seems to have gone down the toilet since; as evidenced by the lack of activity in this thread.

I don't think lack of activity in a thread correlates with lack of interest in a project. There isn't much going on in may threads for big projects, but everyone is still very interested.

2taall · PostFeb 23, 2006#2962006-02-23T18:35+00:00

But you have to admit Matt, it is a pretty disapointing after seeing the renderings of the three big towers.

MattnSTL · PostFeb 23, 2006#2972006-02-23T18:36+00:00

Not sure, because they are using the old renderings, but there was mention of 22 floor buildings. The also only mentioned 2 high-rises, so I don't think the 22 floor statement was accurate. I am going to email Cordish and see what they have to say.

Like I said, i don't think we know which is correct. I'd lean on the renderings, but the 22 floors could be correct.

soulardd · PostFeb 23, 2006#2982006-02-23T19:00+00:00

2taall wrote:But you have to admit Matt, it is a pretty disapointing after seeing the renderings of the three big towers. They have scaled their towers down to 22 floors and interest seems to have gone down the toilet since; as evidenced by the lack of activity in the BP Villiage thread.

Wow, talk about jumping to conclusions. Ones that don't even make sense.

If you're going to throw numbers around how about the one that said they'd build 1200 condos. That's a big number, and would show that interest is sky high.

jmedwick · PostFeb 23, 2006#2992006-02-23T19:13+00:00

BV, I think you have yourself a bit mixed up. If you go back read, listen, and see the text of the itnerviews and other info, it is clear to me that the 2 towers are residential and that the thrid tower, as you wrongly assume, must also be residential. The first part of the project is along Clark, where two of the towers sit. I think it is safe to say that the first (clark st.) pahse will include two residential tower. A thrid office or residential could be built in the second phase. I don't call that disapointing. I call that a good idea as it gives flexablity to the design.

debaliviere · PostFeb 23, 2006#3002006-02-23T19:13+00:00

Since they have scaled their towers down to 22 floors interest seems to have gone down the toilet since; as evidenced by the lack of activity in this thread.

If there's been a lack of activity in this thread, it's probably because:

1) There hasn't been much news

2) Unlike the Bottle District, there hasn't been much to critique - the plans look pretty solid.

I'm not at all discouraged by the renderings, because they're just that - preliminary renderings. Once they get closer to marketing this project and the market dictates what gets built, then I think we'll see more people commenting on the designs.

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