If you look closely you can see that the glass tower in the leaked drawings (there is only one, though it is viewed from several angles) matches the outline on the parking lot. And the position. And the height. I counted 24 stories on the thing, counting the first floor visible above the foreground pavilion as four. It matches the "room for a tall and thin" comment. (Close to the height, but half the floorspace of the phase two tower.) Sounds to me like that's phase three (or 2.5 if you like) and they accidentally released it early. All of this still feels like vapor to me. Too many pretty gold things have turned to twigs and leaves in that area in the hard light of day. But maybe, just maybe this time the faeries in charge are telling the truth.
I am tired of looking at renderings for this project. I barely can get excited. Can it just get done already?
-San Diego is nearly finished with its Ballpark Village.
-Minneapolis has cranes swarming its U.S. Bank Stadium vicinity.
-Detroit has its District Detroit rising on several blocks near its new arena.
-Atlanta is building its Ballpark Village near the Atlanta Braves new home in suburban Atlanta already.
-Dallas broke ground on Texas Live this week.
-LA Live, below, is completed.
All of these "Ballpark Villages" were proposed AFTER the St. Louis Cardinals Ballpark Village proposal. And what does St. Louis have? A Phase I mall and some new renderings........again.
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-San Diego is nearly finished with its Ballpark Village.
-Minneapolis has cranes swarming its U.S. Bank Stadium vicinity.
-Detroit has its District Detroit rising on several blocks near its new arena.
-Atlanta is building its Ballpark Village near the Atlanta Braves new home in suburban Atlanta already.
-Dallas broke ground on Texas Live this week.
-LA Live, below, is completed.
All of these "Ballpark Villages" were proposed AFTER the St. Louis Cardinals Ballpark Village proposal. And what does St. Louis have? A Phase I mall and some new renderings........again.
I think out of the very interesting week the Cardinals had and Cordish had from their very interesting and well received announcement to the embarrassing leak yesterday will probably lead them to announce what that was since The Business Journal and possibly others will have the story. So they may save themselves from more embarrassment if they announce the Hotel Tower.
Or In short, they will save their reputation and grow the district
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Even if the hotel tower isn't apart of this phase, we still get a 29 story tower out of this. We have a 27 story tower going up in Clayton, 28 and 34 stories planned at Centene, the rumored 40+ story at Forest Park, I would say that St Louis in the near future could be in the midst of a high rise boom.
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40+? We love tall. I am thinking of rehabbing this into condos. Rooms will be small but parking is abundant. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/ ... 335398.jpg
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+10000000 hahahahagary kreie wrote:40+? We love tall. I am thinking of rehabbing this into condos. Rooms will be small but parking is abundant. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/ ... 335398.jpg
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arch city wrote:I am tired of looking at renderings for this project. I barely can get excited. Can it just get done already?
-San Diego is nearly finished with its Ballpark Village.
-Minneapolis has cranes swarming its U.S. Bank Stadium vicinity.
-Detroit has its District Detroit rising on several blocks near its new arena.
-Atlanta is building its Ballpark Village near the Atlanta Braves new home in suburban Atlanta already.
-Dallas broke ground on Texas Live this week.
-LA Live, below, is completed.
All of these "Ballpark Villages" were proposed AFTER the St. Louis Cardinals Ballpark Village proposal. And what does St. Louis have? A Phase I mall and some new renderings........again.
I'd like to add Edmonton's Ice District. One of the cooler ones I've seen.
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^ wow, that ICE District in Edmonton is something else...
http://icedistrictproperties.com/
I was pretty impressed with the Buffalo Sabres district but this really is a hockey town.
btw, I think the Pittsburgh Penguins' development had a setback when US Steel pulled out of its decision to headquarter there... Clayco had designed it. I believe McCormack Baron is still proceesing with the housing component though.
I also believe some decent mixed-use is going up around the new Vikings arena and is being planned for around the future Bucks Arena, but I'm not sure if those are single-developer, master-planned type districts.
http://icedistrictproperties.com/
I was pretty impressed with the Buffalo Sabres district but this really is a hockey town.
btw, I think the Pittsburgh Penguins' development had a setback when US Steel pulled out of its decision to headquarter there... Clayco had designed it. I believe McCormack Baron is still proceesing with the housing component though.
I also believe some decent mixed-use is going up around the new Vikings arena and is being planned for around the future Bucks Arena, but I'm not sure if those are single-developer, master-planned type districts.
I am sure everyone knows Joe Vaccaro of the 23rd Ward. He is my Alderman and I know him personally. We talk sometimes and I talked to him this morning about Phase 2 and the Bill to the City. He says that he will vote for it because he wants to see more development. But he also said that there is opposition within the Board of Alderman on giving a 1% Sales Tax to the district rather than the city. He said that this could cause a change in plans for the Village. I then asked him about the leaked Hotel and Office Tower and showed him images. He wasn't surprised and said that "it isn't the first time they've hidden things from us". But he did believe like me and many others here that that Tower will rise when Phase 2 is nearly completed or just when it gets completed.
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I wrote on my website why Ballpark Village is the fire that went off of the spark to start Downtown Development. Read it here.
http://designofarchitecture.weebly.com/ ... rowing-now
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For the remaining buildings on the Ballpark Village site, I can see them being in the range of the Remaining KC Power and Light District buildings. And the hotel we may get with the BPV Development is Cordish's own Live! Branded hotel. Which based on their website description of the hotel, is 5 stars. Maybe Cordish will release the remaining building renderings for us because in KC They haven't fully announced the remaining 3 and 4 Light buildings but they still appear in the renderings. So if Cordish does release the remaining plans for the village in renderings, I am going to believe they would be released before Phase 2 Begins construction.
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Good article. Another huge spark in KC development is from the KC Streetcar line. New construction all along the route, I've ridden it and I can honestly say it's a huge breath of fresh air and optimism for the downtown core
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I think a difference though b/w the KC & STL developments is that Ballpark Village appears to be more fluid with potential office in the mix while Cordish has master-planned the Light residential towers. Assuming Phase 2 get built as planned, I suspect the comparative success of the office and residential components will shape the remainder of the district... ideally I'd like to see regional (and some national) biz take strong interest in the area and fill up a larger share of the last phase(s) over residential.chriss752 wrote: Maybe Cordish will release the remaining building renderings for us because in KC They haven't fully announced the remaining 3 and 4 Light buildings but they still appear in the renderings. So if Cordish does release the remaining plans for the village in renderings, I am going to believe they would be released before Phase 2 Begins construction.
I'd be very, very happy if a luxury residence and hotel tower took up one of the last three parcels and office (wih street level retail) took up the other two.
I'm as pissed as you are about the failings of the Cardinals and St. Louis, but I need to correct you about one point. The Texas Rangers ballpark village was part of the original proposal back in the early 90's. It's been dusted off and shined up as part of their push to get a mountain of public money to replace a 22 year old baseball stadium.arch city wrote:I am tired of looking at renderings for this project. I barely can get excited. Can it just get done already?
-San Diego is nearly finished with its Ballpark Village.
-Minneapolis has cranes swarming its U.S. Bank Stadium vicinity.
-Detroit has its District Detroit rising on several blocks near its new arena.
-Atlanta is building its Ballpark Village near the Atlanta Braves new home in suburban Atlanta already.
-Dallas broke ground on Texas Live this week.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/201 ... ck-to-1991
The Texas Rangers’ stadium was never meant to be a retro ballpark sitting alone, mostly surrounded by an asphalt prairie.
When the stadium was proposed in the early 1990s, it was envisioned as an anchor for a new downtown Arlington. There was talk of a San Antonio-style river walk, amphitheater, shops and even residential development. Fans would have a place to hang out before and after games, and streets and sidewalks would be busy even in the off-season. Lead architect David M. Schwarz called it an “opportunity to create a new community.”
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Ballpark Village Phase 2 is catching attention elsewhere -- mentioned in this article on the expanding plans for redevelopment of the Tigers parking lots as part of the larger Ilitch-led "District Detroit" that also includes the new arena (that may now include the Pistons).
http://www.dbusiness.com/daily-news/Ann ... r-Stadium/
Looks like they want to put on the lots some of the Phase One style entertainment venues and some of the Phase 2 style office and residential.
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Across the street you can see infill construction starting on the Little Caesars HQ expansion. LC is also above the Fox Theater on the right and that's the Fillmore Theater on the left with offices also above.
http://www.dbusiness.com/daily-news/Ann ... r-Stadium/
Looks like they want to put on the lots some of the Phase One style entertainment venues and some of the Phase 2 style office and residential.
Across the street you can see infill construction starting on the Little Caesars HQ expansion. LC is also above the Fox Theater on the right and that's the Fillmore Theater on the left with offices also above.
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What is the real timeline for the Phase 2 tower to get started? I know the Aldermanic bill was filed last week, but when would the vote actually happen? Would they need to obtaining any zoning variances prior to filing building permits? I just want to see construction start before anything can slow it down.
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So really then the only hurdle is the 1% tax bill already filed. Got it. Hopefully this means we'll see some actual site movement within the year and it doesn't get pushed back or delayed.
That bill according to Alderman Joe Vaccaro could pass before Januarychaifetz10 wrote:So really then the only hurdle is the 1% tax bill already filed. Got it. Hopefully this means we'll see some actual site movement within the year and it doesn't get pushed back or delayed.
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Good question. I'm wondering if they're thinking of a model similar to the Foundry or—if any remembers—the short-lived, rather popular market at the Old Post Office in the late 80s/early 90s.
Phase 2 now has its own website. This is probably where people can apply for a lease in the apartment Tower and see amenities that come with the development once is gets underway phase2.stlballparkvillage.com
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^ A thought I had about the market is the possibility of Dierbergs opening their first store inside city limits and/or moving their HQ from Chesterfield to the new office building. What are the odds of this happening?
That's what I thought to. I think the Market may just be a independent store. It's a very small possibility.FirSTLove wrote:^ A thought I had about the market is the possibility of Dierbergs opening their first store inside city limits and/or moving their HQ from Chesterfield to the new office building. What are the odds of this happening?
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