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cardinalstl wrote:I remember someone saying earlier on this forum that they saw the site plan and it was only the western half. I bet this was the original phase 2 plan with residential phase 3 but that was then switched. I would love to see the hotel be phase 2.5 and maybe start construction in 2018.

It may be Phase 2.5. I think the Cardinals are going to announce this soon or when the current office building gets closer to 60% occupancy with others looking at it. But this new building should just be built because it appears Fox Sports Midwest is the tenant in this building based on renderings.

I wonder if the city passes the plan that Alderman Jack C. Is proposing is approved earlier rather than later that construction could start sooner than the idea of it beginning in the Second Half of 2017


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So is Cordish out on this project?

Chalupas54 wrote:So is Cordish out on this project?

It doesn't appear so. Because the spokesman, Chase Martin of Cordish, said that the leaked renderings from today were not authorized to be released publicly by the Cardinals.


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Chalupas54 wrote:So is Cordish out on this project?

It doesn't appear so. Because the spokesman, Chase Martin of Cordish, said that the leaked renderings from today were not authorized to be released publicly by the Cardinals.


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Interesting. From what I've been reading, is the new tower part of phase two, or a phase 3?

New renderings show alternative Ballpark Village
Brian Feldt
Senior Reporter
St. Louis Business Journal

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... ml?ana=twt

New renderings shown on the website of a Baltimore architecture firm provide an alternative plan for the second phase of Ballpark Village.

The renderings, from Hord Coplan Macht, show a slightly different vision for Ballpark Village from what the Cardinals released earlier this week, when the team announced a $220 million phase two to the 10-acre site just north of Busch Stadium.

Chase Martin, Cordish’s development director who is project manager overseeing Ballpark Village, said the renderings, which have since been taken down from Hord's website, were not authorized by the Cardinals.

Hord designed the official Ballpark Village Phase II renderings released by the St. Louis Cardinals earlier this week.

The new, unauthorized renderings show a broader project and include development on the northern portion of Ballpark Village site.

One of the firm’s renderings — looking west toward the Thomas Eagleton Courthouse — shows a tall building behind a Class-A office building. The building in the Hord rendering appears to be similar to the residential tower that will be built on the eastern edge of the development, according to the renderings the Cardinals issued this week.

Another Hord rendering shows a tower on the northeast corner of the 10-acre site at the intersection of Broadway and Walnut Street.

Official phase two plans call for construction of a 29-story, 230-foot-tall luxury high-rise apartment tower as well as what officials said will be the first new Class A office building built downtown since 1989. Construction is slated to begin in the second half of 2017, with some areas to open in 2018 and the entire second phase addition completed by 2019, officials said.

Cardinals President Bill DeWitt III, earlier this week, told the Business Journal a phase three could come on three rectangular parcels to the north of the current plans. “Those could be anything, but set up nicely to be office or residential,” he said. “My dream would be a big company to come in and build a campus on three blocks and add some retail and add to the streetscape.”

According to Hord’s website, Ballpark Village was to include three major components:

“The first is a high-rise residential mixed-use building with 275 units and 20,000 square feet of retail space directly adjacent to the ballpark. The next block is a 24-story mixed-use tower with 100,000 square feet of office space and a 220-room key hotel, with additional retail in the base. Both of these contain structured parking. The third element of the plan is an event pavilion with a 10,000 square foot public market at grade with a private event space above.”

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chriss752 wrote:

Chalupas54 wrote:So is Cordish out on this project?

It doesn't appear so. Because the spokesman, Chase Martin of Cordish, said that the leaked renderings from today were not authorized to be released publicly by the Cardinals.


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Interesting. From what I've been reading, is the new tower part of phase two, or a phase 3?

It may be part of a middle phase that will lead into Phase 3


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If you look closely you can see that the glass tower in the leaked drawings (there is only one, though it is viewed from several angles) matches the outline on the parking lot. And the position. And the height. I counted 24 stories on the thing, counting the first floor visible above the foreground pavilion as four. It matches the "room for a tall and thin" comment. (Close to the height, but half the floorspace of the phase two tower.) Sounds to me like that's phase three (or 2.5 if you like) and they accidentally released it early. All of this still feels like vapor to me. Too many pretty gold things have turned to twigs and leaves in that area in the hard light of day. But maybe, just maybe this time the faeries in charge are telling the truth.

I think out of the very interesting week the Cardinals had and Cordish had from their very interesting and well received announcement to the embarrassing leak yesterday will probably lead them to announce what that was since The Business Journal and possibly others will have the story. So they may save themselves from more embarrassment if they announce the Hotel Tower.

Or In short, they will save their reputation and grow the district

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Even if the hotel tower isn't apart of this phase, we still get a 29 story tower out of this. We have a 27 story tower going up in Clayton, 28 and 34 stories planned at Centene, the rumored 40+ story at Forest Park, I would say that St Louis in the near future could be in the midst of a high rise boom.


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40+? We love tall. I am thinking of rehabbing this into condos. Rooms will be small but parking is abundant. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/ ... 335398.jpg


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gary kreie wrote:40+? We love tall. I am thinking of rehabbing this into condos. Rooms will be small but parking is abundant. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/ ... 335398.jpg


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+10000000 hahahaha

^ wow, that ICE District in Edmonton is something else...

http://icedistrictproperties.com/

I was pretty impressed with the Buffalo Sabres district but this really is a hockey town.

btw, I think the Pittsburgh Penguins' development had a setback when US Steel pulled out of its decision to headquarter there... Clayco had designed it. I believe McCormack Baron is still proceesing with the housing component though.

I also believe some decent mixed-use is going up around the new Vikings arena and is being planned for around the future Bucks Arena, but I'm not sure if those are single-developer, master-planned type districts.

I am sure everyone knows Joe Vaccaro of the 23rd Ward. He is my Alderman and I know him personally. We talk sometimes and I talked to him this morning about Phase 2 and the Bill to the City. He says that he will vote for it because he wants to see more development. But he also said that there is opposition within the Board of Alderman on giving a 1% Sales Tax to the district rather than the city. He said that this could cause a change in plans for the Village. I then asked him about the leaked Hotel and Office Tower and showed him images. He wasn't surprised and said that "it isn't the first time they've hidden things from us". But he did believe like me and many others here that that Tower will rise when Phase 2 is nearly completed or just when it gets completed.


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Good article. Another huge spark in KC development is from the KC Streetcar line. New construction all along the route, I've ridden it and I can honestly say it's a huge breath of fresh air and optimism for the downtown core

chriss752 wrote: Maybe Cordish will release the remaining building renderings for us because in KC They haven't fully announced the remaining 3 and 4 Light buildings but they still appear in the renderings. So if Cordish does release the remaining plans for the village in renderings, I am going to believe they would be released before Phase 2 Begins construction.

I think a difference though b/w the KC & STL developments is that Ballpark Village appears to be more fluid with potential office in the mix while Cordish has master-planned the Light residential towers. Assuming Phase 2 get built as planned, I suspect the comparative success of the office and residential components will shape the remainder of the district... ideally I'd like to see regional (and some national) biz take strong interest in the area and fill up a larger share of the last phase(s) over residential.

I'd be very, very happy if a luxury residence and hotel tower took up one of the last three parcels and office (wih street level retail) took up the other two.

Ballpark Village Phase 2 is catching attention elsewhere -- mentioned in this article on the expanding plans for redevelopment of the Tigers parking lots as part of the larger Ilitch-led "District Detroit" that also includes the new arena (that may now include the Pistons).

http://www.dbusiness.com/daily-news/Ann ... r-Stadium/

Looks like they want to put on the lots some of the Phase One style entertainment venues and some of the Phase 2 style office and residential.



Across the street you can see infill construction starting on the Little Caesars HQ expansion. LC is also above the Fox Theater on the right and that's the Fillmore Theater on the left with offices also above.