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Did anyone notice in this 2012 rendering the tower to the left and the base of the building in to the right? Maybe it was a tease then, but maybe it is what we might get.


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^I like that version of BPV. The outdoor corridor/courtyard is an improvement over what got built.

So we are probably looking at plans being revealed in the next month or so. Any bets on when actual construction will begin? This time next year?

chaifetz10 wrote:I would bet that it's another 6+ months before any plans are released and then 2+ years before any construction begins. My reasoning and logic is the fact that I know of concrete plans they had years ago that fell through (I even teased them here). It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they release plans and then either substantially reduced the size/complexity before it's built or used them as a leverage tool to get even more incentives out of the city.

I wouldn't be surprised a bit if Cordish/DeWitt have gone back to the city and asked the city to back the bonds on a new high rise residential and or even a hotel tower. Question in my mind, would that require BofA approval or something that can pulled off through the treasurer office?

Master plan info? But at the same time, this includes 7 blocks and Bowling Hall of fame. So maybe we should aim for just the offices, hotel and Residential pointed out in this.


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^that must be at least 10 years old considering the BHOF building was torn down in 2008 and relocated to Texas in 2011.

I am going to make a prediction on Ballpark Village. Mr. Bill Dewitt said in Phase 2 he wants 290 units of condos. The 12 floor OPUS on Lindell in CWE has about 200+ units. But he wants luxury condos in one, thin building. 290 units in 1 thin building? It's possible. 7 units per floor is a good size so times it by 40. 280 units above the lobby. Then add another floor, you have then 287 units. Then have 3, 42nd floor penthouses. Because the residents don't want to live in a very compact area with low ceilings, make them 12-15 feet tall depending on the rent cost. Add the lobby a height of 25ft so retailers can be two floors tall. The height of the building would be (with utilities in the roof) 540feet tall. That would make the building 4th tallest in the city and only 10ft shorter than the Eagleton Courthouse.

In short, 42 floors tall, 540 feet, Saint Louis' 4th Tallest, Missouri's 7th Tallest. With out the Arch, Saint Louis' 3rd Tallest, Missouri's 6th Tallest. it would also become the Midwest's tallest residential building outside of Chicago. Beating the current tallest 909 Walnut residential building in Kansas City in the soon to be tallest in the Midwest Kansas City power and light building

Or, If they want to (which they may) divide up the 290 units into 2 20-25 floor buildings on the site that would be around 275ft-325ft.


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The opus development at Lindell and Euclid is over 200 units


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http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... e3a1e.html
Lets hope that the Mike Shannons Location becomes something better than this. We don't need 2 Ferris Wheels in the General Downtown area. Plus this Ferris Wheel would cause issues on Walnut and Market with traffic. The thing would also be weird to have next door to Ballpark Village.

Given the history, shouldn't we just start a new thread for phase II after we hit 100 pages and see if we can't hit another 100 or so pages? If not mistaken, believe we are on phase II of posting comments about Ballpark Village.

At the moment I'm inclined to share Chaifetz sentiments, maybe see plans in another +6 month and maybe something be built in two years.

dredger wrote:Given the history, shouldn't we just start a new thread for phase II after we hit 100 pages and see if we can't hit another 100 or so pages? If not mistaken, believe we are on phase II of posting comments about Ballpark Village.

At the moment I'm inclined to share Chaifetz sentiments, maybe see plans in another +6 month and maybe something be built in two years.

I made a new thread. Ballpark Village Phase 2 is up under Development and Construction Downtown Saint Louis section on UrbanSTL.


Witnessing and being part of Saint Louis history is one of the best things to witness.

^Doesnt really seem necessary to have multiple threads on a single topic.

The Mike Shannon's site is an amazing opportunity to build something great in a prime location. Putting a Ferris wheel there would be an absolute waste and would arguably hurt DT south of Market street more than it would help. Especially if another wheel is already being built just a few blocks away.

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:The Mike Shannon's site is an amazing opportunity to build something great in a prime location. Putting a Ferris wheel there would be an absolute waste and would arguably hurt DT south of Market street more than it would help. Especially if another wheel is already being built just a few blocks away.

Agreed!


Witnessing and being part of Saint Louis history is one of the best things to witness.

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:The Mike Shannon's site is an amazing opportunity to build something great in a prime location. Putting a Ferris wheel there would be an absolute waste and would arguably hurt DT south of Market street more than it would help. Especially if another wheel is already being built just a few blocks away.

Build something like what?

^Apartments are the only thing supporting new construction these days, except for purpose-built corporate construction projects like BJC, RGA, WWT, or Centene. Since no corporations seem to be sniffing around Downtown, an apartment building seems like the best bet.

wabash wrote:^Apartments are the only thing supporting new construction these days, except for purpose-built corporate construction projects like BJC, RGA, WWT, or Centene. Since no corporations seem to be sniffing around Downtown, an apartment building seems like the best bet.

The site seems pretty small. I wonder what type of apartment building could be built there and if it would make financial sense. I imagine, if a developer were to build a new construction apartment building, there would need to be parking included. A new apartment building at that site may be too expensive.

The site is plenty big. It could fit a mid-rise (like The Euclid) or a high-rise (like The Park East), both of which include parking.

If the Mike Shannon's building is demoed and a high rise rises in its place, it would look great there. Then the lot next door to Busch Stadium to the East could get built on. But I only see these starting if Ballpark Village begins


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wabash wrote:The site is plenty big. It could fit a mid-rise (like The Euclid) or a high-rise (like The Park East), both of which include parking.

Well in that case, it could be a pretty nice site for residential or office. Anything but a ferris wheel.