I was not aware of any agreement. source?
I've seen it mentioned too, but I think just here. Not sure I've seen a source for it.moorlander wrote:I was not aware of any agreement. source?
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^ A high level employee made mention of it to me.... however, I have no idea of its extent and/or enforceability. It makes sense that they'd want to have some discussion with Cordish/Cards before making the multi-million $$ investment.
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I know Alex has been waiting on renderings of this project for a while.dbInSouthCity wrote:(Bet the guys over at nextstl are losing their mind that they aren't on top of any of this)
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he should keep refreshing his inbox, i would imagine by end of the month version 1.0 will be out.Presbyterian wrote:I know Alex has been waiting on renderings of this project for a while.dbInSouthCity wrote:(Bet the guys over at nextstl are losing their mind that they aren't on top of any of this
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OH GOD OH GOD @DB GOD BLESS YOU I HAVE BEEN AWAITING THIS FOREVER. MAY YOUR WILDEST DREAMS COME TRUE.
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^ In your case. you really have been waiting for this your whole life! If you're 16 now or whatever, talk of a mixed-use BPV has been around since you were a toddler!
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Im so torn. This is awesome for BPV and downtown but will all this momentum shift to BPV erode Washington even further. I worry without a big new project on Washington BPV could really put a dent in 10 years of investment by all of its residents. Same old worries. . .sorry.
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how would more development south of downtown, hurt Washington ave? I could understand if there is bar over saturation, but real meaningful development hurt.I think it would only help all of downtown, since its mostly a dead-zone around the southern half of downtown.
A BPV multifamily project is not even the same product as all of the other sites downtown. The units overlooking the ballpark will be in a class by themselves. This is only a good thing for all parts of downtown.
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^ I agree rounding out BPV with residential, maybe even a hotel, should help everybody. Office as well if it ever gets in. I suppose if there is a significant amount of additional bars/restaurant it could hurt Wash Ave a bit. But also a Phase II won't be up by time Arcade-Wright is done, which should give some more activity to NoMa, including Wash Ave. And BPV's success gives Wash Ave owners an opportunity/push to develop into something a bit more sophisticated. And getting another hit restaurant would help. They'll just have to figure it out on how to successfully distinguish the district... along with the Laclede's Landing folks.
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Ok cool those comment easy my worries. My only thought was currently BPV is taking its toll on wash ave and more development would take even a bigger toll. I hope you guys are right
Something interesting from Ballpark Village website:
Ballpark Village will be the first master planned and fully integrated sports anchored development in the United States. To be built in multiple phases, Ballpark Village will have Entertainment, Retail, Restaurants, Residential, Parking, and Hotel elements. Once completed, Ballpark Village will be well over $750 Million in total development.
http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/futur ... fWb7e.dpuf
No mention of office space....maybe the focus has shifted to residential, entertainment, and hotels. Smart move, I guess the Dewitts most have done the market analysis and realized that actually building a "village" is their best bet.
Ballpark Village will be the first master planned and fully integrated sports anchored development in the United States. To be built in multiple phases, Ballpark Village will have Entertainment, Retail, Restaurants, Residential, Parking, and Hotel elements. Once completed, Ballpark Village will be well over $750 Million in total development.
http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/futur ... fWb7e.dpuf
No mention of office space....maybe the focus has shifted to residential, entertainment, and hotels. Smart move, I guess the Dewitts most have done the market analysis and realized that actually building a "village" is their best bet.
FWIW, Bill Dewitt III was on The Morning After on 9/26 (audio ). I know this is hardly breaking news but he does address future development, including the possibility of a business tenant. A summary:
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- He talks about addressing the cellphone connectivity issues/adding WiFi access points in the park.
Discusses PBV's positive impact on their attendance; doesn't know exact numbers but it's positive. Said numbers in BPV have been 'great'.
Talked about the strategy of developing events' such as concerts and movie showings to draw folks to downtown on non-gamedays.
Acknowledged their restaurants and bars have had some impact on other businesses in the vicinity. Hoped that the events they're planning in the offseason bring people into town who would also patronize those establishments.
At roughly the 6:10 mark he was asked if they have 'any plans in the future to build more structures on that Ballpark Village land'. He said: 'we'd love to'. Strategy for development is for additional structures whether it's residential or office or additional retail.
'Right now we're just trying to get operationaly squared away on the first phase but in the next year or so we're going to take a real hard look at what's possible.
'Obviously to do a big office tower you need an anchor tenant. Right now we don't have one. But over the last 6-7 years I've been working on this thing several of them have come and gone and if any of them had come when we were already done like we are now we'd have been able to land them.'
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Dewitt has become a master of saying a lot without really saying anything at all.
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I'm a little shocked it wasn't more packed. I know the crowds pre and post game were crazy, but I assumed it would be closer to what it was for the USA soccer games than it was in the video.
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^ I think a lot of people assumed it would be packed and didn't bother going down there. i know i did
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It's looks pretty crowded to me. I'm sure the shooting didn't help.
We supported a local business elsewhere in the city and went to Field House down by Grand Center. Big garage doors open on a beautiful day: it was perfect.dbInSouthCity wrote:^ I think a lot of people assumed it would be packed and didn't bother going down there. i know i did
http://www.fieldhousestl.com/
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Went to BPV last night to watch a bit of the hockey game. I was told by the waiter at the Brew House, that all beer prices have been increased by a $1 over the price listed on the menu for the duration of the Cardinals' playoff run. $8.50 for a pint of Goose Island! Doubt I will be back anytime soon.
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In other news, I went to Paddy O's before Monday's game, and they're now charging $5 for beers - I believe that's lower than what they used to charge.
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so overpriced by $3 compared to South City....ill stick to watching games at Southtown Pub with my $12 buckets (6pack)debaliviere wrote:In other news, I went to Paddy O's before Monday's game, and they're now charging $5 for beers - I believe that's lower than what they used to charge.
Much lower. For years Paddy O's pretty much charged almost the same prices as inside the ballpark.debaliviere wrote:In other news, I went to Paddy O's before Monday's game, and they're now charging $5 for beers - I believe that's lower than what they used to charge.