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Updated rendering. The colors are more modern than the typical brick color they've used before. Plans are available on the SLDC Planroom.

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Oct 15, 2020

Updated rendering. The colors are more modern than the typical brick color they've used before. Plans are available on the SLDC Planroom.

Unfortunate that they got rid of 1/2 of the windows along DeBaliviere and 1/3 of the windows along Pershing - creating a lot more street facing blank brick wall. They also got rid of the building's balconies. A bit surprising considering from the 4th, 5th and 6th floors you'd probably have nice views of Art Hill and World's Fair Pavilion and balcony units could go for a premium. 

The upper sections look similar to prior renderings, but the darker brick of the corner retail could be an improvement. The shiny black brick The Euclid used turned out pretty well.

wabash wrote: ↑

Oct 15, 2020

Unfortunate that they got rid of 1/2 of the windows along DeBaliviere and 1/3 of the windows along Pershing - creating a lot more street facing blank brick wall. They also got rid of the building's balconies. A bit surprising considering from the 4th, 5th and 6th floors you'd probably have nice views of Art Hill and World's Fair Pavilion and balcony units could go for a premium. 

The upper sections look similar to prior renderings, but the darker brick of the corner retail could be an improvement. The shiny black brick The Euclid used turned out pretty well.

Those were never real windows in the first place. The original rendering showed display cases along the sidewalk next to the garage. I would rather they provide planters to break up the blank wall than fake windows, which don't really accomplish anything but drive up construction and insurance costs. I don't understand why they got rid of the storefront awnings though.

Also, I like the brick contrast in that rendering, but the brick around the base is much lighter in reality, unfortunately. This is what the architectural drawings indicate:



So, it's the same brick, just different mortar color, and I'm not sure in what universe that darker mortar color is "black"...

The 1/2 blank wall on Debaliviere is disappointing. It kind of bookends itself. The dialysis place next door is ripe for a similar redevelopment with a continuation of the retail corridor.

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:The 1/2 blank wall on Debaliviere is disappointing. It kind of bookends itself. The dialysis place next door is ripe for a similar redevelopment with a continuation of the retail corridor.

Yeah, I doubt that Dialysis place stays more than 5 more years.


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I often wonder about Crossroads' parking lots. 

framer wrote:I often wonder about Crossroads' parking lots. 

I’ve heard rumors that they’re looking to sell that lot to a developer. That was before they were hurt by COVID


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About a decade ago, the parcel on the west side of DeBaliviere was supposed to become the arts wing of the school with a designated theater and classrooms. There were talks about building a walkway over the street that would connect the old with the new. More recently, an enclosed turf soccer field was planned there, but those ambitions amounted to nothing as well. If there was a development on those lots, they'd have to designate about 100 or so parking spots for students and faculty because those lots are at capacity on school days. Not sure what people would do while it was under construction. Some of the buildings just north of the campus are still vacant to my knowledge. What an up and coming location for a school.

What did they do when the lots was used for Trolley construction?

Walkway over the street? Astonishing how much money we waste/consider wasting because of cars.

They did a majority of the construction on that part of the trolley during the summer of 16' if I remember correctly. The walkway over the street was more of a safety measure for the kids that would've had classes in the art wing. They recently put a pedestrian crossing light, but I've been almost hit several times by cars not stopping for it.

That stretch of DeBaliviere and all the way down to Delmar and then over and up Goodfellow can get scary.  Cars fly, run the stop lights, and pass each other in the opposite lanes.  Some of my scariest driving and walking experiences in St. Louis have all happened in that area.

I've seen jaydrivers ignore red lights too. The greenway on the east, the dearth of CITY buildings on the west, and the lack of intersections with Kingsbury, McPherson, and Waterman (east side) contribute to a highway feel on DeB despite the road diet. I wonder if getting rid of the center turn lane and putting street parking on the east side would help slow cars and reduce thneed for off street parking. Lack of a sidewalk at the curb is a problem for that idea though.

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Oct 17, 2020

wabash wrote: ↑

Oct 15, 2020

Unfortunate that they got rid of 1/2 of the windows along DeBaliviere and 1/3 of the windows along Pershing - creating a lot more street facing blank brick wall. 

Those were never real windows in the first place. The original rendering showed display cases along the sidewalk next to the garage. 

So these weren't windows? 

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Oct 25, 2020

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Oct 17, 2020

wabash wrote: ↑

Oct 15, 2020

Unfortunate that they got rid of 1/2 of the windows along DeBaliviere and 1/3 of the windows along Pershing - creating a lot more street facing blank brick wall. 

Those were never real windows in the first place. The original rendering showed display cases along the sidewalk next to the garage. 

So these weren't windows? 

No, those were just illuminated glass cases for art, posters, etc. set into the wall. Like this, but not as deep:



The whole first floor of the building is a parking garage except for that corner retail space and a small lobby/office just to the right of it.

Sizable hole and some work being done in it...

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I see that the crane base is in place.

They still don't have a building permit