310 DeBaliviere Hudson

beer city · PostDec 07, 2019#12019-12-07T20:04+00:00

From the preservation board agenda - The old Riddles - Finally a demolition that I can live with

5637 PERSHING AVENUE/310 DeBALIVIERE AVENUE

Project Description: Construct commercial/residential building w/rooftop pool, ground level retail & amenity space, basement parking, 150 apartments. Jurisdiction: Central West End Historic District Ward: 26

framer · PostDec 07, 2019#22019-12-07T20:27+00:00

^Very interesting. I had seen that, but thought it was the project planned on the Metro Park & Ride lot across the street.

wabash · PostDec 07, 2019#32019-12-07T20:29+00:00

I think Talayna’s.

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chriss752 · PostDec 07, 2019#42019-12-07T21:35+00:00

Yes. This is the Talayna's parcel. The developer can be traced back to STL Citywide, who did Tribeca and is working on Chelsea.

framer · PostDec 07, 2019#52019-12-07T21:40+00:00

^Let's hope they come up with a more exciting design for this one. BTW, 150 units sounds like a lot for this site unless it's gonna stretch all the way to Waterman.

chriss752 · PostDec 09, 2019#62019-12-09T06:26+00:00

I’ve seen the design. In my opinion, it will be a great addition to this stretch.

Between this, the Pearl Company project, and the Dorze, Debaliviere will have 490 new apartments added in the last few years as well as thousands of square feet of new and renovated retail space.

Could Debaliviere be a great corridor again?

debaliviere · PostDec 09, 2019#72019-12-09T14:49+00:00

beer city wrote: ↑
Dec 07, 2019
From the preservation board agenda - The old Riddles - Finally a demolition that I can live with

5637 PERSHING AVENUE/310 DeBALIVIERE AVENUE

Project Description: Construct commercial/residential building w/rooftop pool, ground level retail & amenity space, basement parking, 150 apartments. Jurisdiction: Central West End Historic District Ward: 26

Great news! That was Redel's, BTW.

hebeters2 · PostDec 09, 2019#82019-12-09T15:50+00:00

delete

symphonicpoet · PostDec 10, 2019#92019-12-10T04:01+00:00

^Burger Chef? Now that's a bona fide piece of history! . . . That they are welcome to demolish for something more worthwhile.

framer · PostDec 10, 2019#102019-12-10T17:58+00:00

The site today:

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostDec 10, 2019#112019-12-10T19:22+00:00

I wouldn't be surprised to see a hotel proposal for DeBaliviere popping up. Location seems like it would be ideal for family tourists.

framer · PostDec 13, 2019#122019-12-13T07:07+00:00

Very disappointed with this design.

chriss752 · PostDec 13, 2019#132019-12-13T07:09+00:00

It adds density, removes a parking lot on Pershing, has no new curb cuts on Pershing or Debaliviere, and it has a retail space at the corner. I think the final product will look better than the rendering. VE Design Group uses a cheap rendering software.

framer · PostDec 13, 2019#142019-12-13T20:19+00:00

The project is great. I just wish it featured a more modern design, similar to what the folks across the street are doing.

Elek.borrelli · PostDec 13, 2019#152019-12-13T22:26+00:00

How will this building be oriented? Will the longer side face DeBaliviere or Pershing? Also, when is the development across the street supposed to break ground? It was supposed to begin construction by the end of 2019, but the businesses in the strip mall are still open with no sign of them closing soon.

chriss752 · PostDec 13, 2019#162019-12-13T22:33+00:00

Elek.borrelli wrote: ↑
Dec 13, 2019
How will this building be oriented? Will the longer side face DeBaliviere or Pershing? Also, when is the development across the street supposed to break ground? It was supposed to begin construction by the end of 2019, but the businesses in the strip mall are still open with no sign of them closing soon.

The rendering you all see is looking at the building from catty-corner across the street. The Debaliviere side will have a half street frontage of retail space.

Pearl's project could begin in the Spring. I emailed Jeff today about it to see if he has an update, I haven't heard back yet.

wabash · PostDec 13, 2019#172019-12-13T23:11+00:00

framer wrote:The project is great. I just wish it featured a more modern design, similar to what the folks across the street are doing.

Agreed. Good project for a lot of reasons, but with the size of the lot and number of units proposed I figured it’d be something taller and more poured concrete construction than wood frame. I suppose it was unrealistic to expect anything other than another Tribeca or Chelsea. Maybe this one will be the “Hell’s Kitchen”?

chriss752 · PostDec 13, 2019#182019-12-13T23:13+00:00

This one is called Hudson.

urbanitas · PostDec 13, 2019#192019-12-13T23:38+00:00

chriss752 wrote: ↑
Dec 13, 2019
This one is called Hudson.

And the next one will be the East River?

PostDec 13, 2019#202019-12-13T23:40+00:00

framer wrote: ↑
Dec 13, 2019
The project is great. I just wish it featured a more modern design, similar to what the folks across the street are doing.

Yeah, about the only thing that saves this design a bit is the one-story retail base. If it wasn't for that, this would look way too much like a suburban suites or extended stay hotel.

Also, curious as to where the parking for this is going to be. I assume it will be behind the retail, but that wouldn't seem to provide the number of spaces these guys usually want.

framer · PostDec 14, 2019#212019-12-14T02:40+00:00

VE Design Group has done quite a few projects around town (including The Chelsea down the street, The Barton in Clayton, the Piazza on West Pine, and Choma 2 in the Grove), and they mostly all seem to follow the same pattern. Their one exception would be The Steelyard in Soulard.

http://vedesigngroup.com/projects/

chriss752 · PostDec 14, 2019#222019-12-14T06:27+00:00

urbanitas wrote: ↑
Dec 13, 2019
chriss752 wrote: ↑
Dec 13, 2019
This one is called Hudson.
And the next one will be the East River?

I know the next one, but I am not in the position to tell its name, size or where it will be. What I can say is that it will not be called East River.

framer · PostDec 14, 2019#232019-12-14T17:28+00:00

^I'm hoping for something tall and shiny on the triangular parking lot at Union and Forest Park Pkwy.

urban_dilettante · PostDec 14, 2019#242019-12-14T19:11+00:00

urbanitas wrote: ↑
Dec 13, 2019
chriss752 wrote: ↑
Dec 13, 2019
This one is called Hudson.
And the next one will be the East River?

"The New York City Municipal Solid Waste Landfill" has a nice ring to it.

chriss752 · PostDec 16, 2019#252019-12-16T01:32+00:00

The next project is not in the neighborhood.

More details will be made public sometime this week regarding this project. Maybe even a timeline.