Seeing the rehab patterns here in TGS and Shaw, I'm wondering how much of that drop was a function of former 4 families getting converted to 2 families, and 2 families to single family dwellings, etc.
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^ Certainly a fair amount, but I think a lot of it last decade was older folks retiring or passing away and the more marginal losing their homes or being driven out (the latter moreso in Shaw than TGS). The amount of vacant housing units in 2010 actually grew from 2000, and the great recession certainly took its toll. But the good news is that if we make good progress in filling them up we can still grow a fair amount even without new construction and smallish average household size.
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yeah, i think "growing" was a poor choice of words. those neighborhoods all feel more activated to me than they did 10 or 15 years ago, though. And they all seem to have a considerable amount of rehab activity going on (probably of the flat-to-single-family variety that andrew mentioned).roger wyoming II wrote:I lifted this comment by urban_dilettante from another thread over here:
» Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:21 pm
^ there may be a few more. seems like Shaw, Tower Grove South and Southampton are all growing, for example. any others?
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^ definitely.... more investment and activity. TGS compared to Shaw though, in part b/c it is larger geographically and has a wider stock of housing types, retains more racial and socio-economic diversity while Shaw pretty much is flat out gentrifying and losing its diversity,
by PeterXCV » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:37 am
It's difficult to find an entire page on the city's website devoted to the definitions but they do so here on the city's 2010 census results page http://dynamic.stlouis-mo.gov/census/corridor.cfm . Central Corridor neighborhoods are Skinker Debaliviere, Debaliviere Place, Wydown Skinker, the Dogtown neighborhoods, Kings Oak, FPSE, Botanical/Mcree Town, Tiffany, Gate District, CWE, MIdtown, Grand Center, Laffayette Square, Peabody-Darst Webbe, Lasalle and Downtown/Downtown West.
^ brought over from another thread
I agree with the sentiment that it seems that say Lafayette Square and The Gate are considered Central Corridor but not Columbus Park or Carr Square which are just a couple blocks to WashAve. Seems like if Delmar is the divide with the North Corridor, then either I-64 or Chouteau/Manchester should be the boundary for the South Corridor and not i-44/55. Not sure though the city's designation impacts actual planning/funding etc.
It's difficult to find an entire page on the city's website devoted to the definitions but they do so here on the city's 2010 census results page http://dynamic.stlouis-mo.gov/census/corridor.cfm . Central Corridor neighborhoods are Skinker Debaliviere, Debaliviere Place, Wydown Skinker, the Dogtown neighborhoods, Kings Oak, FPSE, Botanical/Mcree Town, Tiffany, Gate District, CWE, MIdtown, Grand Center, Laffayette Square, Peabody-Darst Webbe, Lasalle and Downtown/Downtown West.
^ brought over from another thread
I agree with the sentiment that it seems that say Lafayette Square and The Gate are considered Central Corridor but not Columbus Park or Carr Square which are just a couple blocks to WashAve. Seems like if Delmar is the divide with the North Corridor, then either I-64 or Chouteau/Manchester should be the boundary for the South Corridor and not i-44/55. Not sure though the city's designation impacts actual planning/funding etc.
There certainly is a difference in race with the lower central corridor/near southside neighborhoods as compared with the north city neighborhoods that border the central corridor (see statistics at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborh ... _St._Louis) as in the 'whitest' near northside neighborhood of West End is 8.1%, still lower than Peabody/Darst Webbe at 10.3%. It makes me wonder if race played a role with the city drawing up these distinctions when they were made however long ago.
On a related note I'm curious about what the 2020 census will have to say about the near southside in terms of race. If you look at the racial demographics of the city there's clearly a band (with Lafayette being the exception) of black-majority neighborhoods between Chouteau and I-44 and frankly I wonder how much longer that will be the case. It's difficult to say if this is positive (integration/redevelopment) vs. negative (gentrification/urban renewal) but it doesn't seem unlikely to me that Botanical Heights and FPSE will not be majority black by 2020 and that it's a matter of time before something similar happens in The Gate District and Tiffany (Darst Webbe and Lasalle being less influenced due to public housing).
On a related note I'm curious about what the 2020 census will have to say about the near southside in terms of race. If you look at the racial demographics of the city there's clearly a band (with Lafayette being the exception) of black-majority neighborhoods between Chouteau and I-44 and frankly I wonder how much longer that will be the case. It's difficult to say if this is positive (integration/redevelopment) vs. negative (gentrification/urban renewal) but it doesn't seem unlikely to me that Botanical Heights and FPSE will not be majority black by 2020 and that it's a matter of time before something similar happens in The Gate District and Tiffany (Darst Webbe and Lasalle being less influenced due to public housing).
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^ I think that's all spot on. Certainly the renewed interest in these nabes is needed and a good thing but on the other hand the massive movement of blacks out of these neighborhoods is concerning and something that needs to be addressed. With Tiffany, I can also see the new hospital being a significant driver for renewed interest in that nabe and potentially for the The Gate District (which to me is one of the oddest in our city.)
2015 population estimates for Counties (including STL City) will be out any day now... any predictions? I say steady as she goes, with slight loss in the City and slight gain in the County. Biggest gain in St. Chuck's.
Age, sex, race breakdown will be released in June.... if pattern holds there it will show more whites and fewer blacks in the city and more blacks and fewer whites in the county. And slight increase in Hispanics & Asians in both.
Age, sex, race breakdown will be released in June.... if pattern holds there it will show more whites and fewer blacks in the city and more blacks and fewer whites in the county. And slight increase in Hispanics & Asians in both.
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St.Louis City will be neutral and County will have slight gain St. Charles county moderate gains
Even if the city has no gains, it will probably have higher incomes. And be white plurality, which might start to change the calculus of regional cooperation.
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^ hard to say if the City overall will have income levels above what we might expect as a reflection of overall national and regional economic growth. Certainly there are parts of our City that are seeing some serious new money, but at the same time other parts continue to face serious challenges and disinvestment.
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-re ... 16-44.html
Will be released to public on Thursday, March 24th.
Will be released to public on Thursday, March 24th.
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I guess I'm just realizing this, but the "Clayco East Loop: 14-Story Apartment Proposal" will be in St. Louis City population... that would be 200+ people if they fill that building.
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^ results to vary depending on where they are moving from. But it should add 200+ to the West End neighborhood as it's unlikely many of the residents will come from there.
More like 400pattimagee wrote:I guess I'm just realizing this, but the "Clayco East Loop: 14-Story Apartment Proposal" will be in St. Louis City population... that would be 200+ people if they fill that building.
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I'm going to go with another slight loss for the city and another slight gain for the county. But I wouldn't be surprised by a slight gain for the city and slight loss for the county.addxb2 wrote:http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-re ... 16-44.html
Will be released to public on Thursday, March 24th.
Census projections have the city taking a sharp turn for the worst, now at 315,685
also 4 homicides today. Keep bringing the good news.
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also 4 homicides today. Keep bringing the good news.
What an ass.
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Yael Abouhalkah.
Yael Abouhalkah.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/2016/03 ... /82186278/quincunx wrote:Not seeing new numbers on the census website.
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Any figures on HH Income and % with Higher Education?addxb2 wrote:Census projections have the city taking a sharp turn for the worst, now at 315,685
also 4 homicides today. Keep bringing the good news.
In all honesty, St. Louis will continue to fade as a region until there is some real kind of unification between the city and county. There is no excuse that cities like Nashville and Indianapolis should be growing way faster than St. Louis. The region's performance has been pathetic. Only places doing worse than St. Louis are Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, and Pittsburgh. Not exactly who we want to be associated with. Even places like Baltimore and New Orleans are higher growing regions....its pathetic.