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PostJun 08, 2016#326

While having its share of problems, the Metro East is a wonderful place to live. You're part of and have easy access to a major American city while each town still maintains its own character and purpose. In many ways it's still small town Midwest.

However, the state of Illinois is a dumpster fire, ruled by corrupt and incompetent politicians from Chicago who don't realize or care about anything south of Kankakee. Outside of commuting to St. Louis, the employment prospects have been increasingly bleak. Historically the river bottom communities were industrial towns built around certain factories, and those continue to shut down (Granite City Steel, Olin Brass just recently). Otherwise, there's pockets of strong economy. Scott Air Force Base and the emerging corporate/logistics center in Edwardsville are bright spots. The bluff communities have done a better job of transitioning from their old economies (coal, agriculture) to bedroom communities, but many of them have built-in advantages: County seat and colleges in Edwardsville and Belleville, Collinsville offers easily the best access to St. Louis outside the struggling river bottom communities.

But outside of Edwardsville and O'Fallon, the other bluff communities have the vibe and feel of other communities of similar size in Illinois (thinking of Quincy, Mt. Vernon, Jacksonville, Carbondale): A truly suburban feel in the literal sense that merges urban conveniences with plenty of tractor supply stores. Also, like these other communities, there's a lot of old blood in the Metro East. My family, for example, has lived in Collinsville since my great great grandfather came over from Lithuania in 1890 to work in the coal mines. We've attended the same church and school for 100 years. You go to the local diner on any morning of the week and you'll see the same faces, and are guaranteed to run into an old classmate or family friend. Like I said, in many ways it's small town Midwest, and that's what I love about it. That's what makes the Metro East home to me. But that also poses a challenge because it makes these communities resistant to change or difficult to adapt to change when forced upon them. Residents are scared to embrace growth because they don't want to turn into another faceless suburban area like the county. But this also discourages smart growth.



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PostJun 08, 2016#327

Fewer jobs downtown and along the west side of river, while more creep west isn't helping either.

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PostJun 22, 2016#328

New to this site and read through a couple pages on here. I have a few questions if others could help me out.

1. I live in the city (dogtown) and I always see articles about residental going in downtown and CWE, etc. If those areas are gaining residents where is the city losing so many residents? Is it mainly north city? Are there any maps out there that show population density across the city for different years?

2. I grew up in a small town outside of Alton but have lived on the missouri side (county and city) for the last 8 years. I also have wondered why the Metro doesn't get more play from people. I would move to Edwardsville/Glen Carbon/Fairview once I am ready to settle down in a heartbeat if my other halfs job wasn't out further west. Working downtown it is a short drive and it makes more sense then going east than west for commuting time reasons. I never really understood why people are moving more to St Peters/O'fallon, MO areas than just across the river. Maybe it is because many of those people work further west than downtown. I love the east side and feel like people on the Missouri side just never cross the river even though there are great things on the other side of the river. I had to have Illinois days on the weekends just to show my girlfriend how much there is to do over there. I didn't really ask a question here but I just wondered peoples input on it since it was discussed earlier in this thread.

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PostJun 22, 2016#329

jshank83 wrote:New to this site and read through a couple pages on here. I have a few questions if others could help me out.

1. I live in the city (dogtown) and I always see articles about residental going in downtown and CWE, etc. If those areas are gaining residents where is the city losing so many residents? Is it mainly north city? Are there any maps out there that show population density across the city for different years?

2. I grew up in a small town outside of Alton but have lived on the missouri side (county and city) for the last 8 years. I also have wondered why the Metro doesn't get more play from people. I would move to Edwardsville/Glen Carbon/Fairview once I am ready to settle down in a heartbeat if my other halfs job wasn't out further west. Working downtown it is a short drive and it makes more sense then going east than west for commuting time reasons. I never really understood why people are moving more to St Peters/O'fallon, MO areas than just across the river. Maybe it is because many of those people work further west than downtown. I love the east side and feel like people on the Missouri side just never cross the river even though there are great things on the other side of the river. I had to have Illinois days on the weekends just to show my girlfriend how much there is to do over there. I didn't really ask a question here but I just wondered peoples input on it since it was discussed earlier in this thread.

1. https://nextstl.com/2011/02/the-exodus- ... 2000-2010/ At least the 2010 census it was down everywhere except the central corridor.

2. Not sure why the divide personally. Other then going to Alton every once in a while I never have a need to go over to Metro East in general.

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PostJun 23, 2016#330

Yes, the Northside continues to lose population, even as the Central Corridor is booming. Another point is that many of the rehabs going on in the City involve "downsizing"; that is, many two and four-family buildings are being converted into one and two-family buildings.

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PostJun 23, 2016#331

Thanks for the updates

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PostJun 23, 2016#332

I remember seeing that rehabs explained a lot of the losses in the city. Hasn't this been noted in some other cities where improving neighborhoods lose population due to rehabs in a sort of addition by subtraction scenario? Since it also tends to involve higher income and more educated people moving into said rehabs.

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PostJun 23, 2016#333

I can see that point and it makes sense. Although, to me a lot of the rehabs, at least downtown, have been on buildings that haven't ever been (or haven't in awhile) residential so there is no subraction before the addition. I am looking more over the last 10 years than going back 20 or more.

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PostJun 23, 2016#334

Take this with a grain of salt because we know the census estimates haven´t always been the most reliable but today they released their estimates of racial/gender composition for states and counties and if they´re right St. Louis will have a non-hispanic white plurality by 2020.

2010:
42.2% White Non-Hispanic
49.2% Black
2.9% Asian
3.5% Latino/Hispanic
2015:
44.0% White
46.9% Black
3.3% Asian
3.9% Latino

Full stats are available here: http://www.census.gov/popest/data/count ... PSR6H.html

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PostJun 24, 2016#335

^ When including hispanics in the racial self-identification classifications, whites already are the plurality.

PostSep 23, 2016#336

More refined Census data was released recently on race, income and a whole lot more with the 2015 American Community Survey

Seems like the recent census trends are mostly continuing; both the city and county gaining hispanic, asian and foreign born population (metro increased foreign-born population at highest rate of the 20 largest metros) but having divergent paths on black-white population... increase in whites and decrease in blacks in the city and vice-versa in the county.

Good news for the City is a jump in incomes and considerable decrease in poverty rate, especially for blacks; County had an income jump but also an increase in poverty rate. City had a drop of about 10,000 people in poverty and the County a jump of about 10,000.

Lots of great Missouri County data here if you want to play around
http://census.missouri.edu/acs/profiles/

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PostSep 23, 2016#337

^ One statistic that really struck me was under "residence one year ago" where 53.9% of people that had moved within the last year moved from another residence inside city limits. That equates to 10% of the population. Transience and housing insecurity are issues STL needs to address in order to fully solve problems such as educational disparities and high crime rates.

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PostSep 23, 2016#338

^ that's an interesting stat and I wonder how that might compare to previous years and what's all behind it. I agree housing insecurity is a huge issue but otoh I think there are some largely good things behind the numbers as well... for example just purely anecdotally from my personal experience but I've had three instances of neighbors here in TGS move within the city in the past year...

the first was two young renters moving over to the more affordable Cherokee Street area with a rent increase coming (that's a mixed outcome, I guess, but wasn't really a distress situation for the two involved), the second was a homeowner couple rehabbing a house in Dutchtown (and will be selling their TGS one) and finally a young couple with baby in tow that bought a house and moved over from a rental down the street.

So some definite posititives going on in at least part of those numbers. But I agree there likely is a lot of less positive cases involved in that stat.

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PostSep 23, 2016#339

^ There is also likely a number of cases of someone moving in from out of the area needed to find a place fast and then moved again once they got settled in here and could look more closely at places.

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PostOct 02, 2016#340

I find the subject of race to be a deeply fascinating human construct... I can't recall if it's been mentioned before on this thread, but the Census is weighing whether to add a new racial classification for people of North African and Middle Eastern descent for the 2020 Census.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/ ... /22603649/

Such a change could have a big impact on some metros like Detroit, where possibly even things like congressional district boundaries could change. And even while probably not as big of an impact here here, it still would be very interesting to see how racial break-down numbers would change.

PostJan 18, 2017#341

Didn't quite realize this until looking at some data today, but the Census estimates that the city saw a slight gain in the 18+ population between 2010 and 2015... that's a pretty hopeful note If we can improve upon that growth a bit more (which I think we are), as well as do a bit better with retaining families, (which again I think is happening at lease in parts of the city), we should see at least modest annual growth pretty soon.

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PostJan 18, 2017#342

^ Where you seeing that? The quick facts census page shows the city 2015 estimate at 315k while 2010 was 319k while it shows the county gained 5k in the same period

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PostJan 18, 2017#343

joelo wrote:
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^ Where you seeing that? The quick facts census page shows the city 2015 estimate at 315k while 2010 was 319k while it shows the county gained 5k in the same period
He's talking about an age specific growth, not overall.

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PostJan 18, 2017#344

^ wow I read his post way too fast and feel like an idiot. I'll leave up my post for future enjoyment

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PostMar 23, 2017#345

StlToday - Census: St. Louis region didn't grow in 2016
The region had about 2.81 million people last year — down a little more than 1,000 people — holding the spot as the 20th largest metro area in the country. The Census estimates the St. Louis area has grown by nearly 20,000 people since 2010. Among the 25 largest metro areas, that rate of growth is above only Detroit’s.
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PostMar 23, 2017#346

The estimates also show STL City lost 1.1%. The largest percentage decrease of a county in the US.

This is what happens when leaders are incapable of handling the crime problem.


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PostMar 23, 2017#347

The population of the city of St. Louis continued to slide, falling to an estimated 311,400. St. Louis County’s population dipped below 1 million, to 998,600. Each dropped by more than 3,000 people. While both areas continue to see positive international migration numbers, overall more people are moving out than in.

Across the state, in the Kansas City area, Jackson County added more than 5,400 people in 2016. The county has grown by more than 17,600 people since 2010, the Census Bureau projects. The Kansas City metro area as a whole has grown by an estimated 95,000 people since 2010, the largest portion of which came across the state line in Johnson County, Kan.
Maybe if we merged the city and the 90 or so cities in the suburbs of the County we would have a large electorate and taxing district. Maybe we could pool resources and become a unified region. Until then...

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PostMar 23, 2017#348

Mark Groth wrote:
The population of the city of St. Louis continued to slide, falling to an estimated 311,400. St. Louis County’s population dipped below 1 million, to 998,600. Each dropped by more than 3,000 people. While both areas continue to see positive international migration numbers, overall more people are moving out than in.

Across the state, in the Kansas City area, Jackson County added more than 5,400 people in 2016. The county has grown by more than 17,600 people since 2010, the Census Bureau projects. The Kansas City metro area as a whole has grown by an estimated 95,000 people since 2010, the largest portion of which came across the state line in Johnson County, Kan.
Maybe if we merged the city and the 90 or so cities in the suburbs of the County we would have a large electorate and taxing district. Maybe we could pool resources and become a unified region. Until then...
That won't fix our fundamental problems.


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PostMar 23, 2017#349

downtown2007 wrote:
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That won't fix our fundamental problems.
Freeing up resources sunk into fragmentation and focusing them more optimally would help.

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downtown2007 wrote:
Mar 23, 2017
Mark Groth wrote:
The population of the city of St. Louis continued to slide, falling to an estimated 311,400. St. Louis County’s population dipped below 1 million, to 998,600. Each dropped by more than 3,000 people. While both areas continue to see positive international migration numbers, overall more people are moving out than in.

Across the state, in the Kansas City area, Jackson County added more than 5,400 people in 2016. The county has grown by more than 17,600 people since 2010, the Census Bureau projects. The Kansas City metro area as a whole has grown by an estimated 95,000 people since 2010, the largest portion of which came across the state line in Johnson County, Kan.
Maybe if we merged the city and the 90 or so cities in the suburbs of the County we would have a large electorate and taxing district. Maybe we could pool resources and become a unified region. Until then...
That won't fix our fundamental problems.


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