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PostFeb 12, 2015#151

Anyone know when the 2014 population numbers come out? I feel like with all the development, the population had to at least stabilize.

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PostMar 10, 2015#152

^ The Census is scheduled to release the 2014 County population estimates (July 1, 2014) sometime this month.... any predictions?

I'm going out on a limb and say the City (independent County) will see a .1% projected increase with a slightly higher increase in Saint Louis County. St. Chuck's will continue to lead the region.

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PostMar 11, 2015#153

They have the numbers for the states and MO has grown by 18,000 from July 1 2013 to July 1 2014

from April 1 2010 to July 1 2014- 75,000 growth....

others of note- Illinois has lost 10,000 people since July 1 2013. :? (one of 5 states to lose people along with- Alaska, west Virginia, Connecticut ,new Mexico)

PostMar 20, 2015#154

march 26th is the release date for the county/city July 1 2014 estimate.

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PostMar 21, 2015#155

I'm not sure which of these are original vs. revised numbers, but here's the previous four years:

2010   319,257
2011   319,147
2012   319,112
2013   318,416

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PostMar 26, 2015#156

The estimate was for a loss of 1,077 in the city, which is a drop of 0.3% over 2013. Total population estimate is 317,419. County was stagnant and St. Chuck's grew 1.5%

http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tabl ... l?src=bkmk

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 399cc.html

Metro area overall was quite slow, 44th out the top 50 metros with growth at .1%. Here is a pretty cool overview of metro growth with a breakdown of domestic migration, international immigration, and natural change (births versus deaths)

http://graphics.stltoday.com/population-estimates-14/

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PostMar 26, 2015#157

brutal...

PostMar 26, 2015#158

basically the tide has sped up since july 1 2013 for the city's climb to the 300,000


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PostMar 26, 2015#160

^ I don't think the numbers are doom and gloom for the city.... obviously we need to improve but overall population counts are just one factor in how a city or region is doing. For the city, if the estimates are correct we no longer are bleeding people out and if these estimates hold for the decade we'll be above 310,000 and have just a modest drop. It also looks like we continue to do a bit better with immigration; at the neighborhood level, we'll see a lot of changes good and bad, but overall I think with loss in North City, strong gains in the Central Corridor and modest loss in South City. Probably fewer people overall but more wealth and diversity.

Minneapolis is a good example... it lost a few people over the course of the 00's but nobody really thought of that as being brutal. And if you want to see a region that likely is doing pretty well despite an overall population loss, look at the Pittsburgh metro. It actually lost people last year according to the estimates, yet if you look at what is going on it is because they had a lot of native geezers die and/or young people are not having enough babies.

I think we have the sexytime part down. So if we can do a bit better on our immigration numbers (like Twin Cities) and build our knowledge economy a bit faster (like Pittsburgh) we should be okay.

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PostMar 26, 2015#161

Not concerned by these figured. Basically the flow out if the city has gone from a firehose velocity to a trickle. It will eventually turn back up if we as a city keep working.

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PostMar 26, 2015#162

Crazy that while the Earth's population was doubling and while the population of the United States was also doubling at an unprecendeted rate there was a loss of half-million people or zero growth in the 66 square miles of this particular city.

The resounding almost global "no thank you" kind of stings. I just don't get what people find so repellant.

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PostMar 26, 2015#163

Does the 2014 estimate delve into demographics?

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PostMar 26, 2015#164

onecity wrote:Does the 2014 estimate delve into demographics?
not yet but it does have Natural vs migration

City actually lost 2834 people but we had 4601 births compared to 3038 deaths...soften the blow a bit
We also lost 4063 people domestically but gained 1229 immigrants....

so here is the math...from 7.01.2013 to 7.01.2014

city lost 4063 people
added 1229 immigrants
= net lose of = 2834
minus the 3038 that died
= net lose of= 5868
add 4601 births
= net lose of = 1267

PostMar 26, 2015#165

its much worse for 2010 to 7.01.2014

Natural-

birth 20,186
deaths- 12,652
+7534

migration
net lose of 14,042 domestically
add immigrants 4950
net lose of 9082

9082-7524= net lose of 1946

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PostMar 26, 2015#166

Saint Louis County also is estimated to have had more births than deaths and more immigrants, but a net loss in domestic migration. Overall a small growth of 385 souls.

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PostMar 26, 2015#167

downtown2007 wrote:Not concerned by these figured. Basically the flow out if the city has gone from a firehose velocity to a trickle. It will eventually turn back up if we as a city keep working.
you should be since april 2010 the city net migration domestically is MINUS 14,000... people having babies is the only thing thats softening the blow...

babies have no jobs, pay no earnings tax ect...the 14,000 that left probably had jobs

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PostMar 26, 2015#168

Let me clarify, I am not concerned with the city population figures because the trend is pointing in the right direction. In addition any experienced demographer will tell you that the best way to increase population is births.

The more concerning aspect is the trend of the STL regional population figures. Crash and burn.

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PostMar 26, 2015#169

Many growing cities and metros have net domestic migration loss... people shouldn't get too hung up on that category. Also, a good percentage of those 14,000 that left the city were indeed non-working children. Cities are the bullpens of the suburbs.

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PostMar 26, 2015#170

roger wyoming II wrote:Many growing cities and metros have net domestic migration loss... people shouldn't get too hung up on that category. Also, a good percentage of those 14,000 that left the city were indeed non-working children. Cities are the bullpens of the suburbs.
dont be silly Roger..any time a child leaves it usually takes 2 working adults..or at worse 2 kids/2 adults leave.

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PostMar 26, 2015#171

^ how is that silly? you inferred 14,000 hard working non-immigrant adults have left the City since 2010. That just isn't the case. Many of those are children. Others are retirees. As with last decade, it is very likely we have more people in the 18-64 population category while we have fewer in the under 18 and 65+ category.

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PostMar 26, 2015#172

The trend from the last census will probably continue. We will lose some people but overall wealth will increase. I would think that the people that are moving here are more likely to have a job than the ones moving away.

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PostMar 26, 2015#173

dbInSouthCity wrote:
roger wyoming II wrote:Many growing cities and metros have net domestic migration loss... people shouldn't get too hung up on that category.
Agreed. New York City had net domestic migration of -204,648 between April 1, 2010 and July 1, 2013, and it's doing just fine. All five boroughs had population increases during that time.

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PostMar 26, 2015#174

^ In fact, of the top 50 metros, 21 had a drop in net domestic migration. And that includes rapidly growing places like the Salt Lake City, Twin Cities, Boston and San Jose metros.

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PostMar 26, 2015#175

KC's growth of 2.85% is interesting. Good for them.

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