Where is smoking banned, but still allowed?

erina · PostDec 27, 2010#12010-12-27T15:23+00:00

Put them in this thread. Please. Especially if you know any on the south side.

Confirmed

Bastille in Soulard
La Rocca's - Khighway and Mardel
Rockin Gators - 9538 Gravois Affton
Playoff - Gravois and Dresden
Silver Ballroom - Morganford and Itaska
Mollys - Soulard
Nadines - Soulard
Nicks Pub - Manchester / Hampton
Truemans - Sidney and Lemp

warwickland · PostDec 27, 2010#22010-12-27T16:38+00:00

erina wrote:Put them in this thread. Please. Especially if you know any on the south side.

The smokers mecca is O'Malleys...I know smokers who won't go in there because it's too smoky, it's like something out of the 1950s.

Friendlys
Almost every small dive bar in South City.
Poohs Corner...well all of Carondelet...

Northside -
Mandinas ONSL
Johnnys ONSL
Greggs

boombox · PostDec 27, 2010#32010-12-27T17:17+00:00

I was thinking about posting a smoking ban thread. The Post had an article on it a few weeks ago and mentioned that not a single bar in the city had applied for a smoking ban exemption. That may have changed at this point but I've asked around at the bars I frequent and none of them will allow smoking after 1/2/11.

southsidepride · PostDec 27, 2010#42010-12-27T17:35+00:00

From what I understand any bar where food accounts for less than 25% of total sales can still allow smoking is this correct?

If that is the case pretty much any bar where the food menu consists of TJ's pizzas will likely still be smoky in Jan.

erina · PostDec 27, 2010#52010-12-27T19:21+00:00

Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. Confirmed smokeable bars after the ban. Edited the title to reflect that.

shadrach · PostDec 27, 2010#62010-12-27T19:52+00:00

The guys at the Silverleaf in South City — corner of Hereford and Potomac—told me you could still smoke.
'What smoking ban?' I think was the quote.

lukethedrifter · PostDec 27, 2010#72010-12-27T20:06+00:00

Bars that are 2,000 square feet or less, excluding the kitchen area, storage area and bathrooms, and whose food sales comprise less than 25 percent of the bar's gross revenue -- i.e. "incidental" food sales -- qualify for an exemption from the law. This is strictly a place for drinkin' and smokin', y'all!

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... d.php#more

erina · PostDec 27, 2010#82010-12-27T20:13+00:00

I get it. I already know about the regulations of the ban. I am specifically looking for bars that definitively allow smoking after Jan 2nd.

lukethedrifter · PostDec 27, 2010#92010-12-27T20:15+00:00

Then I'm guessing the answer is every Southside hoosier bar that meets the exclusionary criteria.

shadrach · PostDec 27, 2010#102010-12-27T20:35+00:00

also The Tin Cup on Bates (just west of Virginia/7-11)

the central scrutinizer · PostDec 27, 2010#112010-12-27T21:02+00:00

shadrach wrote:The guys at the Silverleaf in South City — corner of Hereford and Potomac—told me you could still smoke.
'What smoking ban?' I think was the quote.

I was in there once. I think I was the only person with a full set of teeth.

PostDec 27, 2010#122010-12-27T21:04+00:00

erina wrote:I get it. I already know about the regulations of the ban. I am specifically looking for bars that definitively allow smoking after Jan 2nd.

So you know which ones to avoid?

warwickland · PostDec 27, 2010#132010-12-27T23:45+00:00

shadrach wrote:The guys at the Silverleaf in South City — corner of Hereford and Potomac—told me you could still smoke.
'What smoking ban?' I think was the quote.

They also sometimes lock the door, and you have to be let in. Is that even a real bar? Sometimes I think it's a firefighters living room - obviously the smoking ban doesnt impact that.

steve · PostDec 28, 2010#142010-12-28T20:04+00:00

Area IV on Hampton would almost certainly qualify.

DogtownBnR · PostDec 28, 2010#152010-12-28T20:04+00:00

So you are telling me the South City dive bars I love to frequent are going to be more smokey than before. These establishments will attract smokers that would have stayed at the places they ate dinner at, but now have to find refuge in the corner bars that allow smoking!?! You thought dives were smokey before the ban!

Smokey South City taverns of note:
-Hilltop
-Stans (formerly Keiths)
-The Mack
-Columbo's
-Babe's
just to name a few...

Bart Harley Jarvis · PostDec 28, 2010#162010-12-28T20:08+00:00

Do we know what Blackthorn's food receipt % is?

the central scrutinizer · PostDec 28, 2010#172010-12-28T20:16+00:00

ricke002 wrote:Do we know what Blackthorn's food receipt % is?

Probably a lot > than 25%

PostDec 28, 2010#182010-12-28T20:17+00:00

DogtownBnR wrote:So you are telling me the South City dive bars I love to frequent are going to be more smokey than before. These establishments will attract smokers that would have stayed at the places they ate dinner at, but now have to find refuge in the corner bars that allow smoking!?! You thought dives were smokey before the ban!

Smokey South City taverns of note:
-Hilltop
-Stans (formerly Keiths)
-The Mack
-Columbo's
-Babe's
just to name a few...

Probably explains why I haven't been in either Babe's or The Hilltop in 20+ years.

DogtownBnR · PostDec 28, 2010#192010-12-28T21:47+00:00

^ Good thing. Your eyes burn the next day and you cough up junk from spending even a few hours at those places, if you are not a smoker or used to being around smokey places. They are fun places to have a few, but the secondhand smoke is just unbearable.
I can't wait until a complete, hardline ban is in place everywhere. I have smoked WAY too many secondhand cigs.

erina · PostDec 30, 2010#202010-12-30T03:08+00:00

Is there nowhere I can go next week to smoke and drink?

lukethedrifter · PostDec 30, 2010#212010-12-30T03:28+00:00

erina wrote:Is there nowhere I can go next week to smoke and drink?

I'm unsure how you got that out of this thread.

the central scrutinizer · PostDec 30, 2010#222010-12-30T04:07+00:00

erina wrote:Is there nowhere I can go next week to smoke and drink?

Alabama? Or are they more advanced than us?

DogtownBnR · PostDec 30, 2010#232010-12-30T16:44+00:00

^You can go to any South City corner bar that does not get more than 25% of it's revenue from food. In other words, you can still drink at 'drinking pubs', unfortunately.

Another Smokey bar that I like is 'The Bleeding Deacon'. That place is bad even with the door open. Great food though! Not sure how much revenue they get from food, but hopefully it is more than 25%.

PostDec 30, 2010#242010-12-30T17:13+00:00

Interesting article......

Tents to count as "enclosed space" for smoking ban exemptions
KWMU, 90.7 FM

ST. LOUIS (St. Louis Public Radio) - Bars in St. Louis that use tents to expand their seating area will have to include that space as they determine if they may be exempt from the city's smoking ban.

The Joint Board on Health and Hospitals on Thursday agreed with the health department's interpretation that tents should be considered enclosed spaces.

"If you have the potential to roll down the sides, it should be considered enclosed," said board member Will Ross, an associate dean at the Washington University School of Medicine.

--- Edit: This post shortened to reflect fair use. No posting complete articles. Thx, Mods.

stlcolleen · PostDec 31, 2010#252010-12-31T05:16+00:00

I think the big question that remains is the one of enforcement. Who is going to do it, and how can bars be held accountable? I'm skeptical to say the least. The next few weeks will be interesting to see how things begin to pan out. I didn't realize that bars that think they are exempt actually have to apply for a certificate of exemption. I wonder if they even know that? I think it's a good thing, but it all just seems a bit overly confusing. It will be interesting to see if anyone applies for an is actually denied an exemption.