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$177k building permit application submitted for 1400 Hebert for multi-fam renovation

Sump to open up a second location with the roasting operation in Old North

https://www.firstalert4.com/2024/08/27/ ... -facility/

Went by the most recent church that burned at 19th/Newhouse to see the damage. Up 19th, there was vacant land where in the last google maps update you can see were some beautiful row homes that were burned. Basically this whole block has been burned down in the last 10 years while not being occupied. Made me extremely sad.

Was thinking about how much we have lost in the Old North/St. Louis Place/Hyde Park. What stands out to me is losing now three large anchor brick churches - it really reminds you of the before pictures of Over the Rhine in Cincinnati where the large churches were abandoned and surrounded by decay. Somehow that whole area didn’t burn and get demolished like what seems to happen as soon as we have an abandoned building north of delmar around here. The O.T.R. buildings looked unsalvageable in the before pictures but somehow they were able to save them over the course of 10 years in a slow growth region neighborhood that had race riots and was considered one of the more dangerous in the country, certainly no safer than Old North and adjacent areas. Somehow a nonprofit real estate group brought the whole thing back to life in a big way. Blocks and blocks of historical rehab. Why didn’t this happen for our ON/HP/StL Pl? And why haven’t we learned since Cincy’s success?

I guess we gave it all to Paul McKee and wasted it away and Cincy trusted the right people. Idk. It’s just so mind boggling to see O.T.R. vs our preservation and investment in these neighborhoods.

Very proud of the work that the Old North group did and has done with rehabs and the 14th mall. Just wish that there would have been a massive swath of investment to follow it and save what would have made absolute gem out of these historic neighborhoods just 1-2 miles north of downtown.

Old North is my favorite StL neighborhood even without the full revitalization. I just want to see it be a premier destination and story of what cities can be.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Jan 23, 2025

Went by the most recent church that burned at 19th/Newhouse to see the damage. Up 19th, there was vacant land where in the last google maps update you can see were some beautiful row homes that were burned. Basically this whole block has been burned down in the last 10 years while not being occupied. Made me extremely sad.

Was thinking about how much we have lost in the Old North/St. Louis Place/Hyde Park. What stands out to me is losing now three large anchor brick churches - it really reminds you of the before pictures of Over the Rhine in Cincinnati where the large churches were abandoned and surrounded by decay. Somehow that whole area didn’t burn and get demolished like what seems to happen as soon as we have an abandoned building north of delmar around here. The O.T.R. buildings looked unsalvageable in the before pictures but somehow they were able to save them over the course of 10 years in a slow growth region neighborhood that had race riots and was considered one of the more dangerous in the country, certainly no safer than Old North and adjacent areas. Somehow a nonprofit real estate group brought the whole thing back to life in a big way. Blocks and blocks of historical rehab. Why didn’t this happen for our ON/HP/StL Pl? And why haven’t we learned since Cincy’s success?

I guess we gave it all to Paul McKee and wasted it away and Cincy trusted the right people. Idk. It’s just so mind boggling to see O.T.R. vs our preservation and investment in these neighborhoods.

Very proud of the work that the Old North group did and has done with rehabs and the 14th mall. Just wish that there would have been a massive swath of investment to follow it and save what would have made absolute gem out of these historic neighborhoods just 1-2 miles north of downtown.

Old North is my favorite StL neighborhood even without the full revitalization. I just want to see it be a premier destination and story of what cities can be.

I think the key is that the "nonprofit real estate group" is bankrolled by almost every big corporation with a HQ or major corporate presence in Cincy. Check out their board of directors here. P&G, University of Cincinnati, Kroger, Cintas, GE Aviation, Fifth Third Bank, and it just keeps going. Really remarkable support for revitalization of their urban core. How?

Agreed. So much of the 2000-2010s energy was on this near north, north of downtown framework. Florissant into Tucker or 14th is such an easy way to connect downtown. (Florissant, 14th, and Olive St are some that I'm hoping get major $$ Rams makeovers). 

There has definitely been some shift to MLK and Delmar, but Hyde Park and Old North have partners working in their favor. Dream Equity Builders, Gateway Global, and local biz owners & neighborhood advocates. 

The workforce development center that the city is doing on MLK should be downtown by Preservation Square Apartments, imo. Arguably the 911 call center as well, but I think that location is more strategic with NGA. 

I would love to see the Mayor and the board get the corporate heads and the big money roller families together in a room and look at the before and after pictures of Over the Rhine. Frame a plan based on that from Cincinnati and establish a similar nonprofit real estate developer. Focus on rehabs between Cole and Salisbury. Then turn to infill. Cincy started with the main anchors (the churches and music hall). Unfortunately, we have lost most of the main anchors. If they can do it, we can. It just takes some everyone sitting in a room and wanting to be part of something greater. I mean Cincy has basically rebuilt their largest urban neighborhood from ruins in 15 years. Around the same time we did Northside Regeneration and Cincy did their model. Well, one worked better than anything that has been seen in recent history and ours has led to demolition of 1/2 the properties we looked to redevelop. So we made a mistake. Luckily, Cincy has now provided the model. We can take everything they did right and learn from any mistakes.

With the NGA opening soon, there is no better time to get started.

It is my opinion that if we get this corridor going, it will make our downtown super strong and the investment will finally spread across the rest of the north side.

If anyone has an in with the mayor and the groups that could look at the Cincy model and use it, please get this idea circulating. It is the logical next step once we eminent domain Paul McKee and never let that man back in this city. I think we have an opportunity once this lawsuit progresses to rough and is successful to do it right this time.

And there has been talk of northside, McKee in this mayoral race. If one of them comes out and proposes using a Cincy type model to recover from the McKee disaster, that will be my vote.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Jan 24, 2025

I would love to see the Mayor and the board get the corporate heads and the big money roller families together in a room and look at the before and after pictures of Over the Rhine. Frame a plan based on that from Cincinnati and establish a similar nonprofit real estate developer. Focus on rehabs between Cole and Salisbury. Then turn to infill. Cincy started with the main anchors (the churches and music hall). Unfortunately, we have lost most of the main anchors. If they can do it, we can. It just takes some everyone sitting in a room and wanting to be part of something greater. I mean Cincy has basically rebuilt their largest urban neighborhood from ruins in 15 years. Around the same time we did Northside Regeneration and Cincy did their model. Well, one worked better than anything that has been seen in recent history and ours has led to demolition of 1/2 the properties we looked to redevelop. So we made a mistake. Luckily, Cincy has now provided the model. We can take everything they did right and learn from any mistakes.

With the NGA opening soon, there is no better time to get started.

It is my opinion that if we get this corridor going, it will make our downtown super strong and the investment will finally spread across the rest of the north side.

If anyone has an in with the mayor and the groups that could look at the Cincy model and use it, please get this idea circulating. It is the logical next step once we eminent domain Paul McKee and never let that man back in this city. I think we have an opportunity once this lawsuit progresses to rough and is successful to do it right this time.

And there has been talk of northside, McKee in this mayoral race. If one of them comes out and proposes using a Cincy type model to recover from the McKee disaster, that will be my vote.

Like someone mentioned before, OTR had the support of corporate Cincinnati. Almost nothing in the city has the support of corporate support of St. Louis. Stifel, Enterprise, AB, and Spire....other than that it's few and far between.

There's very little the city can realistically do about a lot of things without the support of the business sector.

I write this with  sotto voce as I will be again accused of being endlessly laborious and futile
Business sector? How about a billionaire?
https://archive.ph/CUXPC

quincunx wrote: ↑

Mar 27, 2025

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Can we make it a %$#^% week without something burning 

This one wasn't even a vaco 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/W4B6TZ6mKiikosdM8

$350k building permit application submitted for two townhomes at 1417 Dodier

On today's LRA agenda, AWS Construction, LLC (c/o Arthur W. Sullivan) is seeking to purchase nearly 70 vacant lots in the Old North St. Louis neighborhood totaling 3.8 acres. The lots are concentrated in two spots--(A) on and around North 13th Street between Hebert and Sullivan close to I-70 as well as (B) on either side of Branch Street between N. Florissant and Blair, extending slightly into the Hyde Park neighborhood.

Anyone know the buyer? Or have any inklings of potential plans for this large chunk of parcels?

Here's a list of the addresses for those interested:

1301 St Louis Ave, St. Louis, MO 63106 
2815 Hadley St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2813 Hadley St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1224 Hebert St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1222 Hebert St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1218 Hebert St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1214 Hebert St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1212 Hebert St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1210 Hebert St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1201 Wright St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1205 Wright St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1211 Wright St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1227 Sullivan Ave, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1300 Hebert St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2925 N 13th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2921 N 13th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2919 N 13th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2917 N 13th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2913 N 13th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2903 N 13th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1309 Sullivan Ave, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3246 N 19th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3248 N 19th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3253 N 19th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3251 N 19th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3244 N 20th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3256 N 20th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3260 N 20th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3251 Knapp St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3247 Knapp St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3235 Knapp St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3306 N 21st St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3310 N 21st St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3314 N 21st St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3243 N 20th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3233 N 20th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2124 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2120 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2116 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3320 N Florissant Ave, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1520 Palm St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3252 N 19th St, St. Louis, MO 63107
 3256 N 19th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3260 N 19th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1522 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3249 N 20th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3400 N Florissant Ave, St. Louis, MO 63107
2110 Destrehan St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2104 Destrehan St, St. Louis, MO 63107
2100 Destrehan St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2103 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2111 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2024 Agnes St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
3409 N 20th St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2001 Angelrodt St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2005 Angelrodt St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
10 Ashley St, St. Louis, MO 63102 
1610 N 14th St, St. Louis, MO 63106 
2018 Palm St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2015 Angelrodt St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2019 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
2001 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1926 Angelrodt St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1919 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1923 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107 
1931 Branch St, St. Louis, MO 63107

He's the demo guy who was recently featured for completing demolitions for free because he scraps the materials. 
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/citiz ... ayers/amp/

addxb2 wrote: ↑

5:05 PM - Jul 29

He's the demo guy who was recently featured for completing demolitions for free because he scraps the materials. 
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/citiz ... ayers/amp/

I did see that while Googling around and was going to post it--thanks! I wonder what he'd want to do with so many vacant (already cleared) lots then...

That valley where the two neighborhoods meet has a lot of sinkholes and flooding issues.

Hope they address it with their plans.

There’s a bit of rehab activity on either side of branch street, but branch itself is dire.

Here's a map I put together of all the addresses:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1TPl1tv0mlblVmpNtlZ3nPiUEUj4L9gs&usp=sharing

Couple of odd balls in there such as the lot across from the old Mullanphy Emigrant Home and a lot west of Ashley Street Power House.

jacob_rb_15 wrote: ↑

3:18 AM - 1 day ago

Here's a map I put together of all the addresses:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1TPl1tv0mlblVmpNtlZ3nPiUEUj4L9gs&usp=sharing

Couple of odd balls in there such as the lot across from the old Mullanphy Emigrant Home and a lot west of Ashley Street Power House.

Thanks for doing this!

Wow, builds at the Branch Florissant intersection area will really change the entry into the neighborhoods

I wonder what the designs will be

Really hoping for Benton Park and Soulard type new build designs but we will see


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1415-17 Dodier - 2-unit infill project under construction (see the real estate listing here).