$177k building permit application submitted for 1400 Hebert for multi-fam renovation
$290k building permit applications submitted for new homes at 1300, 1302, 1304 Monroe
Sump to open up a second location with the roasting operation in Old North
https://www.firstalert4.com/2024/08/27/ ... -facility/
https://www.firstalert4.com/2024/08/27/ ... -facility/
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Went by the most recent church that burned at 19th/Newhouse to see the damage. Up 19th, there was vacant land where in the last google maps update you can see were some beautiful row homes that were burned. Basically this whole block has been burned down in the last 10 years while not being occupied. Made me extremely sad.
Was thinking about how much we have lost in the Old North/St. Louis Place/Hyde Park. What stands out to me is losing now three large anchor brick churches - it really reminds you of the before pictures of Over the Rhine in Cincinnati where the large churches were abandoned and surrounded by decay. Somehow that whole area didn’t burn and get demolished like what seems to happen as soon as we have an abandoned building north of delmar around here. The O.T.R. buildings looked unsalvageable in the before pictures but somehow they were able to save them over the course of 10 years in a slow growth region neighborhood that had race riots and was considered one of the more dangerous in the country, certainly no safer than Old North and adjacent areas. Somehow a nonprofit real estate group brought the whole thing back to life in a big way. Blocks and blocks of historical rehab. Why didn’t this happen for our ON/HP/StL Pl? And why haven’t we learned since Cincy’s success?
I guess we gave it all to Paul McKee and wasted it away and Cincy trusted the right people. Idk. It’s just so mind boggling to see O.T.R. vs our preservation and investment in these neighborhoods.
Very proud of the work that the Old North group did and has done with rehabs and the 14th mall. Just wish that there would have been a massive swath of investment to follow it and save what would have made absolute gem out of these historic neighborhoods just 1-2 miles north of downtown.
Old North is my favorite StL neighborhood even without the full revitalization. I just want to see it be a premier destination and story of what cities can be.
Was thinking about how much we have lost in the Old North/St. Louis Place/Hyde Park. What stands out to me is losing now three large anchor brick churches - it really reminds you of the before pictures of Over the Rhine in Cincinnati where the large churches were abandoned and surrounded by decay. Somehow that whole area didn’t burn and get demolished like what seems to happen as soon as we have an abandoned building north of delmar around here. The O.T.R. buildings looked unsalvageable in the before pictures but somehow they were able to save them over the course of 10 years in a slow growth region neighborhood that had race riots and was considered one of the more dangerous in the country, certainly no safer than Old North and adjacent areas. Somehow a nonprofit real estate group brought the whole thing back to life in a big way. Blocks and blocks of historical rehab. Why didn’t this happen for our ON/HP/StL Pl? And why haven’t we learned since Cincy’s success?
I guess we gave it all to Paul McKee and wasted it away and Cincy trusted the right people. Idk. It’s just so mind boggling to see O.T.R. vs our preservation and investment in these neighborhoods.
Very proud of the work that the Old North group did and has done with rehabs and the 14th mall. Just wish that there would have been a massive swath of investment to follow it and save what would have made absolute gem out of these historic neighborhoods just 1-2 miles north of downtown.
Old North is my favorite StL neighborhood even without the full revitalization. I just want to see it be a premier destination and story of what cities can be.
I think the key is that the "nonprofit real estate group" is bankrolled by almost every big corporation with a HQ or major corporate presence in Cincy. Check out their board of directors here. P&G, University of Cincinnati, Kroger, Cintas, GE Aviation, Fifth Third Bank, and it just keeps going. Really remarkable support for revitalization of their urban core. How?delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2025Went by the most recent church that burned at 19th/Newhouse to see the damage. Up 19th, there was vacant land where in the last google maps update you can see were some beautiful row homes that were burned. Basically this whole block has been burned down in the last 10 years while not being occupied. Made me extremely sad.
Was thinking about how much we have lost in the Old North/St. Louis Place/Hyde Park. What stands out to me is losing now three large anchor brick churches - it really reminds you of the before pictures of Over the Rhine in Cincinnati where the large churches were abandoned and surrounded by decay. Somehow that whole area didn’t burn and get demolished like what seems to happen as soon as we have an abandoned building north of delmar around here. The O.T.R. buildings looked unsalvageable in the before pictures but somehow they were able to save them over the course of 10 years in a slow growth region neighborhood that had race riots and was considered one of the more dangerous in the country, certainly no safer than Old North and adjacent areas. Somehow a nonprofit real estate group brought the whole thing back to life in a big way. Blocks and blocks of historical rehab. Why didn’t this happen for our ON/HP/StL Pl? And why haven’t we learned since Cincy’s success?
I guess we gave it all to Paul McKee and wasted it away and Cincy trusted the right people. Idk. It’s just so mind boggling to see O.T.R. vs our preservation and investment in these neighborhoods.
Very proud of the work that the Old North group did and has done with rehabs and the 14th mall. Just wish that there would have been a massive swath of investment to follow it and save what would have made absolute gem out of these historic neighborhoods just 1-2 miles north of downtown.
Old North is my favorite StL neighborhood even without the full revitalization. I just want to see it be a premier destination and story of what cities can be.
Agreed. So much of the 2000-2010s energy was on this near north, north of downtown framework. Florissant into Tucker or 14th is such an easy way to connect downtown. (Florissant, 14th, and Olive St are some that I'm hoping get major $$ Rams makeovers).
There has definitely been some shift to MLK and Delmar, but Hyde Park and Old North have partners working in their favor. Dream Equity Builders, Gateway Global, and local biz owners & neighborhood advocates.
The workforce development center that the city is doing on MLK should be downtown by Preservation Square Apartments, imo. Arguably the 911 call center as well, but I think that location is more strategic with NGA.
There has definitely been some shift to MLK and Delmar, but Hyde Park and Old North have partners working in their favor. Dream Equity Builders, Gateway Global, and local biz owners & neighborhood advocates.
The workforce development center that the city is doing on MLK should be downtown by Preservation Square Apartments, imo. Arguably the 911 call center as well, but I think that location is more strategic with NGA.
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I would love to see the Mayor and the board get the corporate heads and the big money roller families together in a room and look at the before and after pictures of Over the Rhine. Frame a plan based on that from Cincinnati and establish a similar nonprofit real estate developer. Focus on rehabs between Cole and Salisbury. Then turn to infill. Cincy started with the main anchors (the churches and music hall). Unfortunately, we have lost most of the main anchors. If they can do it, we can. It just takes some everyone sitting in a room and wanting to be part of something greater. I mean Cincy has basically rebuilt their largest urban neighborhood from ruins in 15 years. Around the same time we did Northside Regeneration and Cincy did their model. Well, one worked better than anything that has been seen in recent history and ours has led to demolition of 1/2 the properties we looked to redevelop. So we made a mistake. Luckily, Cincy has now provided the model. We can take everything they did right and learn from any mistakes.
With the NGA opening soon, there is no better time to get started.
It is my opinion that if we get this corridor going, it will make our downtown super strong and the investment will finally spread across the rest of the north side.
If anyone has an in with the mayor and the groups that could look at the Cincy model and use it, please get this idea circulating. It is the logical next step once we eminent domain Paul McKee and never let that man back in this city. I think we have an opportunity once this lawsuit progresses to rough and is successful to do it right this time.
And there has been talk of northside, McKee in this mayoral race. If one of them comes out and proposes using a Cincy type model to recover from the McKee disaster, that will be my vote.
With the NGA opening soon, there is no better time to get started.
It is my opinion that if we get this corridor going, it will make our downtown super strong and the investment will finally spread across the rest of the north side.
If anyone has an in with the mayor and the groups that could look at the Cincy model and use it, please get this idea circulating. It is the logical next step once we eminent domain Paul McKee and never let that man back in this city. I think we have an opportunity once this lawsuit progresses to rough and is successful to do it right this time.
And there has been talk of northside, McKee in this mayoral race. If one of them comes out and proposes using a Cincy type model to recover from the McKee disaster, that will be my vote.
Like someone mentioned before, OTR had the support of corporate Cincinnati. Almost nothing in the city has the support of corporate support of St. Louis. Stifel, Enterprise, AB, and Spire....other than that it's few and far between.delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑Jan 24, 2025I would love to see the Mayor and the board get the corporate heads and the big money roller families together in a room and look at the before and after pictures of Over the Rhine. Frame a plan based on that from Cincinnati and establish a similar nonprofit real estate developer. Focus on rehabs between Cole and Salisbury. Then turn to infill. Cincy started with the main anchors (the churches and music hall). Unfortunately, we have lost most of the main anchors. If they can do it, we can. It just takes some everyone sitting in a room and wanting to be part of something greater. I mean Cincy has basically rebuilt their largest urban neighborhood from ruins in 15 years. Around the same time we did Northside Regeneration and Cincy did their model. Well, one worked better than anything that has been seen in recent history and ours has led to demolition of 1/2 the properties we looked to redevelop. So we made a mistake. Luckily, Cincy has now provided the model. We can take everything they did right and learn from any mistakes.
With the NGA opening soon, there is no better time to get started.
It is my opinion that if we get this corridor going, it will make our downtown super strong and the investment will finally spread across the rest of the north side.
If anyone has an in with the mayor and the groups that could look at the Cincy model and use it, please get this idea circulating. It is the logical next step once we eminent domain Paul McKee and never let that man back in this city. I think we have an opportunity once this lawsuit progresses to rough and is successful to do it right this time.
And there has been talk of northside, McKee in this mayoral race. If one of them comes out and proposes using a Cincy type model to recover from the McKee disaster, that will be my vote.
There's very little the city can realistically do about a lot of things without the support of the business sector.
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I write this with sotto voce as I will be again accused of being endlessly laborious and futile
Business sector? How about a billionaire?
https://archive.ph/CUXPC
Business sector? How about a billionaire?
https://archive.ph/CUXPC
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Please stop posting the same article about Detroit.
As pointed out previously, they are threatening to tear down the iconic towers of the downtown without hundreds of millions of subsidies to keep only half of it.
It would be nice if our Better Together backer actually made things better in the city. He ruined Maryland and Euclid as a destination.
As pointed out previously, they are threatening to tear down the iconic towers of the downtown without hundreds of millions of subsidies to keep only half of it.
It would be nice if our Better Together backer actually made things better in the city. He ruined Maryland and Euclid as a destination.
Can we make it a %$#^% week without something burningquincunx wrote: ↑Mar 27, 2025Screenshot_20250326-193734.png
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$350k building permit application submitted for two townhomes at 1417 Dodier
$350k building permit issued for 2 townhomes at 1417 DODIER ST.