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Classic NIMBY stuff... 
We're just worried about the kids whose parents will force them to live in this hell hole that we are already living in and love.

$900k building permit application submitted for a new home at 5528 DAGGETT AV

quincunx wrote: ↑

Oct 18, 2025

$900k building permit application submitted for a new home at 5528 DAGGETT AV

But that looks like a decent home already...

quincunx wrote:

quincunx wrote: ↑

Jun 08, 2025

^Actually it's a $3.5M permit. Donno if that's a typo or if it's for a mansion with multiple lots being consolidated..

$3,5M building permit issued

Luxury firm building $3.6M single-family house on The Hill

Let's hope they don't follow the usual McBride standards.

Was on the Hill last night getting takeout. It's shocking to me to see its growth in the last five or so years. Restaurants were packed, people strolling sidewalks enjoying the evening, and a couple of busses dropping off what I assume were tourists. So happy to see the bustle. 

StlMag - Neighbors on The Hill consider forming a historic district

https://www.stlmag.com/news/the-hill-historic-district/

It needs to happen ASAP


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Nah they just want to slow down new development because they're NIMBYs.

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No, they need this historic district, the new homes going up on the hill look like crap, the least they could do is preserve some of the historic working class architecture

With land prices being what they are, Devoti worries smaller homes simply don’t pencil out for builders—and that any major restrictions could halt the neighborhood’s growth. “If we’re talking about a single-story shotgun. I don’t have a market for that,” he says of developers’ thinking. “It’s not happening at today’s prices.”

I don't understand his comment above. There have been plenty of orig shotgun houses where a developer finished the basement and/or added on a room to create 2 or 3 bed/2bath homes that bring top market sale prices. There needs to be a market for retiring boomers and young families who want something on the smaller, less expensive end. Not everyone wants 2500 sqft for $700k. And we get to preserve history, win-win...

I doubt it will pass. Cultural Resources does not even approve of the thinking...Neither does the alderperson. It does not matter if you like how someone else's house looks. This is nimbyism at its finest. 

The Hill is one of the only places in the city where timelines, land availability, design freedom, and costs align. 

I can tell you from working at a residential architecture firm, we have county families wanting to be a part of what's going on in the Hill. The population is increasing, business is flourishing...Don't put a cap on that growth for our city and region. 

The Hill has been so successful that it has less people than it did in 2000

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

8:48 PM - May 20

The Hill has been so successful that it has less people than it did in 2000

• From 2000 → 2020, The Hill actually lost about 161 residents (-6%). 
• But from 2020 → 2025, it appears to have gained several hundred residents due largely to Moda and surrounding infill housing.

That means the neighborhood today is probably:

250–450 residents above  its 2000 population

From my brief glances it seemed to me that the hills structures is a 'hodge podge' of styles/sizes etc I thought that was part of its character 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

8:48 PM - May 20

The Hill has been so successful that it has less people than it did in 2000

And same with Benton Park, and Skinker-Debaliviere, for example. Occupancy is strong and property values are increasing. New units are being built. 

The Hill's occupancy rate was hovering at 90% in 2020, with only 154 vacant units in the neighborhood. 

dylank wrote: ↑

2:11 PM - May 21

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

8:48 PM - May 20

The Hill has been so successful that it has less people than it did in 2000

And same with Benton Park, and Skinker-Debaliviere, for example. Occupancy is strong and property values are increasing. New units are being built. 

The Hill's occupancy rate was hovering at 90% in 2020, with only 154 vacant units in the neighborhood. 

Yep. Household size has declined a lot in the City. See below:

Avg. HH Size (Census)
1990	2.38
2000	2.30
2010	2.11
2020	1.95

Most "successful" City neighborhoods have the same/similar number of occupied units as 2000, just fewer people in them.

This is a good example as to why it's so important to continue building new housing units. There's several south city neighborhoods that are too expensive for young families to buy into ($300-400k), houses go on sale are bought up immediately, but no new houses are being built, barely any apartments. This is why The Hill needs to keep adding.

Family friend just passed up on moving to the city after they got out-bid multiple times, so they're relocating in the county instead.

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STLAPTS wrote: ↑

1:21 AM - May 21

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

8:48 PM - May 20

The Hill has been so successful that it has less people than it did in 2000

• From 2000 → 2020, The Hill actually lost about 161 residents (-6%). 
• But from 2020 → 2025, it appears to have gained several hundred residents due largely to Moda and surrounding infill housing.

That means the neighborhood today is probably:

250–450 residents above  its 2000 population

The city has added like 5,000 apartments since 2020 and yet here we are with less people

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

3:06 AM - May 22

STLAPTS wrote: ↑

1:21 AM - May 21

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

8:48 PM - May 20

The Hill has been so successful that it has less people than it did in 2000

• From 2000 → 2020, The Hill actually lost about 161 residents (-6%). 
• But from 2020 → 2025, it appears to have gained several hundred residents due largely to Moda and surrounding infill housing.

That means the neighborhood today is probably:

250–450 residents above  its 2000 population

The city has added like 5,000 apartments since 2020 and yet here we are with less people

Correct.  But you were talking about a specific neighborhood. It's ok to be wrong Dennis.  You are more than you realize.  

STLAPTS wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

3:06 AM - May 22

STLAPTS wrote: ↑

1:21 AM - May 21

• From 2000 → 2020, The Hill actually lost about 161 residents (-6%). 
• But from 2020 → 2025, it appears to have gained several hundred residents due largely to Moda and surrounding infill housing.

That means the neighborhood today is probably:

250–450 residents above  its 2000 population

The city has added like 5,000 apartments since 2020 and yet here we are with less people

Correct.  But you were talking about a specific neighborhood. It's ok to be wrong Dennis.  You are more than you realize.  

I think his point is more that The Hill could easily have lost residents from 2020 to 2026 despite adding 300+ new housing units if the city has added thousands of units while losing allegedly tens of thousands.

I wouldn't necessarily agree, but the fact it has added units doesn't necessarily mean it has added population.

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They're not all great or even good, but I like the hodge podge of different home styles in The Hill.  People are at least trying some interesting modern home styles on small lots.  I wish we'd see more of that in other neighborhoods.

TalkinDev wrote: ↑

6:50 PM - May 22

They're not all great or even good, but I like the hodge podge of different home styles in The Hill.  People are at least trying some interesting modern home styles on small lots.  I wish we'd see more of that in other neighborhoods.

Or often tearing down two homes to build one..

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

9:46 PM - May 22

TalkinDev wrote: ↑

6:50 PM - May 22

They're not all great or even good, but I like the hodge podge of different home styles in The Hill.  People are at least trying some interesting modern home styles on small lots.  I wish we'd see more of that in other neighborhoods.

Or often tearing down two homes to build one..

This is really what should not be allowed. A McBride executive tore down a lot more than 2 homes to build his mega mansion.