The HIll Infill and Rehab

quincunx · PostAug 05, 2025#762025-08-05T01:30+00:00

Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory?

mrpaincakes 4h ago
There will be more on the corner of Shaw and Hereford. I just sold that vacant corner lot to them. Close on Friday.

UnMonsieurTriste 52m ago
The southwest corner, I assume. Any idea what they plan to build there?

mrpaincakes 5m ago
Not sure. Just know who the buyers were. We were going to build multi-use stuff there but then decided to sell instead. We had 4 different plans approved by the association and the city for residential on top of commercial

pattimagee · PostAug 05, 2025#772025-08-05T14:22+00:00

addxb2 wrote: ↑
Aug 04, 2025
McBride Homes plans 80 townhouses on historic St. Louis site

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 994af54a4f

Say what you will about McBride but STL needs hundreds of projects on this scale. Not everyone wants to own a single family home from the 1800s or 1960s. New construction, high density, mass production infill has a big role to play in saving the City.

Back to my Rams Settlement idea…City should take two city blocks (at a time) and say to developers like McBride… “Build here. Whatever doesn’t sell after two years after completion, we’ll buy back from you at cost + interest.” I know homes would sell. There are interested buyers but there are a lack of safe and affordable homes. Developers are too nervous and banks won’t make the loans. City should back the loans!

Agreed!! The amount of friends and family that have moved/sprawled because of the houses they were outbid for is way too many. The city needs to feed the supply in a smart way that allows us to grow when the demand is there.

dylank · PostAug 05, 2025#782025-08-05T21:42+00:00

framer · PostAug 06, 2025#792025-08-06T12:35+00:00

Well those look nice enough, I guess.

pattimagee · PostAug 06, 2025#802025-08-06T14:33+00:00

^Agreed - that's a win.

SRQ2STL · PostAug 06, 2025#812025-08-06T14:36+00:00

dylank wrote: ↑
Aug 05, 2025

I don't know why...but upon viewing, this definitively screamed "DOGTOWN" to me. It just feels more like Dogtown. haha

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostAug 06, 2025#822025-08-06T23:44+00:00

Unrelated to this development, but there’s plenty of land to build on in this city. Can we stop tearing down the old shotgun homes that give the Hill its character?

PeterXCV · PostAug 07, 2025#832025-08-07T00:25+00:00

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑
Aug 06, 2025
Unrelated to this development, but there’s plenty of land to build on in this city. Can we stop tearing down the old shotgun homes that give the Hill its character?

Agreed.

quincunx · PostAug 07, 2025#842025-08-07T00:34+00:00

It shows the "preserve neighborhood character" argument from NIMBYs isn't about the buildings.

TalkinDev · PostAug 07, 2025#852025-08-07T14:44+00:00

Unpopular opinion...

I've grown to really enjoy the mix and eclectic nature of new and old housing on The Hill. There are a few bad ones, more good ones and some interesting conversions. Most of the bad ones are people that have lived in The Hill and wanted to stay and expand, and I think we've seen these get better as time goes by. It doesn't seem to bother most Hill residents otherwise there would have been a bigger uproar about the tear downs over the years. People are trying something new by building new homes on very small lots, in a popular and dense neighborhood. This is something we should embrace, not lament.

dylank · PostAug 07, 2025#862025-08-07T15:11+00:00

not unpopular. I like it too. Freedom of design expression and allowing neighborhoods to evolve is important. If people want to live in the Hill, but the only supply available is 900 SF shotgun homes, we have to diversify a bit. It'll help keep the smaller, historic ones more affordable as well.

stldotage · PostAug 12, 2025#872025-08-12T14:50+00:00

A $3.5 million single family home is being built across FIVE (yes, 5) Hill lots -- 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2012 Hereford. The owner is McBride Homes.

Permit Record 3
Project Type:	New Const.
Application Number:	585708
Application Date:	06/02/2025
Structure Type:	1 or 2 Family
Estimated Costs:	$3,500,000.00
Contractor:	MARKWAY CONSTRUCTION
Application Description:	CONSTRUCT SINGLE FAMILY HOME PER PLANS

Here is the stretch of homes. All have recently been demolished.

PeterXCV · PostAug 12, 2025#882025-08-12T15:16+00:00

That's horrible. I'm lukewarm towards the new construction on the hill but an actual mcmansion? JFC

quincunx · PostAug 12, 2025#892025-08-12T15:35+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Jun 08, 2025
^Actually it's a $3.5M permit. Donno if that's a typo or if it's for a mansion with multiple lots being consolidated..

Oy

stldotage · PostAug 12, 2025#902025-08-12T15:49+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Aug 12, 2025
quincunx wrote: ↑
Jun 08, 2025
^Actually it's a $3.5M permit. Donno if that's a typo or if it's for a mansion with multiple lots being consolidated..
Oy

Sorry, I didn't scroll back far enough to see that you already mentioned this!

STLrainbow · PostAug 12, 2025#912025-08-12T15:55+00:00

^ All five of those oldies are now demolished. I assume there will be 5 new homes on the same parcels and the $3.5M could be the total amount.

stldotage · PostAug 12, 2025#922025-08-12T15:59+00:00

STLrainbow wrote: ↑
Aug 12, 2025
^ All five of those oldies are now demolished. I assume there will be 5 new homes on the same parcels and the $3.5M could be the total amount.

The rumor from the Hillspeople is that a higher up at McBride is building a single family home atop all five lots (which is consistent with the permit too). But I hope they're wrong!

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostAug 13, 2025#932025-08-13T04:11+00:00

Ugh why do they have to tear those down at all. Other places in the neighborhood to build which are empty lots

Hill will look like Chesterfield if we aren’t careful

quincunx · PostSep 20, 2025#942025-09-20T16:24+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Jun 08, 2025
^Actually it's a $3.5M permit. Donno if that's a typo or if it's for a mansion with multiple lots being consolidated..

$3,5M building permit issued

SRQ2STL · PostOct 15, 2025#952025-10-15T17:49+00:00

Protect The Hill Neighborhood-Oppose The Wilson Avenue Properties.LLC/ McBride Homes Devel

^^ So uh...someone started a petition against the Wilson Ave townhome project...and is addressing it to....the mayor and city council of Lake St Louis.

I mean, I feel like this might have a chance...don't know about you guys. 🌶

quincunx · PostOct 15, 2025#962025-10-15T18:07+00:00

"We're worried about the traffic from new residents! But since it's next to industrial uses, they won't be able to sell them!"

PostOct 15, 2025#972025-10-15T18:10+00:00

How?
"This development will potentially increase our property taxes but decrease the value of our homes"

We don't want traffic, but want plenty of car storage!
"Also provide ... 2 parking spaces per townhome. "

PeterXCV · PostOct 15, 2025#982025-10-15T18:52+00:00

Against almost all of this except the Airbnb part, maybe they'll be satisfied with that restriction built into the HOA and compromise on the rest of their demands lol

Auggie · PostOct 15, 2025#992025-10-15T18:59+00:00

The Hill also has 500 fewer residents today than it had in 1990.

SRQ2STL · PostOct 15, 2025#1002025-10-15T19:11+00:00

You guys...do NOT challenge the infinite wisdom of the forefathers of Lake St Louis...they are us and they are them. THEY will make the right choice. Namaste.

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