^ I think we will eventually get a Buc-ee's & we already have a Wally's. If not for Wally's, I bet we'd already have a Buc-ee's. There is room for both in the metro.
Gov Kehoe back in KC today. $1bn Children’s Mercy Hospital patient tower announced for 1 block NE of the new Royals stadium site. Will be look about as tall as the 42 floor Sheraton on the skyline. Master Plan hearing next week and construction start in the fall.
Video rendering:
https://news.childrensmercy.org/childre ... ric-needs/
Video rendering:
https://news.childrensmercy.org/childre ... ric-needs/
KC has a Wally's also under construction on the Missouri side of I-70.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑7:09 PM - Apr 28^ I think we will eventually get a Buc-ee's & we already have a Wally's. If not for Wally's, I bet we'd already have a Buc-ee's. There is room for both in the metro.
This with the Royals ballpark district is going to really expand the skyline of this area. The master plan also calls for about five new 8-10 story buildings and two 5-story buildings. There's going to be a lot of construction downtown in the coming years, with 1650 Broadway, The Refinery, Ballpark district & stadium, Children's Mercy expansion, four light, I-670 cap, 8th & Grand, City Harvest, Current Landing, 934 Central (maybe), 9th and Central (maybe). Lots of cranes in the near future!
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Oddly, their website doesn't list either the Independence, MO or Whitestown, IN locations as coming soon, although they do have a banner advertising job openings at the Indiana location.Dev7 wrote: ↑5:27 PM - Apr 29KC has a Wally's also under construction on the Missouri side of I-70.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑7:09 PM - Apr 28^ I think we will eventually get a Buc-ee's & we already have a Wally's. If not for Wally's, I bet we'd already have a Buc-ee's. There is room for both in the metro.
ldai_phs wrote: ↑4:55 PM - Apr 29Gov Kehoe back in KC today. $1bn Children’s Mercy Hospital patient tower announced for 1 block NE of the new Royals stadium site. Will be look about as tall as the 42 floor Sheraton on the skyline. Master Plan hearing next week and construction start in the fall.
Video rendering:
https://news.childrensmercy.org/childre ... ric-needs/
Foreground is the new stadium site
Video
[link]https://content.presspage.com/uploads/1 ... .mp4?10000[/link]
Crowne Center is 2.2 miles from downtown KC. Midtown STL is 2.2 miles from downtown STL.
But in KC, the city counts Crowne Center in their downtown population and "district".
The new Childrens Hospital will be an excellent addition for pediatric care in KC.
It is the only dedicated pediatric hospital in their region.
St. Louis has three dedicated pediatric hospitals, topping most major cities and placing the city in the top 10 overall in USA.
They are..
St. Louis Children's Hospital, Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital, and Shriners Children's Hospital St. Louis
All located in the central Corridor of the city.
The new Cardinal Glennon Hospital addition is huge in midtown and looking good (see photos from today)
But in KC, the city counts Crowne Center in their downtown population and "district".
The new Childrens Hospital will be an excellent addition for pediatric care in KC.
It is the only dedicated pediatric hospital in their region.
St. Louis has three dedicated pediatric hospitals, topping most major cities and placing the city in the top 10 overall in USA.
They are..
St. Louis Children's Hospital, Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital, and Shriners Children's Hospital St. Louis
All located in the central Corridor of the city.
The new Cardinal Glennon Hospital addition is huge in midtown and looking good (see photos from today)
That is a good point. I think the new Children’s Mercy will be about the combined bed count of STL Children’s + the new Cardinal Glennon children’s as they will be tearing down the old.
New rendering:Dev7 wrote: ↑6:03 AM - Apr 14New renderings are out for the 1650 Broadway Project, Encore. I know some were worried that the star of the show, the 33-story building would be a part of the later phases, but it looks like the tower is a part of phase I.
Special use permit for the hotel applied for this week. New renderings of the tower here:ldai_phs wrote: ↑Jul 25, 2025The 800 Grand Project is up at Port KC this week for incentives.
Older news article
https://www.multihousingnews.com/br-cos-unveils-plans-for-mixed-use-kc-tower/
"Temporary bus system" is so funny. $85M on transit for tourists, but we can't find money for transit for taxpaying residnets.
What's sad is that if we were hosting, we would also be doing shuttle buses from the airport to downtown because the powers that be would insist the Metro is too dangerous.
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What's sad is that if we were hosting, we would also be doing shuttle buses from the airport to downtown because the powers that be would insist the Metro is too dangerous.
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Hopefully this reveals the importance of a bi-state transit system, especially with them also possibly bidding for things like the Super Bowl, Rugby WC and Women's FIFA World Cup. KC is lucky to have such a cooperative neighbor, and if KC leaders really put their minds to it can create a great regional transit system. Would save them from having to spend nearly $100 million each time they host a major event.StlAlex wrote: ↑2:00 AM - 2 days ago"Temporary bus system" is so funny. $85M on transit for tourists, but we can't find money for transit for taxpaying residnets.
Really KC shouldn't be considered for any big events until their transit situation is somewhat reasonable. No different than lack of hotels, lack of airport connections, adequate stadium, etc.
It's just so wild that Missouri taxpayers, inevitably partly St. Louis, is paying for transit in KC because KC doesn't wanna spend that much on transit. They deserve to be embarrassed.
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It's just so wild that Missouri taxpayers, inevitably partly St. Louis, is paying for transit in KC because KC doesn't wanna spend that much on transit. They deserve to be embarrassed.
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Add it up....StlAlex wrote: ↑5:24 AM - 2 days agoReally KC shouldn't be considered for any big events until their transit situation is somewhat reasonable. No different than lack of hotels, lack of airport connections, adequate stadium, etc.
It's just so wild that Missouri taxpayers, inevitably partly St. Louis, is paying for transit in KC because KC doesn't wanna spend that much on transit. They deserve to be embarrassed.
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Power & Light socialism - $15M/year
Potential Royals stadium socialism - $70M/year
WC socialism - $150M+ total
So, KC + Missouri could spend like $1B in socialism for entertainment? hmmmm
Same stuff STL and every other midsized city is doingsoulardx wrote:Add it up....StlAlex wrote: ↑5:24 AM - 2 days agoReally KC shouldn't be considered for any big events until their transit situation is somewhat reasonable. No different than lack of hotels, lack of airport connections, adequate stadium, etc.
It's just so wild that Missouri taxpayers, inevitably partly St. Louis, is paying for transit in KC because KC doesn't wanna spend that much on transit. They deserve to be embarrassed.
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Power & Light socialism - $15M/year
Potential Royals stadium socialism - $70M/year
WC socialism - $150M+ total
So, KC + Missouri could spend like $1B in socialism for entertainment? hmmmm
Don't think so, man. STL + Missouri are absolutely not socializing $70M/year for Busch 3. Don't think any entertainment district in STL is being socializing at $15M/year either.ldai_phs wrote: ↑5:42 PM - 1 day agoSame stuff STL and every other midsized city is doingsoulardx wrote:Add it up....StlAlex wrote: ↑5:24 AM - 2 days agoReally KC shouldn't be considered for any big events until their transit situation is somewhat reasonable. No different than lack of hotels, lack of airport connections, adequate stadium, etc.
It's just so wild that Missouri taxpayers, inevitably partly St. Louis, is paying for transit in KC because KC doesn't wanna spend that much on transit. They deserve to be embarrassed.
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Power & Light socialism - $15M/year
Potential Royals stadium socialism - $70M/year
WC socialism - $150M+ total
So, KC + Missouri could spend like $1B in socialism for entertainment? hmmmm
World Cup? Again, I 100% wish it was here and STL was being socialized like that.
How do you think STL paid for Enterprise Center, the Dome, or incentivized BPV, Busch 3, STL City, etc? I am generally supportive of tax incentives and grants for urban economic development which are used pretty much universally outside of CA (including extensive use in NYC). No need to lie about this stuff.soulardx wrote:Don't think so, man. STL + Missouri are absolutely not socializing $70M/year for Busch 3. Don't think any entertainment district in STL is being socializing at $15M/year either.ldai_phs wrote: ↑5:42 PM - 1 day agoSame stuff STL and every other midsized city is doingsoulardx wrote: Add it up....
Power & Light socialism - $15M/year
Potential Royals stadium socialism - $70M/year
WC socialism - $150M+ total
So, KC + Missouri could spend like $1B in socialism for entertainment? hmmmm
World Cup? Again, I 100% wish it was here and STL was being socialized like that.
You misunderstand me. I'm not saying STL doesn't socialize entertainment options. I'm saying that KC is taking it to a new level, a level I think is really excessive. Particularly with the current Royals stadium plan at $70M/year for 30 years. too much. way too much.ldai_phs wrote: ↑6:10 PM - 1 day agoHow do you think STL paid for Enterprise Center, the Dome, or incentivized BPV, Busch 3, STL City, etc? I am generally supportive of tax incentives and grants for urban economic development which are used pretty much universally outside of CA (including extensive use in NYC). No need to lie about this stuff.soulardx wrote:Don't think so, man. STL + Missouri are absolutely not socializing $70M/year for Busch 3. Don't think any entertainment district in STL is being socializing at $15M/year either.ldai_phs wrote: ↑5:42 PM - 1 day agoSame stuff STL and every other midsized city is doing
World Cup? Again, I 100% wish it was here and STL was being socialized like that.
Check my work, btw. (really. I could be wrong!). Add it all up and the Royals stadium alone could get 2X that.
Dome - $720M total tax subsidy ($360M from the state).
Enterprise - $200M total ($75M from the state)
B3 - $90M ($45M from state)
The Dome and Enterprise Center were built 40 years before the Royals new stadium. You could try to PV back each to the opening date of the first project as an attempt to compare.
Royals project does not have a set cost or public funding amount yet other than the City number (a small fraction of the finger in the air number you posted).
Royals project does not have a set cost or public funding amount yet other than the City number (a small fraction of the finger in the air number you posted).
yes!ldai_phs wrote: ↑6:35 PM - 1 day agoThe Dome and Enterprise Center were built 40 years before the Royals new stadium. You could try to PV back each to the opening date of the first project as an attempt to compare.
Royals project does not have a set cost or public funding amount yet other than the City number (a small fraction of the finger in the air number you posted).
And the fact it's not final/set is exactly why I'm voicing my displeasure in hopes the subsidy is cut. All the numbers I've read/heard are excessive. anyway, more when the socialism is solidified.
Google says $600 million from the City and $350 million from the State, almost entirely limited to redirection of taxes generated by the stadium.soulardx wrote:yes!ldai_phs wrote: ↑6:35 PM - 1 day agoThe Dome and Enterprise Center were built 40 years before the Royals new stadium. You could try to PV back each to the opening date of the first project as an attempt to compare.
Royals project does not have a set cost or public funding amount yet other than the City number (a small fraction of the finger in the air number you posted).
And the fact it's not final/set is exactly why I'm voicing my displeasure in hopes the subsidy is cut. All the numbers I've read/heard are excessive. anyway, more when the socialism is solidified.
What? Maybe I'm reading this wrong. Are you saying that Kansas is (and has been) a great cooperative neighbor to KCMO? With the many years of the state of Kansas poaching companies (now the Chiefs) from KCMO....that's being a great neighbor?Dev7 wrote: ↑4:05 AM - 2 days agoHopefully this reveals the importance of a bi-state transit system, especially with them also possibly bidding for things like the Super Bowl, Rugby WC and Women's FIFA World Cup. KC is lucky to have such a cooperative neighbor, and if KC leaders really put their minds to it can create a great regional transit system. Would save them from having to spend nearly $100 million each time they host a major event.StlAlex wrote: ↑2:00 AM - 2 days ago"Temporary bus system" is so funny. $85M on transit for tourists, but we can't find money for transit for taxpaying residnets.
Sure sure sure - socialism stadiums are a necessity for any non top-2 US MSA but $1B is excessive. KC doesn't need the 4th most expensive baseball stadium ever. 2x as much as ATL? absurd.ldai_phs wrote: ↑7:50 PM - 1 day agoGoogle says $600 million from the City and $350 million from the State, almost entirely limited to redirection of taxes generated by the stadium.soulardx wrote:yes!ldai_phs wrote: ↑6:35 PM - 1 day agoThe Dome and Enterprise Center were built 40 years before the Royals new stadium. You could try to PV back each to the opening date of the first project as an attempt to compare.
Royals project does not have a set cost or public funding amount yet other than the City number (a small fraction of the finger in the air number you posted).
And the fact it's not final/set is exactly why I'm voicing my displeasure in hopes the subsidy is cut. All the numbers I've read/heard are excessive. anyway, more when the socialism is solidified.
The Royals ‘think big.’ Proposed stadium at Crown Center would be the fourth-most expensive major league ballpark
https://thebeaconnews.org/stories/2026/ ... explained/
(not arguing with ldai_phs here. Just adding more of a POV from myself.)