Airlines are cutting back The letter the ceo of United sent out its 'Cataclysm'
I felt like it was more subdued than I thought it would be. Basically some cuts to non peak days. I was thinking it would be more.BarryGlick wrote: ↑1:35 AM - Mar 21Airlines are cutting back The letter the ceo of United sent out its 'Cataclysm'
They will pass the fuel costs on to the customers so I’m not sure the margins will change much. If the loads stay up. Now will that affect demand? That’s a different question.addxb2 wrote: ↑12:44 AM - Mar 21Not likely. Unfortunately, we’ll probably spend the next two years praying both flights survive Trump’s fuel fiasco. Fuel eats into margins, meaning 80% full planes might not be enough.
That's what I mean. 80% at lower margin or 70% to maintain todays margin. The difference between now and 2021-2023 is that middle income households are reducing their spending.jshank83 wrote: ↑3:21 AM - Mar 21They will pass the fuel costs on to the customers so I’m not sure the margins will change much. If the loads stay up. Now will that affect demand? That’s a different question.addxb2 wrote: ↑12:44 AM - Mar 21Not likely. Unfortunately, we’ll probably spend the next two years praying both flights survive Trump’s fuel fiasco. Fuel eats into margins, meaning 80% full planes might not be enough.
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Lufthansa making cuts.
European airlines are facing a realcrisis and some are likely to go bankrupt.
From March 16 to 29, Lufthansa will implement a "reduced cleaning" concept on approximately 20 European routes. Toilets will only be cleaned upon request, and trash from seat pockets will be disposed of as needed. The number of cleaners who will selectively check the cleanliness of seats will be reduced from 4 to 2, according to an internal service note for Lufthansa crew.
They also plan to lay off 4,000 employees. "Cleaning as needed" is not the only innovation to reduce costs. Previously, Lufthansa canceled free seat reservations based on fares and reduced on-board meals - now economy class passengers only receive a miniature bottle of water and a piece of chocolate. In addition, the airline has become stricter in controlling hand luggage at the boarding gate. Excess baggage can be paid for on the spot using an online terminal.
European airlines are facing a realcrisis and some are likely to go bankrupt.
From March 16 to 29, Lufthansa will implement a "reduced cleaning" concept on approximately 20 European routes. Toilets will only be cleaned upon request, and trash from seat pockets will be disposed of as needed. The number of cleaners who will selectively check the cleanliness of seats will be reduced from 4 to 2, according to an internal service note for Lufthansa crew.
They also plan to lay off 4,000 employees. "Cleaning as needed" is not the only innovation to reduce costs. Previously, Lufthansa canceled free seat reservations based on fares and reduced on-board meals - now economy class passengers only receive a miniature bottle of water and a piece of chocolate. In addition, the airline has become stricter in controlling hand luggage at the boarding gate. Excess baggage can be paid for on the spot using an online terminal.
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The planes are still getting cleaned overnight... right? Like, it's not literally "the lavs don't get cleaned until someone complains," because that seems suboptimal, even from an efficiency standpoint. If someone finally gets fed up with the filthy lav at an outstation with a 30-minute turnaround time, are you going to have contract cleaners available at that outstation to scrub down the lavs? Or is the lav-cleaning on the cabin crew?moorlander wrote: ↑12:47 PM - Mar 21Lufthansa making cuts.
European airlines are facing a realcrisis and some are likely to go bankrupt.
From March 16 to 29, Lufthansa will implement a "reduced cleaning" concept on approximately 20 European routes. Toilets will only be cleaned upon request, and trash from seat pockets will be disposed of as needed. The number of cleaners who will selectively check the cleanliness of seats will be reduced from 4 to 2, according to an internal service note for Lufthansa crew.
They also plan to lay off 4,000 employees. "Cleaning as needed" is not the only innovation to reduce costs. Previously, Lufthansa canceled free seat reservations based on fares and reduced on-board meals - now economy class passengers only receive a miniature bottle of water and a piece of chocolate. In addition, the airline has become stricter in controlling hand luggage at the boarding gate. Excess baggage can be paid for on the spot using an online terminal.
This trial is only on "short-haul EU flights".
Bottom line
Lufthansa is trying to see if it can get away with reduced cabin cleaning between flights. The airline is currently running a trial on a small number of routes, whereby the cabin isn’t cleaned as thoroughly during “turns” at outstations.
It’s not that the planes aren’t being cleaned at all. Instead, the idea is that business class still gets cleaned, while cleaning in economy is more “on demand,” based on requests by the crew. Airlines are always looking for ways to save on costs (it’s a low margin industry), so let’s see what comes of this trial.
https://onemileatatime.com/news/lufthan ... is%20trial.
Bottom line
Lufthansa is trying to see if it can get away with reduced cabin cleaning between flights. The airline is currently running a trial on a small number of routes, whereby the cabin isn’t cleaned as thoroughly during “turns” at outstations.
It’s not that the planes aren’t being cleaned at all. Instead, the idea is that business class still gets cleaned, while cleaning in economy is more “on demand,” based on requests by the crew. Airlines are always looking for ways to save on costs (it’s a low margin industry), so let’s see what comes of this trial.
https://onemileatatime.com/news/lufthan ... is%20trial.
I am an innovation genius - I have only been cleaning-as-needed for decades
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Let's hope its early April!E24 is being given customs accessibility. Glad to see that finally happening and the addition of a 4th customs gate.
You make a good point about STL not necessarily needing an on-site hotel for most passengers, especially with Southwest’s traveler patterns. Convenient connections to nearby hotels and businesses are likely more valuable. For those arriving via GA or private flights, reliable ground transport like Seattle Black Limo Service can make the airport experience seamless and stress-free.
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We already have a hub-level of hotel capacity right by the airport. Unfortunately they are in a place that requires a shuttle or urber to access.
In an ideal world, hotels would start relocating as their current buildings start aging out near the North Hanley Station for a seamless metro connection. With the right vision it could actually become a pretty dynamic little node of activity and support some bars and restaurants. Probably would be similar vibes to Westport, but actually connected to our greater system.
In an ideal world, hotels would start relocating as their current buildings start aging out near the North Hanley Station for a seamless metro connection. With the right vision it could actually become a pretty dynamic little node of activity and support some bars and restaurants. Probably would be similar vibes to Westport, but actually connected to our greater system.
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The final shipment of Middle East jet fuel (upon which the UK is heavily reliant) should hit the UK today.
UK is trying to make up the difference with North American refined jet fuel, but it’s unclear whether that’s a long term solution, especially as the supply crunch hits other European countries who will similarly want access to US jet fuel.
Anyway, UK airlines are already preparing flight cancellations. I don’t claim any knowledge of how BA would prioritize routes in the event of a prolonged fuel crisis, but I think it’s reasonable to be anxious that the new StL route would be in peril.
UK is trying to make up the difference with North American refined jet fuel, but it’s unclear whether that’s a long term solution, especially as the supply crunch hits other European countries who will similarly want access to US jet fuel.
Anyway, UK airlines are already preparing flight cancellations. I don’t claim any knowledge of how BA would prioritize routes in the event of a prolonged fuel crisis, but I think it’s reasonable to be anxious that the new StL route would be in peril.
I’d think they would cut out higher frequency local routes first. At least with the flights to North America they can fill up on this end. Stuff in Europe they may have shortages on both sides of the flight.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑2:23 PM - 19 days agoThe final shipment of Middle East jet fuel (upon which the UK is heavily reliant) should hit the UK today.
UK is trying to make up the difference with North American refined jet fuel, but it’s unclear whether that’s a long term solution, especially as the supply crunch hits other European countries who will similarly want access to US jet fuel.
Anyway, UK airlines are already preparing flight cancellations. I don’t claim any knowledge of how BA would prioritize routes in the event of a prolonged fuel crisis, but I think it’s reasonable to be anxious that the new StL route would be in peril.
But it also depends on how well the flight here has sold. If it hasn’t sold well it’s easier to cut.
For what it’s worth, Delta just announced the airline is increasing frequency between Cincinnati-Paris from 3 days/wk to daily flights throughout the summer, and British Airways is increasing flights and capacity on their Cincinnati-London nonstop, from 3 flights/week to 5 flights/week on a larger Boeing 777.
https://hoodline.com/2026/04/cincy-jet- ... rope-game/
How Cincinnati has more international nonstops than St. Louis, I will never understand. Lambert has considerably higher passenger traffic and more domestic nonstops than Cincy, and St. Louis is a larger metro too.
https://hoodline.com/2026/04/cincy-jet- ... rope-game/
How Cincinnati has more international nonstops than St. Louis, I will never understand. Lambert has considerably higher passenger traffic and more domestic nonstops than Cincy, and St. Louis is a larger metro too.
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^At a guess? It's just that little bit closer, and the region is more dense and better connected, so even if the metro is smaller, the catchment area might have more people.
And decades building a local culture of vacationing and doing business around the direct flight to Parissymphonicpoet wrote:^At a guess? It's just that little bit closer, and the region is more dense and better connected, so even if the metro is smaller, the catchment area might have more people.
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Cincy sits at the center of a region with about 8mil people. Stl, 2.8 mil, sits at the center of a region with about 3 mil people.stlgasm wrote: ↑1:13 AM - 19 days agoFor what it’s worth, Delta just announced the airline is increasing frequency between Cincinnati-Paris from 3 days/wk to daily flights throughout the summer, and British Airways is increasing flights and capacity on their Cincinnati-London nonstop, from 3 flights/week to 5 flights/week on a larger Boeing 777.
https://hoodline.com/2026/04/cincy-jet- ... rope-game/
How Cincinnati has more international nonstops than St. Louis, I will never understand. Lambert has considerably higher passenger traffic and more domestic nonstops than Cincy, and St. Louis is a larger metro too.
Pretty sure Paris was daily last summer for them also. That’s leftover from their delta hub days which wound down a lot more recently than ours. They still have a quasi focus city.stlgasm wrote: ↑1:13 AM - 19 days agoFor what it’s worth, Delta just announced the airline is increasing frequency between Cincinnati-Paris from 3 days/wk to daily flights throughout the summer, and British Airways is increasing flights and capacity on their Cincinnati-London nonstop, from 3 flights/week to 5 flights/week on a larger Boeing 777.
https://hoodline.com/2026/04/cincy-jet- ... rope-game/
How Cincinnati has more international nonstops than St. Louis, I will never understand. Lambert has considerably higher passenger traffic and more domestic nonstops than Cincy, and St. Louis is a larger metro too.
BA being 6x a day might be up 1 from last summer.
It’s a 50-60% capacity increase over last summers BA schedulejshank83 wrote:Pretty sure Paris was daily last summer for them also. That’s leftover from their delta hub days which wound down a lot more recently than ours. They still have a quasi focus city.stlgasm wrote: ↑1:13 AM - 19 days agoFor what it’s worth, Delta just announced the airline is increasing frequency between Cincinnati-Paris from 3 days/wk to daily flights throughout the summer, and British Airways is increasing flights and capacity on their Cincinnati-London nonstop, from 3 flights/week to 5 flights/week on a larger Boeing 777.
https://hoodline.com/2026/04/cincy-jet- ... rope-game/
How Cincinnati has more international nonstops than St. Louis, I will never understand. Lambert has considerably higher passenger traffic and more domestic nonstops than Cincy, and St. Louis is a larger metro too.
BA being 6x a day might be up 1 from last summer.
I’d like to see that number verified by someone else than whatever Hoodline is. I’d guess that’s over the winter number.ldai_phs wrote: ↑12:42 PM - 18 days agoIt’s a 50-60% capacity increase over last summers BA schedulejshank83 wrote:Pretty sure Paris was daily last summer for them also. That’s leftover from their delta hub days which wound down a lot more recently than ours. They still have a quasi focus city.stlgasm wrote: ↑1:13 AM - 19 days agoFor what it’s worth, Delta just announced the airline is increasing frequency between Cincinnati-Paris from 3 days/wk to daily flights throughout the summer, and British Airways is increasing flights and capacity on their Cincinnati-London nonstop, from 3 flights/week to 5 flights/week on a larger Boeing 777.
https://hoodline.com/2026/04/cincy-jet- ... rope-game/
How Cincinnati has more international nonstops than St. Louis, I will never understand. Lambert has considerably higher passenger traffic and more domestic nonstops than Cincy, and St. Louis is a larger metro too.
BA being 6x a day might be up 1 from last summer.
I got that number from the JobsOhio announcementjshank83 wrote:I’d like to see that number verified by someone else than whatever Hoodline is. I’d guess that’s over the winter number.ldai_phs wrote: ↑12:42 PM - 18 days agoIt’s a 50-60% capacity increase over last summers BA schedulejshank83 wrote: Pretty sure Paris was daily last summer for them also. That’s leftover from their delta hub days which wound down a lot more recently than ours. They still have a quasi focus city.
BA being 6x a day might be up 1 from last summer.
The 777-200 (235 seats in config they are getting) doesn't have that many more seats than the 787 (204). So even with the added a frequency its not 50%. Last summer was 1020 a week. This year is 1,410. So its more like 38% still a decent amount of gain but not 50%-60%ldai_phs wrote: ↑2:27 PM - 18 days agoI got that number from the JobsOhio announcementjshank83 wrote:I’d like to see that number verified by someone else than whatever Hoodline is. I’d guess that’s over the winter number.ldai_phs wrote: ↑12:42 PM - 18 days agoIt’s a 50-60% capacity increase over last summers BA schedule