Cargo as a secondary revenue stream alongside passengers. The Queen City is home to both DHL's and Amazon Prime's major hubs. British Airways can make a whole lot of additional revenue by picking up some ULDs in Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky and hauling them to Europe.stlgasm wrote: ↑1:13 AM - Apr 04For what it’s worth, Delta just announced the airline is increasing frequency between Cincinnati-Paris from 3 days/wk to daily flights throughout the summer, and British Airways is increasing flights and capacity on their Cincinnati-London nonstop, from 3 flights/week to 5 flights/week on a larger Boeing 777.
https://hoodline.com/2026/04/cincy-jet- ... rope-game/
How Cincinnati has more international nonstops than St. Louis, I will never understand. Lambert has considerably higher passenger traffic and more domestic nonstops than Cincy, and St. Louis is a larger metro too.
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Ran this STL vs CVG thing through Claude. See below. Interesting.
Here's what the data shows for Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG):
The Cincinnati & Northern Kentucky metropolitan area has over 2.1 million people in population, with a workforce of over 1.5 million within a 50-mile radius. Routes
However, CVG's catchment area is notably more complicated than STL's. Research shows that if CVG existed in isolation, it would uniquely serve over 3.75 million people — but in reality, its catchment area overlaps significantly with competing airports. ScienceDirect Cincinnati sits within relatively close reach of Columbus, Dayton, Indianapolis, Louisville, and even Cleveland, all of which pull travelers away.
This regional competition — from itinerary pricing, geographic catchment overlap, and interregional rivalry — was a key factor in CVG's dehubbing, as Delta dramatically reduced its operations there after 2005. ScienceDirect
Compared to Lambert (STL), the contrast is stark:
STL's big advantage is its geographic isolation — no rival major airport anywhere close. CVG is hemmed in by competing airports on multiple sides, which limits its effective catchment despite being in a similarly sized region.
Here's what the data shows for Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG):
The Cincinnati & Northern Kentucky metropolitan area has over 2.1 million people in population, with a workforce of over 1.5 million within a 50-mile radius. Routes
However, CVG's catchment area is notably more complicated than STL's. Research shows that if CVG existed in isolation, it would uniquely serve over 3.75 million people — but in reality, its catchment area overlaps significantly with competing airports. ScienceDirect Cincinnati sits within relatively close reach of Columbus, Dayton, Indianapolis, Louisville, and even Cleveland, all of which pull travelers away.
This regional competition — from itinerary pricing, geographic catchment overlap, and interregional rivalry — was a key factor in CVG's dehubbing, as Delta dramatically reduced its operations there after 2005. ScienceDirect
Compared to Lambert (STL), the contrast is stark:
| STL (Lambert) | CVG (Cincinnati) | |
| Metro population | ~3 million | ~2.1 million |
| Broader catchment | 6+ million (uncontested) | ~3.75 million (contested) |
| Competing airports nearby | None within 4 hrs | Several within 2 hrs |
STL's big advantage is its geographic isolation — no rival major airport anywhere close. CVG is hemmed in by competing airports on multiple sides, which limits its effective catchment despite being in a similarly sized region.
I created a web scraper for Expert Flyer's seat map to count the number of occupied seats for BA and LH through mid-June. A VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: Many airlines, but especially BA, will not assign all passengers a seat until about 24 hours before take off. The BA % could be 10-25% under actual sold. I will do my best to revisit on April 18th to see if more accurate. I sampled CVG and PIT for a two week period in May. PIT and CVG have more seats but STL was similar or higher fill rate for most of the period. STL was stronger in business class specifically in this period.
Take it with a grain of salt.
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Take it with a grain of salt.
Tried my best to made a load factor comparison for the Lufthansa fight since it started. It will be interesting to see how it does with the frequency increase and BA starting
But don't you even ***** ask for even 1/10th of this in St. Louis because we don't deserve it.
Somewhat equivalent to putting a new CONRAC in at the Hanley Metrolink stationdweebe wrote:But don't you even ***** ask for even 1/10th of this in St. Louis because we don't deserve it.
Yes that's what we need, more concrete parking.
This forum is literally a parody.
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So we do not need a consolidated rental facility?StlAlex wrote: ↑5:54 PM - Apr 15Yes that's what we need, more concrete parking.
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Yeah, I didn’t get his comment either. New Lambert needs CONRAC!
If Lambert needs it, then it will be added. If it isn't needed, it won't be added. It's not that hard to understand.
And whatever concrete monstrosity is in LA is absolutely not needed in St. Louis and would just be a blight, just like it and all the other car infrastructure is in LA.
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And whatever concrete monstrosity is in LA is absolutely not needed in St. Louis and would just be a blight, just like it and all the other car infrastructure is in LA.
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Show me where I said St. Louis needs anything even close to LA's scale.StlAlex wrote: ↑7:57 PM - Apr 15If Lambert needs it, then it will be added. If it isn't needed, it won't be added. It's not that hard to understand.
And whatever concrete monstrosity is in LA is absolutely not needed in St. Louis and would just be a blight, just like it and all the other car infrastructure is in LA.
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Are you just trying to sh*t on everything I post?
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I don't understand how 1 CONRAC would be worse than several individual Rental Car surface lots.StlAlex wrote: ↑7:57 PM - Apr 15If Lambert needs it, then it will be added. If it isn't needed, it won't be added. It's not that hard to understand.
And whatever concrete monstrosity is in LA is absolutely not needed in St. Louis and would just be a blight, just like it and all the other car infrastructure is in LA.
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"But don't you even ***** ask for even 1/10th of this in St. Louis because we don't deserve it."dweebe wrote:Show me where I said St. Louis needs anything even close to LA's scale.StlAlex wrote: ↑7:57 PM - Apr 15If Lambert needs it, then it will be added. If it isn't needed, it won't be added. It's not that hard to understand.
And whatever concrete monstrosity is in LA is absolutely not needed in St. Louis and would just be a blight, just like it and all the other car infrastructure is in LA.
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Are you just trying to sh*t on everything I post?
Maybe don't post "don't even ask for 1/10 of [massive concrete monstrosity of car infrastructure that cost $2 billion]"
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Ask the rental car companies lol. They are the ones not demanding it.Bart Harley Jarvis wrote:I don't understand how 1 CONRAC would be worse than several individual Rental Car surface lots.StlAlex wrote: ↑7:57 PM - Apr 15If Lambert needs it, then it will be added. If it isn't needed, it won't be added. It's not that hard to understand.
And whatever concrete monstrosity is in LA is absolutely not needed in St. Louis and would just be a blight, just like it and all the other car infrastructure is in LA.
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I hate to get involved in this but Greater STL hired a Southwest executive to facilitate the consolidated rental car facility. Negotiations with rental car companies are underway. STL will have a consolidated rental car facility.
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totally - Africa!Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑12:46 PM - Apr 16Also, a bit racist to just lump in the whole continent with no specificity - seems very 1900's
Made worse by jshanks point, it’s very uncommon. Meaning if someone’s talking “Africa” there are maybe two destinations. Just say the destinations.
I really wish the design/planning team would at least release an updated diagram or massing so that news articles and thumbnails will stop using that lackluster concept render from the many years old study.