Africa as whole has very limited flight to anywhere in the US, Canada or Latin America. I see zero racism in highlighting the likely minimum demand for the whole continent. I agree with the comment, we can't call everything racistBart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑12:46 PM - Apr 16Also, a bit racist to just lump in the whole continent with no specificity - seems very 1900's
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Even Chicago only has one non stop from ORD to Addis Ababa.Rick Prieto wrote: ↑4:46 PM - Apr 16Africa as whole has very limited flight to anywhere in the US, Canada or Latin America. I see zero racism in highlighting the likely minimum demand for the whole continent. I agree with the comment, we can't call everything racist
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In a vacuum, sure.Rick Prieto wrote: ↑4:46 PM - Apr 16Africa as whole has very limited flight to anywhere in the US, Canada or Latin America. I see zero racism in highlighting the likely minimum demand for the whole continent. I agree with the comment, we can't call everything racist
But the time was taken to single out a specific city in a new country on a new continent in Rio de Janeiro, but then lumped the entirety of the continent of Africa as one destination. It implies a homogeny to the entire place which doesn't exist.
It's also different than suggesting somewhere is trying to attract a "European" destination, as many points of Europe are easily accessible from many other points in Europe.
In the same way that we typically classify a black person as African-American and then tell people we're 1/2 Irish, 1/4 German, 1/8 Swedish and 1/8 Italian instead of saying European-American.
No one would accept the entirety of South America or Asia being highlighted, there's no reason to accept the entirety of Africa being highlighted.
They probably just did it because of some long shot talks that will almost certainly not pan out, but they wanted to appear to be shooting for the moon, and in doing so, they contributed to a long standing wrong of consolidating the entirety of Africa as one homogeneous entity.
It's not a big deal, but it does indicate that they do not see Africa in equal standing as a continent with tons of different cultures and nationalities as they do South America, Europe, etc.
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They probably just did it because of some long shot talks that will almost certainly not pan out, but they wanted to appear to be shooting for the moon, and in doing so, they contributed to a long standing wrong of consolidating the entirety of Africa as one homogeneous entity.
It's not a big deal, but it does indicate that they do not see Africa in equal standing as a continent with tons of different cultures and nationalities as they do South America, Europe, etc.
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This is the dumbest conversation I have ever heard.
Saying "we would like an international flight to Africa" is not racist.
Saying "we would like an international flight to Africa" is not racist.
It's extremely common for Americans to generalize all of Africa as one entity and is an extremely common racist trope. It's jarring to see Vancouver, Dublin, and Rio specifically targeted and then the entire continent of Africa. It was just a stupid thing for them to do in the first place and it's not stupid to call them out on stupidity that happens to be racist, whether it was intentional or not.mjbais1489 wrote:This is the dumbest conversation I have ever heard.
Saying "we would like an international flight to Africa" is not racist.
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It 100% is, when it's next to a list of Vancouver, Dublin & Rio de Janeiro. The map wasn't a wish list of flights to North America, South America & Europe (or even Canada, Brazil & Ireland)mjbais1489 wrote: ↑6:44 PM - Apr 16This is the dumbest conversation I have ever heard.
Saying "we would like an international flight to Africa" is not racist.
Let's rest on the international and support STL<>LHR strongly.
I can't imagine though the hissy fit KCRag.com and Kansas City would have if we got a third overseas international here.
I can't imagine though the hissy fit KCRag.com and Kansas City would have if we got a third overseas international here.
Reviewing seat maps for next week, St. Louis will send 7 flights to Europe at least 90% full. Business on both routes will likely be sold out, just a few seats remaining. St. Louis is sending ~250 business class seats to Europe in one week is impressive. To think it'll go higher once LH increases to 5x. I worry Donny's Economy is about to help STL find a roof though. 
My assumption is those 3 cities have been called out multiple times in the media so they are pretty established as targets. And then someone somewhere made some comment about a flight to Africa in general and it got picked up. I can see it being a case where someone would like a flight to anywhere in Africa and not focused specific city just to make it easier to get anywhere in Africa logistically from here. Similar to how we originally wanted a flight to anywhere in Europe to make it easier logistically. We weren’t being picky on where the flight went to. I’d also guess those 3 cities called out are much closer to happening than Africa ever will be, so at this point they are talking specifically with those cities while the Africa search is still very broad.Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑7:33 PM - Apr 16It 100% is, when it's next to a list of Vancouver, Dublin & Rio de Janeiro. The map wasn't a wish list of flights to North America, South America & Europe (or even Canada, Brazil & Ireland)mjbais1489 wrote: ↑6:44 PM - Apr 16This is the dumbest conversation I have ever heard.
Saying "we would like an international flight to Africa" is not racist.
I threw a query into the AI slop machine and got this back
U.S. Cities with Nonstop Flights to Africa
• New York (JFK)
o Casablanca, Morocco: Royal Air Maroc
o Cairo, Egypt: EgyptAir
o Nairobi, Kenya: Kenya Airways
o Johannesburg, South Africa: South African Airways, Delta
o Lagos, Nigeria: Delta
o Accra, Ghana: Delta
o Dakar, Senegal: Delta (seasonal)
• Newark (EWR)
o Johannesburg & Cape Town, South Africa: United Airlines
o Marrakech, Morocco: United Airlines
• Washington, D.C. (IAD)
o Addis Ababa, Ethiopia: Ethiopian Airlines
o Cape Town, South Africa: United Airlines
o Accra, Ghana & Lagos, Nigeria: United Airlines
o Cairo, Egypt: EgyptAir
o Dakar, Senegal: Air Senegal or United
• Atlanta (ATL)
o Johannesburg & Cape Town, South Africa: Delta
o Lagos, Nigeria: Delta
o Accra, Ghana: Delta
o Marrakech, Morocco: Delta (launched late 2025)
• Chicago (ORD)
o Addis Ababa, Ethiopia: Ethiopian Airlines
o Cairo, Egypt: EgyptAir (planned/scheduled for 2026)
• Los Angeles (LAX)
o Casablanca, Morocco: Royal Air Maroc (starting June 2026)
o Cairo, Egypt: EgyptAir (expected/planned starting May 2026)
• Miami (MIA)
o Casablanca via Royal Air Maroc
• Boston (BOS)
o Casablanca via Royal Air Maroc (planned starting May 2026)
Kind of surprised Dallas or Houston doesn't have one.
The folks at Lambert can swing for the fences and go ask the model sitting at the bar for her number: but St. Louis getting a flight to Africa would seem out of place next to the cities listed.
U.S. Cities with Nonstop Flights to Africa
• New York (JFK)
o Casablanca, Morocco: Royal Air Maroc
o Cairo, Egypt: EgyptAir
o Nairobi, Kenya: Kenya Airways
o Johannesburg, South Africa: South African Airways, Delta
o Lagos, Nigeria: Delta
o Accra, Ghana: Delta
o Dakar, Senegal: Delta (seasonal)
• Newark (EWR)
o Johannesburg & Cape Town, South Africa: United Airlines
o Marrakech, Morocco: United Airlines
• Washington, D.C. (IAD)
o Addis Ababa, Ethiopia: Ethiopian Airlines
o Cape Town, South Africa: United Airlines
o Accra, Ghana & Lagos, Nigeria: United Airlines
o Cairo, Egypt: EgyptAir
o Dakar, Senegal: Air Senegal or United
• Atlanta (ATL)
o Johannesburg & Cape Town, South Africa: Delta
o Lagos, Nigeria: Delta
o Accra, Ghana: Delta
o Marrakech, Morocco: Delta (launched late 2025)
• Chicago (ORD)
o Addis Ababa, Ethiopia: Ethiopian Airlines
o Cairo, Egypt: EgyptAir (planned/scheduled for 2026)
• Los Angeles (LAX)
o Casablanca, Morocco: Royal Air Maroc (starting June 2026)
o Cairo, Egypt: EgyptAir (expected/planned starting May 2026)
• Miami (MIA)
o Casablanca via Royal Air Maroc
• Boston (BOS)
o Casablanca via Royal Air Maroc (planned starting May 2026)
Kind of surprised Dallas or Houston doesn't have one.
The folks at Lambert can swing for the fences and go ask the model sitting at the bar for her number: but St. Louis getting a flight to Africa would seem out of place next to the cities listed.
Seattle to Cancun? What's that, like 6, 6 1/2 hours on a 737? Ickaddxb2 wrote: ↑1:30 PM - Apr 17
Not as bad as ATL to Anchoragedweebe wrote:Seattle to Cancun? What's that, like 6, 6 1/2 hours on a 737? Ickaddxb2 wrote: ↑1:30 PM - Apr 17
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Associated Press: Federal officials order flight cuts at Chicago O’Hare to reduce airport delays
Good time to remind the majors that we have a mid-continent airport with excess capacities.About 300 flights per day must be cut from the schedule at Chicago O’Hare International Airport on the busiest days this summer in an effort to reduce flight delays, federal officials announced Thursday.
“If you book a ticket, we want you and your family to have the certainty that you’ll fly without endless delays and cancellations,” Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said in a statement.
O’Hare has the most number of flights of any U.S. airport, and it already had one of the worst records for flight delays nationwide last year.
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And in a Red State - that matters probably more than it should.gone corporate wrote: ↑3:03 PM - Apr 17Associated Press: Federal officials order flight cuts at Chicago O’Hare to reduce airport delays
Good time to remind the majors that we have a mid-continent airport with excess capacities.About 300 flights per day must be cut from the schedule at Chicago O’Hare International Airport on the busiest days this summer in an effort to reduce flight delays, federal officials announced Thursday.
“If you book a ticket, we want you and your family to have the certainty that you’ll fly without endless delays and cancellations,” Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said in a statement.
O’Hare has the most number of flights of any U.S. airport, and it already had one of the worst records for flight delays nationwide last year.
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I don't know about a direct flight, but we can now connect to Kigali, Rwanda with service to London.
https://www.biostl.org/news-and-media/home/the-emerging-economic-partnership-between-st-louis-and-rwanda
https://www.biostl.org/news-and-media/home/the-emerging-economic-partnership-between-st-louis-and-rwanda
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STL relations with Rwanda have definitely been on the rise recently. Would gladly see more visitors between our countries. No fears over no African cities being named in that news report. I don't think most Americans could readily identify Lagos, let alone Accra or Maputo. We're also really not positioned well geographically for direct flights to Johannesburg or Cape Town. Otherwise, there's Cairo that people would know, and most consider that Middle East more than they think if African. I wouldn't think it's anything pejorative not naming a city as much as it is reflective of American global geographic understandings.
Will be flying Sunday on the BA flight to London from STL. Looking forward to it. We love Lufthansa nonstop to FRA and fly that 3 to 4 times a year to EU.
I have a feeling BA will expand this service to year round like LH. If they don't and keep it seasonal, another EU airline (3rd) will add STL as well (just a hunch) given almost 1000 people a day flying to EU and beyond from STL and flights at 90% on LH nearly year round.
Good article about BA service beginning in 2 days...
https://simpleflying.com/in-2-days-brit ... te/#thread
I have a feeling BA will expand this service to year round like LH. If they don't and keep it seasonal, another EU airline (3rd) will add STL as well (just a hunch) given almost 1000 people a day flying to EU and beyond from STL and flights at 90% on LH nearly year round.
Good article about BA service beginning in 2 days...
https://simpleflying.com/in-2-days-brit ... te/#thread
British Airways locked loaded.
Busy day in T2 International Center with Caribbean, Mexico, Germany, and UK flights all coming in/out.
Busy day in T2 International Center with Caribbean, Mexico, Germany, and UK flights all coming in/out.
They now have British Airways arrival/ departures at E29. They shifted Lufthansa arrival/departures to E31. For now One World and Star Alliance will both use Wingtips Lounge across from both gates.
Southwest International arrivals will use both if needed.
Southwest International arrivals will use both if needed.
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LH still is going into 29. Putting it at 31 would block 3 gates instead of 2.matguy70 wrote: ↑9:49 AM - Apr 19They now have British Airways arrival/ departures at E29. They shifted Lufthansa arrival/departures to E31. For now One World and Star Alliance will both use Wingtips Lounge across from both gates.
Southwest International arrivals will use both if needed.
BA listed the Admirals lounge as their lounge. Are you sure they are using wingtips?
The Wingtips sign said Welcoming Lufthansa Star Alliance and British Airways OneWorld Guests. But they would have access, I am imaging, to the Admirals Club in Terminal 1 C Concourse as well... especially if they are connecting on an American Flight.
As for the gate assignments... They moved the Lufthansa signage and baggage displays to E31 and BA had theirs at E29. However, they connect in the secured glass customs gate areas as well. They also moved the international flags around and opened the larger stairways into Customs and Immigration.
If you look at the gate area photos above and zoom in, you will see the gate interior secured door #s and the glass connecting wall between the two and the flags for corresponding countries.
As for the gate assignments... They moved the Lufthansa signage and baggage displays to E31 and BA had theirs at E29. However, they connect in the secured glass customs gate areas as well. They also moved the international flags around and opened the larger stairways into Customs and Immigration.
If you look at the gate area photos above and zoom in, you will see the gate interior secured door #s and the glass connecting wall between the two and the flags for corresponding countries.
