June is here!!! Is it Airport renderings time? lol 
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Regarding lounges, I'd be hopeful for multiple site opportunities with new construction, as they're a non-aeronautical revenue generator for airports. Plus, STL can better position itself as a layover hub rather than just end-destination traveler airport, that airline lounges can definitely increase our attractiveness for establishing more midcontinent flights. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what to truly expect (Delta, AA, etc.), but I bet there'll be room for multiple lounges to be built. Good times.
^ Realistically the layover opportunity is Southwest Airlines. I can see some with code share/alliance and some of the international flights but that has to be very limited by just shear count
Logistically, it makes sense with international gates. It will depend, of course, on how many are added, but I could see a scenario where the sterile corridors for international traffic could be raised above the main departure level of the concourse. That extra height would allow for club suites, etc. Otherwise your squeezing them between the headhouse and the concourse.
This. How many months can I be behind on a project as impactful as this before I get canned or the budget gets pulled?
As for me... i want to get in/out and more recently it seems ñike the airlines are also making schedules to get passengers in/out of their hubs asap. Traveling all over the world and I only used 2 lounges (or ever *needed* to) Iberia in Madrid and Wingtips in STL for Lufthansa. Iberia lounge was huge but we didn't have much time. Wingtips is "ok" and is always busy. Has anyone used the American's Admiral Lounge Councourse C in STL? Looks fairly large by photos.
The Bosnia and Herzegovina national soccer team officially arrived in St. Louis, Missouri. The squad flew into St. Louis Lambert International Airport via a Lufthansa flight (Flight LH448 connecting from Frankfurt) to prepare for their upcoming FIFA World Cup-related matches.The team is in town for a six-day training camp and an international friendly match against Panama, scheduled for Saturday, June 6. The training will take place at the Washington University Performance Center, with the match being hosted at Energizer Park. Because St. Louis is home to the largest Bosnian population outside of Europe, their arrival has sparked significant excitement in the local community.
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I have. It's pretty small next to most of the other lounges I've used, but it's more than adequate for the traffic I've seen there. I believe at one time there was space both on the concourse level and in the area above it, but now everything except the reception area on the concourse level is closed. You go through a fairly typical reception area and then either up a rather elegant curved staircase or an elevator to the club level, which is essentially a single long, but rather narrow space now. It's nice enough. Some of the woodwork looks a bit dated, but the food is fine, the furniture is comfortable, and the staff is professional.matguy70 wrote: ↑4:34 AM - 20 days agoAs for me... i want to get in/out and more recently it seems ñike the airlines are also making schedules to get passengers in/out of their hubs asap. Traveling all over the world and I only used 2 lounges (or ever *needed* to) Iberia in Madrid and Wingtips in STL for Lufthansa. Iberia lounge was huge but we didn't have much time. Wingtips is "ok" and is always busy. Has anyone used the American's Admiral Lounge Councourse C in STL? Looks fairly large by photos.
I believe it's actually where they filmed much of Up in the Air, but it looks rather different now. The big glass screen with the final TWA globe logo you can see in the movie seems to be gone. I assume AA removed it in the last remodel a few years ago. All that said, it's perfectly adequate. Not fancy, but comfortable enough. And even quite fancy lounges can be less pleasant if they're overcrowded (AA Flagship Philadelphia) or if the furniture in the quiet area isn't comfortable for catching a nap (JAL Sakura Tokyo Haneda. Which is generally a very nice lounge, honestly, they just need some better chaise lounges or recliners of some kind. I suppose I could have napped on one of the couches in the sort of library area, but that didn't feel quite polite.)
Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much. I expect there will be lounges and that they will have the capacity to add more if necessary. HOK knows their airport planning. This may not be the splashiest and dashiest airport ever, but it will be clean, functional, and most importantly, expandable.
Re: lounges, for comparison's sake, the new KC terminal has two lounges- Delta Skyclub and an Escape Lounge that accepts Priority Pass (like the STL Wingtips).
The Delta lounge has been very favorably reviewed as the nicest small lounge in Delta's network: https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-sky ... nsas-city/
I've been in the MCI Escape Lounge and it's a nice place to kill time and get some coffee or a drink. Taj Mahal compared to Wingtips: https://escapelounges.com/us/airport-lo ... nsas-city/
I'd expect something like Escape or "The Club" that you find in non-hubs (e.g., https://flymsy.com/club-msy-renovation/). Then an Admirals and a Delta or United club.
The Delta lounge has been very favorably reviewed as the nicest small lounge in Delta's network: https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-sky ... nsas-city/
I've been in the MCI Escape Lounge and it's a nice place to kill time and get some coffee or a drink. Taj Mahal compared to Wingtips: https://escapelounges.com/us/airport-lo ... nsas-city/
I'd expect something like Escape or "The Club" that you find in non-hubs (e.g., https://flymsy.com/club-msy-renovation/). Then an Admirals and a Delta or United club.
Panama’s soccer team flew in tonight on a Copa charter. Would love to see Copa here regularly.
Customs numbers May
Combined both ways
British London 95.89% - (21.4% foreign)
Lufthansa Frankfurt 91.31% - Outbound 97.4% - (28.6% foreign)
Montreal 61.73% - 78.68% outbound
Toronto 56.67%
I'll be curious if they keep rolling out A220s on the Air Canada next year.
Combined both ways
British London 95.89% - (21.4% foreign)
Lufthansa Frankfurt 91.31% - Outbound 97.4% - (28.6% foreign)
Montreal 61.73% - 78.68% outbound
Toronto 56.67%
I'll be curious if they keep rolling out A220s on the Air Canada next year.
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Southwest Airlines has officially launched a new interline partnership with Singapore Airlines, allowing travelers to book single-ticket journeys connecting Southwest's US network with Singapore Airlines' global network.
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A lot of crane applications related to airport project and also Boeing over at FAA website
Southwest needs to get on the ball to be able to sell these tickets themselves. Until then it is hard for me to get excited about these partnerships.chris fuller wrote: ↑12:16 AM - 14 days agoSouthwest Airlines has officially launched a new interline partnership with Singapore Airlines, allowing travelers to book single-ticket journeys connecting Southwest's US network with Singapore Airlines' global network.
Yes! I have not enjoyed their approach to airline partnerships thus far. Not just because the St. Louis network doesn’t benefit from partnerships with Asian airlines. They’ve been poorly marketed and don’t really include any actual investment.
I like Iceland Air, EVA Air, and Condor. I’d like to see Porter (via MDW), Copa (via MCO), TAP.
I like Iceland Air, EVA Air, and Condor. I’d like to see Porter (via MDW), Copa (via MCO), TAP.
I would not be surprised to see TAP added fairly soon. You won't see Porter or Copa. Those aren't allowed under the pilot contract. Partners in the Americas basically aren't allowed except for inter hawaii, inter alaska and I think there is some inter carribean island flying partners also allowed.addxb2 wrote: ↑2:59 AM - 13 days agoYes! I have not enjoyed their approach to airline partnerships thus far. Not just because the St. Louis network doesn’t benefit from partnerships with Asian airlines. They’ve been poorly marketed and don’t really include any actual investment.
I like Iceland Air, EVA Air, and Condor. I’d like to see Porter (via MDW), Copa (via MCO), TAP.
But yes, until I can use or earn WN points on flights or one of the partnerships helps us get a flight, it is all kind of whatever to me. Really Iceland air is the only one so far that the feed helps us, and I don't know how excited it really would get me. If they could get Aer Lingus on board that would be nice, but I am not sure I see IAG doing that.
Listened to Rhonda speak at the City Employees Retirement meeting (state of the union) this week.
A few things she elaborated on were:
1) The new airport terminal progress and plans to be announced soon by HOK. She said contrary to rumors, HOK is designing a world-class airport for the region and their home city.
2) British Airways and Luthansa flights are running solid at 90 percent or above. Even with Lufthansa's additional weekly flights added in June, their response is above and beyond positive. She also explained further that BA was waiting to get STL in line for a gate/space opening at Heathrow for a couple years. STL took BA's Johannesburg 787 gate. BA upgraded that route last winter to th A380. Rhonda said that BA wants to serve STL year round and may announce that service as soon as this summer. She said that they are vying at Heathrow to keep the gate/space for STL. Right now Heathrow had a serious space issue and until expansion is done, the airlines are locked in. Even though they want more space, BA, Virgin and Iberia are all against the newst expansion plans because they say it will triple passenger costs. Gatwick is not an option for BA right now either, as the airport is already limiting space for BA at the furthest gates that have to use long distance bus connections and are not timely for air connections.
3) She talked about how the STL air traffic control tower and how it also is centrally located in the airport surrounds and is playing a strong role with uniformed and explansion operations. Most airports towers have been sidelined when building new terminals but that plays a significant role in limiting operations and safety. I didn't quite get all of the dialogue on this.
4) Not only Lufthansa and British Airways, two international carriers, added service to STL, it is now more than ever that STL gets onboard with building the new airport as quickly as possible with the dedicated international arrivals hall and easier connections to airline code shares and secure shared TSA areas.
5) On the short list, STL has interest from Iberia but did not elaborate.
6) We need to keep Southwest focused on their operations and "hub" connections in STL. The long connection walks in T2 one sided terminal are a concern. Additional gates now will only cause longer connections. This is an immediate thing STL and SWA are working together on in the current state of T2 and the possibility of moving Southwest into the new terminal first before others will satisfy the growth of their hub operations in STL relieving the stress on their operations anf continuing their growth here. It is a major push for them. She said that BNA has "relieved" some of this connection timing, but they (BNA) would love to expand more SWA as well. So the quicker they can move SWA into the new terminal the better.
7) When asked about the new terminal being so long, her response was that the terminal will be a "mega-terminal" and one of the longest concourses of size in the domestic USA. That being said, airlines will.be hubbed together on double sided gates and connected with continuous moving walkways, some possibly on an extra level to bypass gates to baggage, parking, and ground transportation.
A few things she elaborated on were:
1) The new airport terminal progress and plans to be announced soon by HOK. She said contrary to rumors, HOK is designing a world-class airport for the region and their home city.
2) British Airways and Luthansa flights are running solid at 90 percent or above. Even with Lufthansa's additional weekly flights added in June, their response is above and beyond positive. She also explained further that BA was waiting to get STL in line for a gate/space opening at Heathrow for a couple years. STL took BA's Johannesburg 787 gate. BA upgraded that route last winter to th A380. Rhonda said that BA wants to serve STL year round and may announce that service as soon as this summer. She said that they are vying at Heathrow to keep the gate/space for STL. Right now Heathrow had a serious space issue and until expansion is done, the airlines are locked in. Even though they want more space, BA, Virgin and Iberia are all against the newst expansion plans because they say it will triple passenger costs. Gatwick is not an option for BA right now either, as the airport is already limiting space for BA at the furthest gates that have to use long distance bus connections and are not timely for air connections.
3) She talked about how the STL air traffic control tower and how it also is centrally located in the airport surrounds and is playing a strong role with uniformed and explansion operations. Most airports towers have been sidelined when building new terminals but that plays a significant role in limiting operations and safety. I didn't quite get all of the dialogue on this.
4) Not only Lufthansa and British Airways, two international carriers, added service to STL, it is now more than ever that STL gets onboard with building the new airport as quickly as possible with the dedicated international arrivals hall and easier connections to airline code shares and secure shared TSA areas.
5) On the short list, STL has interest from Iberia but did not elaborate.
6) We need to keep Southwest focused on their operations and "hub" connections in STL. The long connection walks in T2 one sided terminal are a concern. Additional gates now will only cause longer connections. This is an immediate thing STL and SWA are working together on in the current state of T2 and the possibility of moving Southwest into the new terminal first before others will satisfy the growth of their hub operations in STL relieving the stress on their operations anf continuing their growth here. It is a major push for them. She said that BNA has "relieved" some of this connection timing, but they (BNA) would love to expand more SWA as well. So the quicker they can move SWA into the new terminal the better.
7) When asked about the new terminal being so long, her response was that the terminal will be a "mega-terminal" and one of the longest concourses of size in the domestic USA. That being said, airlines will.be hubbed together on double sided gates and connected with continuous moving walkways, some possibly on an extra level to bypass gates to baggage, parking, and ground transportation.
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Thanks for sharing! Lots of great info. Would love to see a third international carrier! I will be in Spain in 3 weeks.matguy70 wrote: ↑5:52 AM - 3 days agoListened to Rhonda speak at the City Employees Retirement meeting (state of the union) this week.
A few things she elaborated on were:
1) The new airport terminal progress and plans to be announced soon by HOK. She said contrary to rumors, HOK is designing a world-class airport for the region and their home city.
2) British Airways and Luthansa flights are running solid at 90 percent or above. Even with Lufthansa's additional weekly flights added in June, their response is above and beyond positive. She also explained further that BA was waiting to get STL in line for a gate/space opening at Heathrow for a couple years. STL took BA's Johannesburg 787 gate. BA upgraded that route last winter to th A380. Rhonda said that BA wants to serve STL year round and may announce that service as soon as this summer. She said that they are vying at Heathrow to keep the gate/space for STL. Right now Heathrow had a serious space issue and until expansion is done, the airlines are locked in. Even though they want more space, BA, Virgin and Iberia are all against the newst expansion plans because they say it will triple passenger costs. Gatwick is not an option for BA right now either, as the airport is already limiting space for BA at the furthest gates that have to use long distance bus connections and are not timely for air connections.
3) She talked about how the STL air traffic control tower and how it also is centrally located in the airport surrounds and is playing a strong role with uniformed and explansion operations. Most airports towers have been sidelined when building new terminals but that plays a significant role in limiting operations and safety. I didn't quite get all of the dialogue on this.
4) Not only Lufthansa and British Airways, two international carriers, added service to STL, it is now more than ever that STL gets onboard with building the new airport as quickly as possible with the dedicated international arrivals hall and easier connections to airline code shares and secure shared TSA areas.
5) On the short list, STL has interest from Iberia but did not elaborate.
6) We need to keep Southwest focused on their operations and "hub" connections in STL. The long connection walks in T2 one sided terminal are a concern. Additional gates now will only cause longer connections. This is an immediate thing STL and SWA are working together on in the current state of T2 and the possibility of moving Southwest into the new terminal first before others will satisfy the growth of their hub operations in STL relieving the stress on their operations anf continuing their growth here. It is a major push for them. She said that BNA has "relieved" some of this connection timing, but they (BNA) would love to expand more SWA as well. So the quicker they can move SWA into the new terminal the better.
7) When asked about the new terminal being so long, her response was that the terminal will be a "mega-terminal" and one of the longest concourses of size in the domestic USA. That being said, airlines will.be hubbed together on double sided gates and connected with continuous moving walkways, some possibly on an extra level to bypass gates to baggage, parking, and ground transportation.
x2, thanks for posting. Regarding:
I'm all for this, we should do whatever it takes to help them grow their connecting traffic including moving them into the new terminal first and giving them their choice of gates.the possibility of moving Southwest into the new terminal first before others will satisfy the growth of their hub operations in STL
matguy70 wrote: ↑5:52 AM - 3 days agoListened to Rhonda speak at the City Employees Retirement meeting (state of the union) this week.
A few things she elaborated on were:
1) The new airport terminal progress and plans to be announced soon by HOK. She said contrary to rumors, HOK is designing a world-class airport for the region and their home city.
2) British Airways and Luthansa flights are running solid at 90 percent or above. Even with Lufthansa's additional weekly flights added in June, their response is above and beyond positive. She also explained further that BA was waiting to get STL in line for a gate/space opening at Heathrow for a couple years. STL took BA's Johannesburg 787 gate. BA upgraded that route last winter to th A380. Rhonda said that BA wants to serve STL year round and may announce that service as soon as this summer. She said that they are vying at Heathrow to keep the gate/space for STL. Right now Heathrow had a serious space issue and until expansion is done, the airlines are locked in. Even though they want more space, BA, Virgin and Iberia are all against the newst expansion plans because they say it will triple passenger costs. Gatwick is not an option for BA right now either, as the airport is already limiting space for BA at the furthest gates that have to use long distance bus connections and are not timely for air connections.
3) She talked about how the STL air traffic control tower and how it also is centrally located in the airport surrounds and is playing a strong role with uniformed and explansion operations. Most airports towers have been sidelined when building new terminals but that plays a significant role in limiting operations and safety. I didn't quite get all of the dialogue on this.
4) Not only Lufthansa and British Airways, two international carriers, added service to STL, it is now more than ever that STL gets onboard with building the new airport as quickly as possible with the dedicated international arrivals hall and easier connections to airline code shares and secure shared TSA areas.
5) On the short list, STL has interest from Iberia but did not elaborate.
6) We need to keep Southwest focused on their operations and "hub" connections in STL. The long connection walks in T2 one sided terminal are a concern. Additional gates now will only cause longer connections. This is an immediate thing STL and SWA are working together on in the current state of T2 and the possibility of moving Southwest into the new terminal first before others will satisfy the growth of their hub operations in STL relieving the stress on their operations anf continuing their growth here. It is a major push for them. She said that BNA has "relieved" some of this connection timing, but they (BNA) would love to expand more SWA as well. So the quicker they can move SWA into the new terminal the better.
7) When asked about the new terminal being so long, her response was that the terminal will be a "mega-terminal" and one of the longest concourses of size in the domestic USA. That being said, airlines will.be hubbed together on double sided gates and connected with continuous moving walkways, some possibly on an extra level to bypass gates to baggage, parking, and ground transportation.
Great info thanks for posting.
I’d recently heard Southwest was balking a bit at the overall price tag and the difference between making us a base or not a base is going to come down to their costs based on the new terminal. But if they are pushing to be first in that probably is a good sign. If they weren’t going to base I wouldn’t think they would push to be first in.
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On the idea of moving sidewalks on a different level for arriving local passengers going to baggage claim, I always thought it would be be cool if halfway down a jetway, the jetway could fork to 2 different levels - one going to departing/changing planes level, and one to local arriving baggage claim level with no security. It would de-crowd the departing level, and families could meet their party at the local arriving gate again like in the old days.
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Lots of good information but almost the best is mention of HOKs hometown. Very fortunate to have one of the best airport designers in the world and if they view this project as a must deliver hometown project, I’m not worried anymore.